Saturday, December 22, 2018

The Hebrew Heart

I don't remember why exactly, but I think it was dealing with the thought of another year as a single messianic person that prompted me to look for and join and Messianic singles group on facebook. It's hard being a single person of faith, looking for compatibility in someone that says that they believe the same things that you do, but how much of that do they actually walk out? I mean, for me in the Christian church I have a hard enough time just making friends with other believers when I tell them why I believe what I believe from the SAME BOOK WE BOTH HOLD TO. I joined a facebook group looking mostly for other people that know the struggle of being Messianic and scattered around and the problems that we face. What I found for a while there were friends.

I thought that I had a good repertoire with other members, so far that I and a few other people were very active. We would laugh and play off of each others jokes and there are some relationships that I hold now as being like family to me. I helped several people find people that they married from that group. I respected one of the admins that would instigate challenges to people that were weirdos in order to "weed 'em out" as we called it. She's challenge them knowing that they'd react in a certain way, get huffed up and leave. I should in hindsight have seen that coming. It wasn't until I was in the group for some time that I learned that the founding member was a self professed dream interpreter running a "ministry" where he was asking people for money to tell them "what God was saying" in their dreams. I sat on that a little while because I didn't know if he was telling the truth or not. He wasn't. After a few of his "interpretations"  I told him outright that what he was telling me on my dreams weren't correct. I was just one witness though, what could I do with that. I was at a point where I was coming out of a structure where I had experienced severe narcissism and spiritual abuse from my former church environment and  I was working on healing up from that. I turned to a lot of these people for strength and support, after all they called themselves a ministry at the time.

I'm writing this out for a reason, I'm holding hurt and bitterness in my heart against them. I see them as scam artists and I see people that defend their behavior. Don't get me wrong, I don't deny that when someone posted something in one of the groups that was unbiblical, I'd come barking at it like a junkyard dog... people did not like the site of that, made them really uncomfortable. I don't deny that I have my own set of shortcomings. One thing I always try to do in contrast however, is I try to always take responsibility for my stuff. Some of these folks were well intentioned but mislead, but others seemed more predatory in the sense that they wanted to figure out a way to get money out of the people. You wouldn't stay in a church where a pastor got up and started telling you the message that he got from consulting a medium. You'd rebuke him and leave. Yet here was this group with a false prophet for a founder and woman that would tell me that my unbelieving sister that rejected the Messiah and ignored torah and that was hostile to God her whole life... was saved because she was just deceived by some spirits. I've got mixed emotions here because they were my friends in a hard time, but they were trying to feed me stuff that was staunchly unbiblical. I rejected it.


The group eventually made me an admin knowing that I'm a fighter and a warrior and everything that I have always been. In fact, when there was a dispute between this group and one of their old mens group cohorts, They advised me to make my own mens group and that group would take the place of the other one. They know I'm a Benjamite warrior, because they endorsed it when it was advantageous to their cause. They made me an admin and the group rules expressly stated that if ANYONE has and ISSUE WITH SOMEONE ELSE they were to FIRST go to THAT PERSON. They claimed that a bunch of people left the group, and that they went to them and found that they all said they left the group because of me. NONE of those people had come to me in accordance with group rules. Yet, here was was in a time where I was emotional and dealing with family stuff, getting kicked out of this group that had felt like a family to me , who went looking for people that would not confront me to my face and they listened to their gossips. Thats what it is when someone is too much of a coward to say something to your face. Its cowardice. The only thing that I hate more than cowardice is lies. They lied too. They decided that since I had disagreed with the main "leadership" woman about radically feminizing the group and barring certain people from 18-21 from the group then I was too warrior like and I had to be removed as admin. In the huff false prophet guy suggested that I make my own group, not realizing that I probably would, even though it took a little convincing from a friend of mine. Thats when they started saying that they kicked me out of the group for rebellion and telling people that I was creating division. I hadn't at that point, but as my bitterness grew for people that I had cared so much about that stabbed me in the heart in a really low point in my life... I started messing with them. I'm not going to lie, as the new group increased in numbers we did some pranks like posting the link to the new group in their old group, and that was funny... but it wasn't right. I take responsability for that. It wasn't like I hated them either, because when coward lady from the old group was allegedly living with a guy she was about to rush into marriage with and then called it off like, the day before the wedding... I reached out to her. not in some smarmy way, not in some ha ha at your misfortion way, not to kick her while she was down but to throw what little spark of light and hope I could in her dark time. Thats where we differed. In my dark time she kicked me, in her dark time I tried to offer some hope. She went after me in secret, and every time I went after her it was public. When her mom died I reach out to her again to offer my sympathies. I cared about that cowardly lady. I wish she wasn't a coward. The entire time she was hurting me I kept thinking that I know she's stronger than the cowardly stuff she was doing that was hurting me. I don't know. Maybe I'm like one of those people that'll get stabbed and think that the person isn't really going to stab me while they keep stabbing me... what are they called? Idiots?

I need to forgive them for the betrayal. It came up recently that one of the people I know is such great friends with them and ignores all of that stuff about them. IT made me extra suspicious. especially when things in that persons story weren't' adding up. Telling me things that I know aren't the case. Saying that she really likes things that are dark and twisty and then cowering when direct questions are asked about why her story is contradictory? I shouldn't have junkyarded, but it smelled like them. It smelled like their finger prints, and it smelled like my blood. I didn't even mention the little neckbeared hitjob they sent after me once the group split. Little Irish false prophet guy who's dad is on the run who kept prophesying that his dad was going to turn himself in by the end of the weekend, who's dad did not turn himself in by the end of the weekend... spoke presumptuously in the name of God.  I didn't menitoned the other guy that I haven't done anything to who still wont tell me why he has a problem with me, because he cant...because if he does it will prove that h'es been listen' to the back room trash talk from neckbeard.  They're all those "everything is a demon" types. Like the Messianic benny hinns without the style. Maybe that was harsh I don't know.

I've got to find a balance though. There are too many wolves in sheeps clothing looking to devour people. I know its ironic me saying that because Benjamin is a ravenous wolf. I devour those that I go to war against. I don't want to war against my brothers and sisters, IF that is what these people are... though I am inclined to think not on mot of them.  I know I'm flawed deep. I can be an asshole in how I do the right things the wrong ways. I look like the bad guy protecting people from dangers they don't even see. Smooth words and casual tongues don't look all that threatening but aren't they how the devils work is done?  I know what it feels like to be manipulated. I've learned how to avoid a lot of it over the years. not all are so trained.  Hebrew hearts are full of wickedness, who can understand them?  I know I'm not the good guy but I'm not so sure I'm the bad one either.

Sunday, December 16, 2018

Flat tops- Dissecting Flat Earth Meme (Row C)


 
Row B in case you missed it 


SUN MOVES NOT THE EARTH: ( Here we go..)
Genesis 15:12, 15:17,19:23, 32:31, Exodus 17:12, 22:3, 22:26, Leviticus 22:7, Numbers 2:3, 21:11, 34:15, Deuteronomy 4:41, 4:47, 11:30, 16:6, 23:11, 24:13, 24:15,  Joshua 1:15, 8:29, 10:27, 12:1, 13:5, 19:12, 19:27, 19:34, Judges 8:13, 9:33, 14:18, 19:14,20:43, 2 Samuel 3:35, 23:4, 1 Kings 22:36, 2 Chronicles 18:34, Psalm 50:1, 113:3, Ecclesiastes 1:5, Isaiah 41:25, 45:6, 59:19, Jeremiah 15:9 , Daniel 6:14, Amos 8:9, Jonah 4:8, Michael 3:6, Nahum 3:17, Malachi 1:11, Matthew 5:45, Mark 16:2, Ephesians 4:26,James 1:11
  • Genesis 15:12, "Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, terror and great darkness fell upon him. "

    Do you guys know that your flat earth model has a sun going in a circle hovering with the moon and that this verse does NOT help your case because it contradicts your model? This says that the sun went down.... not hovered in a circle over a flat earth 
  • 15:17,"It came about when the sun had set, that it was very dark, and behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a flaming torch which passed between these pieces.
    "Where does the sun "set" in the model of it hovering in circles over a flat earth? I mean look at this


  • According to you guys, the sun never goes "down"... Just like...left.



    • 19:23, "The sun had risen over the earth when Lot came to Zoar. "
      Risen eh.... not in that model.
    •  32:31"Now the sun rose upon him just as he crossed over Penuel, and he was limping on his thigh. " How? If the light shown down from that angle, it wouldn't be rising up.
    • Exodus 17:12, "But Moses’ hands were heavy. Then they took a stone and put it under him, and he sat on it; and Aaron and Hur supported his hands, one on one side and one on the other. Thus his hands were steady until the sun set. "
      If you guys were to take this passage the way you do other passages, it would mean that the sun only rises and sets when people move their arms.. and I think we all know, that only works for winning in football or the world series.  Still, in the flat earth hoverball model... there is no setting.
    •  22:3,"But if the sun has risen on him, there will be bloodguiltiness on his account. He shall surely make restitution; if he owns nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. "
      Sunrise and sun set...
    •  22:26 "If you ever take your neighbor’s cloak as a pledge, you are to return it to him before the sun sets"
      You know, there is a group that talks about the rising sun and setting sun...the ones that believe in a Globe earth. Does all this fit in the Globe earth belief? Yes it does... because it looks like the sun rises from the horizon and then sets after moving across the sky... imagine that. This DOESNT actually say anything on the shape of the earth. All of these verses are disqualified and used to just pad the bill.
     Leviticus 22:7 " But when the sun sets, he will be clean, and afterward he shall eat of the holy gifts, for it is his food. " Interesting thing to follow up on because Yeshua mentions David and his men eating of this food... but that, much like this... has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
    • Lets see if these have anything to do with the shape of the earth or if its more sun rise sunset stuff.... Numbers 2:3, "Now those who camp on the east side toward the sunrise shall be of the standard of the camp of Judah, by their armies, and the leader of the sons of Judah: Nahshon the son of Amminadab," Nope
    • 21:11,  "They journeyed from Oboth and camped at Iye-abarim, in the wilderness which is opposite Moab, to the east." I had to look this one up because this has nothing to do with anything... period... I got the scripture right... this is clearly another example of padding the bill.  
    • 34:15," The two and a half tribes have received their possession across the Jordan opposite Jericho, eastward toward the sunrising.” ...nope, back to sunrise and sunset. You know I just should link that daytime night time bird... its about as relevant 
    • Deuteronomy 4:41, "Then Moses set apart three cities across the Jordan to the east" Sorry folks, there are cities in the east... the earth is flat. Pack it in. we're done.
    •  4:47, " They took possession of his land and the land of Og king of Bashan, the two kings of the Amorites, who were across the Jordan to the east" This would be like me saying, New York exists, the world is shaped like funnel cake.
    •  11:30, "Are they not across the Jordan, west of the way toward the sunset, in the land of the Canaanites who live in the Arabah, opposite Gilgal, beside the oaks of Moreh? " At least we're back to at least mentioning the sun which is almost pertinent but still not in relation to the shape of the earth
    •  16:6, " but at the place where the Lord your God chooses to establish His name, you shall sacrifice the Passover in the evening at sunset, at the time that you came out of Egypt. " In the flat earth model shouldn't this read  'you shall sacrifice the Passover in the evening at sunpause'
    •  23:11,"But it shall be when evening approaches, he shall bathe himself with water, and at sundown he may reenter the camp." Bath-time means the earth is flat?
    •  24:13, "When the sun goes down you shall surely return the pledge to him, that he may sleep in his cloak and bless you; and it will be righteousness for you before the Lord your God." Sleeping naked means the earth is flat?
    •  24:15 " You shall give him his wages on his day before the sun sets, for he is poor and sets his heart on it; so that he will not cry against you to the Lord and it become sin in you." Paychecks mean that the earth is flat?
    •  you ready for another set that mentions sunrise and sunset and has nothing to do with the shape of the earth? I know I am.... Joshua 1:15, "until the Lord gives your brothers rest, as He gives you, and they also possess the land which the Lord your God is giving them. Then you shall return to your own land, and possess that which Moses the servant of the Lord gave you beyond the Jordan toward the sunrise.” Man there is a whole bit that cross references with Hebrews 4 about resting and keeping the Sabbath and taking the land.... but what isn't here... is anything about the shape of the earth.
    •  8:29," He hanged the king of Ai on a tree until evening; and at sunset Joshua gave command and they took his body down from the tree and threw it at the entrance of the city gate, and raised over it a great heap of stones that stands to this day." Had a hanging, Earths flat now?
    •  10:27, " It came about at sunset that Joshua gave a command, and they took them down from the trees and threw them into the cave where they had hidden themselves, and put large stones over the mouth of the cave, to this very day." Boarded up the ol mine, that means the earths flat?
    •  12:1, " Now these are the kings of the land whom the sons of Israel defeated, and whose land they possessed beyond the Jordan toward the sunrise, from the valley of the Arnon as far as Mount Hermon, and all the Arabah to the east: " ...did..... did Israel pound down the kings SO hard that they.... they flattened the entire earth???? Because if no, this has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
    •  13:5, "and the land of the Gebalite, and all of Lebanon, toward the east, from Baal-gad below Mount Hermon as far as Lebo-hamath."  Lebo-hamath is a cool sounding name but its not a shape of the earth... probably... I'mma make sure ...it is not
    •  19:12, "Then it turned from Sarid to the east toward the sunrise as far as the border of Chisloth-tabor, and it proceeded to Daberath and up to Japhia. " Daberath sounds like a Christian metal band... but not a shape of the earth.
    •  19:27, "It turned toward the east to Beth-dagon and reached to Zebulun, and to the valley of Iphtahel northward to Beth-emek and Neiel; then it proceeded on north to Cabul" We got an old Bible mapquest thing going on here, but not a shape of the earth.
    •  19:34 "Then the border turned westward to Aznoth-tabor and proceeded from there to Hukkok; and it reached to Zebulun on the south and touched Asher on the west, and to Judah at the Jordan toward the east" It touched Asher on the west, Asher is now IT. *everyone runs from Asher*  Still no shape.



    • Lets get.... Judgey... Judges 8:13, "Then Gideon the son of Joash returned from the battle by the ascent of Heres. " What the what..... what? What does....what?  What the.... ... What does this have to do with anything? ...what?
    •  9:33, "In the morning, as soon as the sun is up, you shall rise early and rush upon the city; and behold, when he and the people who are with him come out against you, you shall do to them whatever you can.”" We've got morning people, that means the earth is flat?
    •  14:18, "So the men of the city said to him on the seventh day before the sun went down,
      “What is sweeter than honey?
      And what is stronger than a lion?”
      And he said to them,
      “If you had not plowed with my heifer,
      You would not have found out my riddle.”  Do. NOT. Plow. With. Another. Mans. Heifer. Advice for life people. Don't do it. Also this has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
    •  19:14, "So they passed along and went their way, and the sun set on them near Gibeah which belongs to Benjamin. " So... that means that the sun fell out of the sky, on each of them right? like a giant fiery squish.... no? are we...we not doing that literal thing here?
    • 20:43 "They surrounded Benjamin, pursued them without rest and trod them down opposite Gibeah toward the east. " Benji starts a civil war, must mean the earth is flat?
    • 2 Samuel 3:35, "Then all the people came to persuade David to eat bread while it was still day; but David vowed, saying, “May God do so to me, and more also, if I taste bread or anything else before the sun goes down.” So David vowed not to eat bread, and thus the earth was flat, and flatbread became a thing?
    •  23:4, Is as the light of the morning when the sun rises,
      A morning without clouds,
      When the tender grass springs out of the earth,
      Through sunshine after rain.’  Sun RISES, not Sun MAKES A LEFT AND COMES NEAR WITH LIMITED LIGHT SCOPE
    • 1 Kings 22:36, "Then a cry passed throughout the army close to sunset, saying, “Every man to his city and every man to his country.” I read this and in my head I heard that song "I'm every woman, its all in me" and I dunno what that was about, but it isn't a shape of the earth I can tell you that much
    •  2 Chronicles 18:34, "The battle raged that day, and the king of Israel propped himself up in his chariot in front of the Arameans until the evening; and at sunset he died." Chariot races are not an earth shape.
    •  Psalm 50:1, "The Mighty One, God, the Lord, has spoken,
      And summoned the earth from the rising of the sun to its setting " Which place on the circuit is the rise and which is the set?
    •  113:3,"From the rising of the sun to its setting
      The name of the Lord is to be praised." .... because honestly, the circuit thing above is what the global people believe, except the circle is around the whole globe.
    •  Ecclesiastes 1:5, "Also, the sun rises and the sun sets;
      And hastening to its place it rises there again." I see that the sun travels on a circuit through the galaxy...  look at this accurate video that also has cool background music. The sun travels in a circuit.
    •  Isaiah 41:25, "“I have aroused one from the north, and he has come;
      From the rising of the sun he will call on My name;
      And he will come upon rulers as upon mortar,
      Even as the potter treads clay.”" Potters tread clay, earths flat?
    •  45:6, "That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun
      That there is no one besides Me.
      I am the Lord, and there is no other " no one is next to the Lord, earth flat?
    • 59:19, "So they will fear the name of the Lord from the west
      And His glory from the rising of the sun, For He will come like a rushing stream
      Which the wind of the Lord drives."  Lord drives wind and streams... flat earth? How does that jump in logic keep happening?
    • Jeremiah 15:9 , "“She who bore seven sons pines away;Her breathing is labored.
      Her sun has set while it was yet day; She has been shamed and humiliated.
      So I will give over their survivors to the sword Before their enemies,” declares the Lord. Pretty intense. Not a shape though.
    •  Daniel 6:14, "Then, as soon as the king heard this statement, he was deeply distressed and set his mind on delivering Daniel; and even until sunset he kept exerting himself to rescue him. " Distressed kings are not an earth shape
    •  Amos 8:9,  "“It will come about in that day,” declares the Lord God,
      “That I will make the sun go down at noon And make the earth dark in broad daylight." Ok, A miracle isn't the same thing as an earth shape. God bringing Yeshua from the grave isn't a commentary on layers of heaven and earth.
       
    • Jonah 4:8, " When the sun came up God appointed a scorching east wind, and the sun beat down on Jonah’s head so that he became faint and begged with all his soul to die, saying, “Death is better to me than life.”"  Uh oh... we have another literalist verse... the sun punched Jonah in the face... Its that angry sun from Mario 3 with the arms and the frowns.... 
    • Micha 3:6,"Therefore it will be night for you—without vision, And darkness for you—without divination. The sun will go down on the prophets, And the day will become dark over them" seems symbolic, but doesn't seem like an earth shape
    •  Nahum 3:17," Your guardsmen are like the swarming locust. Your marshals are like hordes of grasshoppers Settling in the stone walls on a cold day. The sun rises and they flee,
      And the place where they are is not known."  Cool analogy, no shape.
    •  Malachi 1:11, "For from the rising of the sun even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations,” says the Lord of hosts" * read this in my best Paul Willbur impersonation voice* "Thiiiiiiis is not a shaaaape, from the rising of the sun, to the end of every dayyyyy, THIIIIIIISSSS is NOT a SHAAAAAAAPE"
    •  Matthew 5:45, "so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous" *inhales* THIIIIIIIS IS NOT AAAAA SHAAAAAPE
    • Mark 16:2,"Very early on the first day of the week, they *came to the tomb when the sun had risen. " a field trip to the cemetery does not mean the earth is flat.
    •  Ephesians 4:26, "Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger,"  We got a mad face, the earths flat?
       
    • James 1:11"For the sun rises with a scorching wind and withers the grass; and its flower falls off and the beauty of its appearance is destroyed; so too the rich man in the midst of his pursuits will fade away" None of those were shapes.  I feel like running game tape like a football coach except every play is a rerun of sesame street.


      Now that we have all of that, the heading is that the earth doesn't move.... but...
      "The earth reels to and fro like a drunkard And it totters like a shack, For its transgression is heavy upon it,And it will fall, never to rise again." Isaiah 24 tottering is movement. The earth totters like a shack. Reeling is movement like a drunkard... the earth moves like I do after too much whiskey trying to find the bathroom.

      Isaiah 38:8 doesn't work with your dome light flat top sun moon halo thingy
      "Behold, I will cause the shadow on the stairway, which has gone down with the sun on the stairway of Ahaz, to go back ten steps.” So the sun’s shadow went back ten steps on the stairway on which it had gone down."  
    SUN STOPS MOVING (is sun stops moving an earth shape?)
    Isaiah 60:20, Job 9:7, Joshua 10:12-14, Habakuk 3:11
    • Isaiah 60:20,  AW C'MON.... for real... "Your sun will no longer set,
      Nor will your moon wane; For you will have the Lord for an everlasting light,
      And the days of your mourning will be over."  You're over here trying to use a verse about essentially HEAVEN to say that the sun stops moving, at a time, when there is NO SUN OR MOON and none of that is a friggin shape of the friggin earth.
    • Job 9:7, "Who commands the sun not to shine, And sets a seal upon the stars"  I bet its the same one that commanded the Earth to be ROUND
    • Joshua 10:12-14, "Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel,“O sun, stand still at Gibeon, And O moon in the valley of Aijalon.”
      13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped,
      Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies.Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. 14 There was no day like that before it or after it, when the Lord listened to the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel."
    Shouldn't that mean that the sun didn't circle left? Also, if there was no day like it before or after it... doesn't that mean that this is not a working model for your case? There was never a day like it before or after... meaning that the sun doesn't in fact stop the way you say it stops?
    • Habakuk 3:11"Sun and moon stood in their places; They went away at the light of Your arrows, At the radiance of Your gleaming spear." *now sing it in the song style of the lion king* THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATSA NOTTTTTTTTAAAAA SHAPEOFDAEARTH *hummmm *
    MOON HAS ITS OWN LIGHT
    Genesis 1:16, Isaiah13:10, 30:26, 60:19-20, Jeremiah 31:35,  Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24, Ezekiel 32:7, Revelation 21:23
    • Genesis 1:16, "God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also"  The moon has a light, given to it by the sun that it reflects, and that isn't an earth shape. none of this section has any bearing on the shape of the earth
    •  Isaiah13:10, "For the stars of heaven and their constellations
      Will not flash forth their light; The sun will be dark when it rises 
      And the moon will not shed its light."   Interesting that when the sun goes dark.... the moon does too... its almost like the moon was reflecting light from somewhere...
    •  30:26, "The light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven days, on the day the Lord binds up the fracture of His people and heals the bruise He has inflicted." today I learned that currently the moon reflects 1/7th of the light of the sun. This math is probably wrong because I suck at math, but, the moon will go to the sun level and the sun will go to super level.
    • 60:19-20, "No longer will you have the sun for light by day, Nor for brightness will the moon give you light; But you will have the Lord for an everlasting light,
      And your God for your glory.20 “Your sun will no longer set,Nor will your moon wane;
      For you will have the Lord for an everlasting light,And the days of your mourning will be over." Moon not having light still seems DIRECTLY related to the amount of Light by the Sun...
    •  Jeremiah 31:35,  Thus says the Lord, Who gives the sun for light by day
      And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night,Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar; The Lord of hosts is His name:"  I'm running out of songs to say this is not a shape of the earth to...
    • Matthew 24:29, "“But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. " Sun lights out...moon lights out... simple. Not an earth shape.
    •  Mark 13:24, "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light"  Sun dark, moon dark
    •  Ezekiel 32:7,“And when I extinguish you,
      I will cover the heavens and darken their stars;
      I will cover the sun with a cloud
      And the moon will not give its light."  What about Celine Dion...  I think that might work, the Titanic song...
    •  Revelation 21:23 "And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
      *inhales* THIIIIIIIIIIS ISSSSSS NOOT a SHAAAAAPE of the EARTHHHHHHHH, but I know in my heart that you can get this is not a shappppeeeeee.

    HIGH ALTITUDE PERSPECTIVES
    Daniel 4:11, 4:20, Matthew4:8
    • Daniel 4:11, "‘The tree grew large and became strong
      And its height reached to the sky,
      And it was visible to the end of the whole earth."  THIS WAS A VISON!!! You know, that place where seeing an angel doesn't make you poop yourself, where you can take coals from the altar and clean your mouth without doing severe face melting damage!!!  Look, Daniel even breaks it down in verse 21...but it adds verse 20 as some kinda proof next so lets do that
    • 4:20,"The tree that you saw, which became large and grew strong, whose height reached to the sky and was visible to all the earth" AND THE INTERPRETATION OF THE VISON...."and whose foliage was beautiful and its fruit abundant, and in which was food for all, under which the beasts of the field dwelt and in whose branches the birds of the sky lodged— 22 it is you, O king; for you have become great and grown strong, and your majesty has become great and reached to the sky and your dominion to the end of the earth" Get outta here with your garbage renderings and violence to the text.
    •  Matthew 4:8 "Again, the devil *took Him to a very high mountain and *showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory; "   So, you're taking this face to face conversation with THE DEVIL to mean that there is a mountain in which you can get a line of sight on every kingdom....ever.... and not as the devil just showed Him some stuff

    EVERYONE SEES JESUS ( that isn't a shape!!!)
    Revelation 1:7 
    "Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen."
    NOT. A. SHAPE.
    MATTHEWS BIBLE FROM 1537 SAYS FLAT EARTH
    2 Samuel 11:11
    Oh I see we're not only making up scriptures but we're going with obscure Bibles that aren't around probably because they're poorly translated too

    NEW JERUSALEM THE HUGE CUBE (..? is that right...like the Borg?)
    Revelation 21:15-17
    • Revelation 21:15-17 " The one who spoke with me had a gold measuring rod to measure the city, and its gates and its wall. 16 The city is laid out as a square, and its length is as great as the width; and he measured the city with the rod, fifteen hundred miles; its length and width and height are equal. 17 And he measured its wall, seventy-two yards, according to human measurements, which are also angelic measurements. " I mean its cool that heaven says No to the metric system.... but a city laid out in a square isn't an earth shape any more than Madison square garden is the earth shape...

    CREATION WORSHIPPERS: (are NOT A SHAPE)
    Deuteronomy 4:19,17:3, 2 Kings 23:5, Jeremiah 8:2
    • Deuteronomy 4:19,And beware not to lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the Lord your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.
    • 17:3,"and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded"
    •  2 Kings 23:5, "He did away with the idolatrous priests whom the kings of Judah had appointed to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah and in the surrounding area of Jerusalem, also those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and to the moon and to the constellations and to all the host of heaven. "
    •  Jeremiah 8:2 " They will spread them out to the sun, the moon and to all the host of heaven, which they have loved and which they have served, and which they have gone after and which they have sought, and which they have worshiped. They will not be gathered or buried; they will be as dung on the face of the ground. "

      Well, none of those were earth shapes... and acknowledging that the earth is round isn't worshipping the moon and starts any more than camping in the woods is worshipping trees.

    GODS WORD IS ALWAYS FAITHFUL AND TRUE
    Jeremiah 42:5, Revelation 3:14, 19:11,21:5

    • Jeremiah 42:5, "Then they said to Jeremiah, “May the Lord be a true and faithful witness against us if we do not act in accordance with the whole message with which the Lord your God will send you to us." Bro... I caught you making up a few scriptures on this list!!!
    •  Revelation 3:14, "“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:" You made up verses on this list that don't exist
    • "19:11, " And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war" yeah...so repent for making stuff up
    • 21:5 "And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He *said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.” " Yeshua hitting the freeverse there. Still not an earth shape.  200 verse debunked. *mic drop* 



    Is the firmament a solid dome? I dunno... but...Link


     

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