Fallen Dominion.

 A commentary on Genesis and Dominion. 

Our God is a God of order.

When we think about the creation of man back in the garden God decided to make Man in His image. HE made Man and gave him dominion over the earth. Was this dominion to control and oppress the creatures that God had just made in a form of harsh slaveship? I don't think so. He created man and had him give all the animals names and he was to cultivate the earth. Cultivate, dominion. TO tend to the ground and care for it that it may yield fruit the way it is intended to. 

Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the Lord God had not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground.

 The Lord God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed. Man's purpose before the fall was to exercise his dominion 

The Lord God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed. 9 Out of the ground the Lord God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

 Then the Lord God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it. 

He wasn't oppressing the land by tending his dominion. He was operating in his Divinely assigned role. God did not make woman first and give her this role of dominion over the earth. God did not make woman at the same moment as man to share in this dominion.  Instead, Man was alone in his dominion and God said it wasn't good that he be in solitude/ alone. 

Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him.

Still within the dominion of Adam, in his reflection of the Creator, he is ruling and giving names to that which is in his dominion. God puts a sleep over Adam and instead of creating independently from the dirt again as with Adam and giving her the same dominion and creation as Adam- God takes the woman from the rib of Adam.  

 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. 22 The Lord God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. 23 The man said,  “This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh;  She shall be called Woman,  Because she was taken out of Man.”

Who gives woman her name? Adam. Who gives Adam his name? God.  The reflection of God is present in this creation. She is created by God and by Adam. Adam not only titles her woman, but gives her the name Eve as is his role given to him by God, of dominion. 

 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

It is stated that Man is the covering over the woman just as the example of The Father being over Christ, The King being over the Bride, so is the Husband over the Wife. The royal kingdom set up of a king and queen has the king ruling with the queen at his side- yet he is still the one in dominion. 

 For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; 9 for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake -1 Cor 11

When God gave the command to not eat of the tree He didn't give it to the woman. 

Then the Lord God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it. 16 The Lord God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”

Who is the first person to add to the commands of God?  The woman 

 2 The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3 but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.’”

For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.

The woman was deceived, but the scripture points out that sin entered through Adam. 

The Lie was that it will:

• open your eyes 
• make you like God 
• know good and evil 

The Temptation was that :

• "good for food"
• "delight to the eyes"
• "make one wise

One of the definitions of Know/yada is to declare. Mankind has been declaring good and evil instead of what GOD defines as good and evil, and this includes the roles given to us by God. We have opened our eyes to sin, and have made ourselves like God in our declaration.  It is for this reason there is such indignation by the Savior to the Pharisees who set aside the commands of God for the sake of their own traditions- going so far as to say that they declare what is and isn't food based on ritual hand washing traditions of the elders. The delight of self made wisdom rather than the wisdom of God. 

They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 Then the Lord God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?” 

God walking in the garden does not call out "Egalitarian couple of equality, where would both of you be located?" He calls out to the man as it was his duty and role to walk in the dominion of which he was given.  

10 He said, “I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself.” 11 And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?” 12 The man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate.” 13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” And the woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

Adam, instead of accepting the responsibility for his choice to disobey God, BLAMES HIS WIFE even though ADAM was not the one deceived by the Serpent because Adam  had the command directly from the mouth of God. Adam had ceased to reflect the nature of God's guardianship by ignoring the word of God and surrendering his dominion. 

To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children;  Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.”

The Judgement of God to the woman is that she will have pain in childbirth (which she still does) and Her desire will be for her husband (dominion) but He shall rule over her( Dominion). We know this is the right meaning  that the desire is to be in dominion over her husband as its used in the next chapter  as with Cain and his sin offering. Compare:

To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children;  Yet your desire (H8669 tᵊšûqâ) will be for your husband, And he will rule  (H4910  māšal)over you.” 

 If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire (H8669 tᵊšûqâ) is for you, but you must master (H4910 māšal) it.”

But what does God say to the man? 

Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’; Cursed is the ground because of you;In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. 18 “Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you;  And you will eat the plants of the field; 19 By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground,  Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return.”

God states clearly that because Adam took the Egalitarian position and passed his dominion role over and followed his wifes doctrine given to her by the serpent, That now his role is going to be much much much harder. The ground is cursed because of Adam. The arena of his dominion has been infected 

Again I highlight the Pharisees issue of calling eating bread unclean if you eat it with unwashed hands... as it seems to completely dismiss the decree of God that one will toil in the dirt and eat the bread. 

Now, in the context of Adam and the Dominion of which He was supposed to lead and guard and care and cultivate both the ground- which is polluted by sin based on Adams dominion, and care for his wife, who was given to him to help reflect the image of God let's look at a few passages. 

 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned - Romans 5:12

Eve didn't doom humanity, Adam did. Adam is who I see at fault. Adam chose, He was not deceived. 

NOW look at 1 Timothy 2

 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 

Paul is making direct reference to Adam and Eve in the Divine order of dominion not as a personal opinion but in the order that God instructs. God did not create man to destroy the world, but to give him careful dominion and stewardship that full prosperity may be maintained. The reason that women are scripturally not permitted to be in authority over men and be pastors is that it is a direct reference to this. God spoke to the man, man spoke to the woman. God led the man, man led ( or was supposed to ) the woman. NOW look at the example in scripture even closer in this context of Ephesians 5

22 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. 28 So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; 29 for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, 30 because we are members of His body. 

Just as Adam was given Dominion to care for and steward the earth he was given his wife to care for watch over, TO WASH HER, CLEANSING HER - that is dominion language, not in a oppressive pejorative way but in a way of LOVE and deep tender care AS HE IS TO LOVE HIS OWN FLESH! 

And the wife, She is STILL called like Eve, to submit to her husband in everything and RESIST that desire over him to seize dominion!!! As a wife refuses to allow her husband's leadership per Divinely appointed call, She actively resists GOD and the reflection of the order that HE put in place. She not only defies GOD's call over her husband, BUT ACTIVELY REJECTS GOD'S CALL OVER HER OWN LIFE in the way she was created to reflect HIS GLORY 

When women reject the order that God has set to reflect HIM And HIS order and defiantly take to the pulpits declaring themselves to be pastors over the men and congregations They have absolutely and unequivocally eaten a doctrine from the adversary of which they have been deceived as being good for food, a delight to the eyes, and having made them wise. 

Woe Man

-Gen 3:16
To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth, In pain you shall deliver children; Yet your desireH8669 will be for your husband, And he shall rule H4910 over you.”

- Gen 4:7
“If you do well, will your face not be cheerful? And if you do not do well, sin is lurking at the door; and its desire H8669 is for you, but you must master H4910 it.” 


Isaiah 3:11  Woe to the wicked! It will go badly with him,  For what he deserves will be done to him.
12 O My people! Their oppressors are children,  And women rule over them. O My people! Those who guide you lead you astray And confuse the direction of your paths.


 1 Tim 2:11 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15 But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.

• Numbers 31:15And Moses said to them, “Have you spared all the women?16“Behold, they caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to be unfaithful to the LORD in the matter of Peor, so that the plague took place among the congregation of the LORD!
• Revelation 2 :14‘But I have a few things against you, because you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit sexual immorality.

Judges 4 :1Then the sons of Israel again did evil in the sight of the Lord, after Ehud died. 2 And the Lord sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, who reigned in Hazor; and the commander of his army was Sisera, who lived in Harosheth-hagoyim. 3 The sons of Israel cried to the Lord; for he had nine hundred iron chariots, and he oppressed the sons of Israel severely for twenty years.

Judges 3

• The Israelites cried out to the LORD. SO THE LORD RAISED UP Othniel son of Kenaz, Caleb’s youngest brother, as a deliverer to save the Israelites.
• Then the Israelites cried out to the LORD, AND HE RAISED UP Ehud son of Gera, a left-handed Benjaminite, as a deliverer for them. The Israelites sent him with the tribute for King Eglon of Moab.” 

Why does in not say that the Lord raised up Deborah?

• She said, “I will surely go with you; nevertheless, the honor shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hands of a woman.”

Dishonor to the Man = his honor given to the woman 

•  Moses' wife circumcised his kids to save her husband's life, and this was a righteous act where Moses was not operating in the area of which he was to be operating. Did this make Moses wife a pastor/ Overseer ?No. did it make her a woman that did a righteous act when a man had not done what he was supposed to and his life was at stake? Yes. 
• What about Miriam? Wasn't the thing that she grumbled saying was that "we all hear from God" asserting that there was no difference between her , Aaron and Moses? Yet, only she was put outside the camp for a sin that encompassed her and Aaron. The point alludes to Miriam making an assertion to be in the same positioning as her Male brothers. The result is that she is set outside the camp for 7 days, where a Priest would have to come and check to see if she was healed of her leprosy in order to be readmitted to the camp.

1 Cor 14:34

• The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35 If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. 36 Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only? 37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment. 38 But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized

 Ephesians 5:22-24

• Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.-

1 Peter 3 

• In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, 2 as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior. 3 Your adornment must not be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses; 4 but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God. 5 For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands; 6 just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear.7 You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered.

Titus 2:4-5

•  so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored. 

There are examples of headship/authority all over the scriptures and commands of God

 - Numbers 30:3-5

•         Also if a woman makes a vow to the Lord, and binds herself by an obligation in her father’s house in her youth, 4 and her father hears her vow and her obligation by which she has bound herself, and her father says nothing to her, then all her vows shall stand and every obligation by which she has bound herself shall stand. 5 But if her father should forbid her on the day he hears of it, none of her vows or her obligations by which she has bound herself shall stand; and the Lord will forgive her because her father had forbidden her.

By the Headship/Authority of the father, the woman breaking a vow is not under penalty This same authority set up is for husbands to wives 

- Numbers 30:6-8

•      However, if she should marry while under her vows or the rash statement of her lips by which she has bound herself, 7 and her husband hears of it and says nothing to her on the day he hears it, then her vows shall stand and her obligations by which she has bound herself shall stand. 8 But if on the day her husband hears of it, he forbids her, then he shall annul her vow which she is under and the rash statement of her lips by which she has bound herself; and the Lord will forgive her. 

- Numbers 5:19-20;29

• The priest shall have her take an oath and shall say to the woman, “If no man has lain with you and if you have not gone astray into uncleanness, being under the authority of your husband, be immune to this water of bitterness that brings a curse; 20 if you, however, have gone astray, being under the authority of your husband, and if you have defiled yourself and a man other than your husband has had intercourse with you” This is the law of jealousy: when a wife, being under the authority of her husband, goes astray and defiles herself

If we take an egalitarian approach to 1 timothy and the ORDER in which is outlined, then what we are saying at the core is that WE are equal to Christ- that there is no Divine authority and that We are co- authority with God and this is at its core the the doctrine of Eve in the garden being tempted by the fruit- that she would be like God knowing good and evil and have her eyes opened. 

God made things in the ORDER in which He chose. He DECIDED to make man first. He THEN gave Man dominion. He THEN made woman. When Eve ate first and then Adam , God called out to Adam. God did not call out to both of them equally saying "humans what happened".  

Historic Lies

 "Many of those who say that they confess Jesus, and are called Christians, eat meats offered to idols, and declare that they are by no means injured in consequence. Confessing themselves to be Christians, and admitting the crucified Jesus to be both Lord and Christ, yet not teaching His doctrines, but those of the spirits of error. ...[They are those who] teach to blaspheme the Maker of all things, and Christ, who was foretold by Him as coming, and the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, with whom we have nothing in common, since we know them to be atheists, impious, unrighteous, and sinful, and confessors of Jesus in name only, instead of worshipers of Him. Yet they style themselves Christians, just as certain among the Gentiles inscribe the name of God upon the works of their own hands, and partake in nefarious and impious rites. Some are called Marcians, and some Valentinians, and some Basilidians, and some Saturnilians, and others by other names; each called after the originator of the individual opinion...the name of the father of the particular doctrine"- Justin Martyr

"Finally, in 1550, Calvin managed to get the Genevan authorities to outlaw Christmas and to mandate that communion would be celebrated only on Sundays, and not on “superstitious” pagan dates like December 25. Indeed, on December 25, 1550, the city council sat for business as usual, the courts were in session and businesses were all open under penalty of fine. Calvin, as usual, gave his weekday sermon on a book of the Old Testament and noticed something that upset him: there were more people in church than on a typical weekday. A committed soldier in the war on Christmas, Calvin boomed from the pulpit:
I see more people than usual at sermon today. And why? It’ s Christmas day. And who told you? It seems so [to be a holy day] to poor beasts. There’ s the fitting label for all who came to sermon today in honor of the feast… But if you think that Jesus Christ was born today, you are beasts, indeed, rabid beasts."

The Zondervan Pictorial Encyclopedia of the Bible:

"Gradually a number of prevailing practices of the nations into which Christianity came were assimilated and ...were combined with the religious ceremonies surrounding Christmas. The assimilation of such practices generally represented efforts by Christians to transform or absorb otherwise pagan practices.

The Feast of Saturnalia in early Rome, for example, was celebrated for 7 days from the 17th to the 24th of December and was marked by a spirit of merriment, gift giving to children and other forms of entertainment. Gradually, early Christians replaced the pagan feast with the celebration of Christmas; but many of the traditions of this observance were assimilated and remain to this day a part of the observance of Christmas. Other nations, the Scandinavians, Germans, French, English and others, have left their mark . . . as well (pp. 804, 805)."

The Christian Encyclopedia

"Various symbolic elements of the pagan celebration, such as the lighting of candles, evergreen decorations, and the giving of gifts, were adapted to Christian signification. Later as Christianity spread into northern Europe, the Celtic, Teutonic, and Slavic winter festivals contributed holly, mistletoe, the Christmas tree, bonfires, and similar items."

Unger's Bible Dictionary:

"The giving of presents was a Roman custom; while the yule tree and yule log are remnants of old Teutonic nature worship. Gradually the festival sank into mere revelry . . . . The custom was forbidden by an act of parliament in 1555; And the reformation brought in a refinement in the celebration of Christmas by emphasizing it Christian elements."

The Bible  

“But for the cowardly, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and sexually immoral persons, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

We KNOW that the customs of Christmas are pagan in origination. We KNOW that the pagan customs were infused by men who called themselves "Christians" but were not. Tares. The ones that are false. Liars. If ALL liars are destined for the lake of fire, then it MUST include those that preach that the pagan customs are of Christ. 

and if WE are professing believers, WE should not be lying about 

Santa
Elves on Shelves
or That God does not care about how we worship Him.   

Rebuke

 Heretical Teaching

☝This is a link to a Heretical Teaching by Salem Reformed Baptist Chruch. 
👇This is my 10 page rebuke 

"not paying attention to Jewish myths and commandments of men who turn away from the truth. "

The commands of God are not Jewish myths nor are the commandments of men.  They are Divine Law.

We are part of the New Covenant if we are SAVED. ONCE we are ALREADY SAVED, Hebrews 10 states that as New Covenant believers have the Law of God on their hearts and on their minds. 

False teachers are recognized by the ones that teach that we should not obey the Law of God as Christ  Himself states we should do and Keep the Law of God in Matthew 5 

 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

To talk about doctrinal purity, What is good Doctrine:

Proverbs 4:2 

For I give you good doctrine: Do not forsake my law.

The Law is not for salvation, but it is for good doctrine, for identifying what sin is, and what it isn't. What righteousness is, and what it isn't  as it is written:

1 John 3:4 Everyone who does sin also does lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. 

And Again in 2 Thes chapter 2:

 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 8 And then that lawless one will be revealed—whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming— 9 whose coming is in accord with the working of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of unrighteousness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 And for this reason God sends upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

You go on to speak on Ephesians and how Ministers are to teach obedience to Christ, Paul mentioned what equips men who are saved to do this. 

2 Timothy 3

But you continue in the things you learned and became convinced of, knowing from whom you learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to make you wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be equipped, having been thoroughly equipped for every good work.

The sacred scriptures for teaching being referred to here are God's commandments as its said "Abraham believed and then obeyed God's commandments" 

You go on to mention that Satan's schemes against the church and seeks to harm through false teachings. This is correct. 

Revelation 12:17

17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman and went off to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the witness of Jesus.

Satan hates those that follow God's commandments, those holding to the sacred scriptures as paul mentioned, those that love the truth that the Psalmist mentions is God's Law- ALONG with their faith in Christ. He's not attacking those who are teaching "do not follow God's law"...He's attacking those that are living like Christ out of a response to their salvation of Grace alone and walking in Sanctification., repentance, obedience. 

In the last days some will depart from the faith and turn to teachings of demons. We already saw where Christ in Matthew 5 says do and keep the Law, so what would the position of these demons be? I already mentioned 2 thes. 2 and the Man of lawlessness and those who are lawless and God allows a deluding Spirit over them because they didn't love the Truth, wouldn't the doctrines of demons be to disregard what God says to follow and obey? 

You mention to look away from false teachers and instead to look to Christ.  

Matthew 7:21-23

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, in Your name did we not prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

would it be fair to say that the false teachers were advocating a total disregard for the Law of God, and did not have it on their heart and mind as New Covenant believers? 

What about this passage in Matthew 13

1 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the fiery furnace; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Is it the ones who are Pro- Law or Pronomian that are thrown in the fire with the stumbling blocks and taken OUT of the kingdom? 

When we read 2 Tim 4

 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

When Christ said to do and teach the law, and we have good doctrine as being not forsaking the law, then wouldn't it make sense that the false itching ears pastors would be telling people not to regard those pronomians who profess that we are saved by grace through faith alone and that should result in obedience and repentance? 

Acts 15 was teaching that to be saved a person had to convert to Judaism and that something a person physically did allowed them to be Jewish and then once they obeyed the law they could be saved. This is not a pronomian position. This is a heresy, that as scripture points out, began in Acts 15. 

Peter points out in Acts 15 that they ( Jews) were never saved by keeping the law or circumcision and that it would be unjust to start such a practice and apply it to the gentiles. Scripture clearly states taht Abraham was not saved by circumcision, He was saved by grace through faith. Hebrews 11 list all the patriarchs of the faith as being saved the same way, so the heresy that BEGAN in acts 15 is NOT what the Hebrew faith had been from Sinai to Christ- Those who teach this do not have a firm grasping of the scriptures and are in danger of being the very false preachers that they seek to stand against. 

When you look at Acts 15:21 you will see that the conclusion of the council was that the gentiles ( the subjects at hand) have 4 elementary rules and that they hear the Law of God preached every sabbath. There is no command against child sacrifice in Acts 15, but we would be foolish to think that God does not have that standard for Gentile believers who as they are saved are turning to repentance. In fact, If the Torah was not for Gentiles, then why does God say over (Leviticus 18:26 ) and over (Leviticus 22:18-21) and over (Leviticus 24:16) and over ( Leviticus 24:22) and over (Numbers 9:14) and over (Numbers 15:15-16) and over (Numbers 15:29-30) and over (Deuteronomy 16:13-15 ) and over (Deuteronomy 26:10-11) and over (Deuteronomy 31:9-13) and over (Ecclesiastes 12:13)  again that it is?

Godly men should lead the church, which is why I agree with the Psalmist who tells us how men can keep their way pure 

Psalm 119:9-11

9 How can a young man keep his way pure?

By keeping it according to Your word.

10 With all my heart I have sought You;

Do not let me stray from Your commandments.

11 Your word I have treasured in my heart,

That I may not sin against You.

If a teacher is teaching that by obeying the commands of God one is creating disorder or sin or some how promoting a condemnation or falsehood, THAT teacher THEMSELVES would be preaching contrary to the Word of God 

There is a group that was false teaching that to be saved one had to be circumcised and to keep the law- to be saved- this is heresy. On the opposite side of this false doctrine, is another false doctrine that is equally heretical, and that is those that become antinomian in doctrine and disregard God's righteousness and substitute their own interpretations of the Word rather than what God's standards are. They are choosing what THEY call righteous instead of what God says is righteous. 

I am glad that you welcome public rebuke of harmful teachings. Please let this serve as such as it applies. I Must rebuke antichrist/antinomian doctrine that you may correct accordingly and conform to walking in the manner of Christ our Savior. 

God's law is not Jewish myths. The commands are the Law of God . It says to avoid foolish controversies it does not say avoid important discussions regarding the very things that Christ HIMSELF says that HE did not come to abolish AND HE tells us that we are to both DO and TEACH, as those that are the least who do not do and teach them will be likened to the stumbling blocks and cast OUT of the kingdom on that day when they come to Christ when they might say "we kept so much order in your church and appointed elders" but He says Depart from me you who practice LAWLESSNESS I never knew you. 

If you are saved, and are walking by the Holy Spirit, The Spirit convicts you of Sin, and Sin is the violation of God's Law. If you take issue with this, then you are chastising the Holy Spirit of God as being a judaizer and not welcomed in your church. 

You cite Paul to advocate not being Pronomian, but in doing this you are the very thing that Peter warns us about in 2 Peter 3 

14 Therefore, beloved, since you are looking for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard lest you, having been carried away by the error of unprincipled(antinomian) men, fall from your own steadfastness 

Paul even went so far as to perform sacrifices after the death and resurrection of Christ for the EXACT purpose to prove WRONG those who are saying what you are preaching here.  Acts 21:18-24;26 

18 And the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 And after he had greeted them, he began to relate one by one the things which God did among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; 24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law. 26Then Paul took the men, and the next day, purifying himself along with them, went into the temple giving notice of the completion of the days of purification, until the sacrifice was offered for each one of them.

Would the teaching of demons advocate obeying God the way that God tells us to obey Him? That doesn't make sense. 

You now cite the passage regarding itching ears doctrines. It is interesting that you cite this if you are holding an antinomian position as this states clearly that these people seek teachers to indulge their own passions. Did you not know that the Law of God is CONTRARY to the flesh? 

Romans 8:7-8

 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God, for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh are not able to please God.

The Law of God is against the FLESH and that those in the FLESH cannot please God. Antinomians teach that we are not to pick up our cross and deny the flesh, the very Call of the Messiah. You cannot stay in the truth and hold to the myth indeed, abandon this myth that pronomianism is ungodly. 

A Myth is a fable created by MAN- like saying that obeying God's Law because you are saved is to be rebuked or is turning to error. That is a man made myth, as that doctrine is not founded in the Word of God. 

you rightly say that these myths were actually endorsing sinful behavior, as stated above sin is the violation of God's Law and disregard of God's commands and therefore you perpetuating the myth that Christ and Paul were against the Law of God is spreading the very Myths that the elders in the church are put in place to protect against. 

To be clear, you are saying that at Sinai, after freeing Israel from bondage and leading them into freedom by faith- God gave them ungodly directives and doctrines of demons? That's what you are saying when you call the Word of God, God's self disclosure to the World, oppression. 

In Mark 7, Christ is rebuking the Pharisees for their made up man made traditions that became the Talmud and the Mishna, not for matters concerning God's Law. The issue was that Pharisees were trying to rebuke them for not partaking in TRADITIONAL handwashing and matters that by their TRADITIONS they were saying made men and bread unclean. Please note that in this passage that Christ rebukes them over and over and over again for not only their traditions BUT FOR SETTING ASIDE THE COMMANDS OF GOD - WHICH IS WHAT THE THRUST OF YOUR ENTIRE MESSAGE IS ENTAILING.  Christ is not rebuking the Pharisees for obeying God's law, He's rebuking them for NOT obeying it. Therefore it is not the man who obeys God's Commands who is like the pharisaic judaizer- IT IS THE RELIGIOUS MAN WHO BY HIS OWN INTERPRETATIONS AND TWISTING OF SCRIPTURES DISREGARDS THE COMMANDS OF GOD 

You bring up sound doctrine again, so allow me to break this down 

Before we were saved we continually violated God's Law. 

We were saved by Grace through faith, and Titus 2:11-14 says that Grace redeems us from every lawless deed. 

Once we are saved, we are to repent from sin, and sin is lawlessness 1 john 3:4. 

We are to live according to Christ's example, who was perfectly obedient to the Law of God as if He sinned He can't be the Savior. 

As we are repentant,  we are walking in the Holy Spirit- who convicts us of Sin which is a violation of God's Law. 

We are part of the New Covenant,  which is the Law of God written on our hearts  by that same Holy Spirit so that we may obey God,as Hebrews 10 states, quoting Jeremiah 33. 

Peter warns us to not interpret Paul's writings as saying not to obey God's Law in 2 Peter 3:14-17

We are not not walking like the/an Anti-Christ,  who is called the man of Lawlessness, and people who follow them are under a delusion according to 2 thes 2. 

We are called to perseverance and overcome against Satan, and the perseverance is holding to the commands of God AND the testimony of Christ,  Rev. 12:17, 14:12

Wouldn't it be a distortion of the word to take things that God has said in this word which are sins, and dismiss them because people may like them or to minimize them by traditions, and wouldn't that disregard for God be more of a doctrine of demons that appeases the flesh?

To be a true Christian you must LOVE GOD.  Loving God, according to God, will result in obedience to His ways. Read the entirety of Hebrews 11, these mere all saved by faith and it resulted in obedience, because they loved God they believed. 

"we had a young man visiting us but from what I heard he turned to Jewish myths and started keeping the mosaic Law" 

Sir, “what you heard”? You didn't reach out to him? Did you accept whatever myth you heard about him? Aren't pastors checking on these things? IF He was going that way, why didn't you  as a pastor, or get an elder, to sit with him or call him and walk with him through the scriptures that you might either win him to the truth in correcting his doctrine, OR YOU YOURSELF MIGHT REPENT OF FALSEHOOD YOU ESPOUSE FROM THE PULPIT? 

Now you begin to double speak when you demonize pronomians for, in your words saying "they say that the Torah is binding on us"  and then you admit "The old testament is binding on us as believers in Jesus". Sir are you being deliberately obtuse in your needless division or is this a personal issue for you? Why did you diminish one party in one breath and then admit to agreement in another? 

I am seeing that you are having difficulty understanding the purpose of the Law, and I think you may be looking at the Law of God as being a means for salvation for people in the Old Testament. This is a common misunderstanding. From Genesis in the garden, God promised a coming Savior to redeem mankind and from the Garden anyone who was ever saved was saved by faith and it was credited to them as Righteousness.  Cain and Able knew to sacrifice, Noah knew clean and unclean animals, and scripture states in Hebrews 11 that these were saved by faith, not by the Law. Now if one was thinking that performing godly actions contributed to salvation, like the men began teaching in acts 15, then yes that is falsehood and heresy and a lie from the pit of hell and bondage. HOWEVER, that is not the pronomian position. Pronomians like David, put their faith in the Messiah, Christ, The Savior of the World, The Word made flesh who dwelled among us, God incarnate. Out of that genuine and abiding love we have for God, like in any healthy relationship, we do what is pleasing to the one we love. God says rest and spend the day with Him on HIS Sabbath, rest and spend the day as prescribed in the Bible- not with man made burdensome rabbinical traditions, and not to arrogantly display an outward sense of holiness- but because WE LOVE GOD 

Again you are absolutely correct that there is no distinction between civil, moral, or ceremonial Law, so when Christ says that not even the smallest jot or tittle should be diminished until HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, and Peter and Revelation both State that has yet to happen, then stop teaching that it has. 

"if you're going to keep one you have to keep the whole thing"  yes, if you are trying to earn your salvation then you would need to have never sinned, and also keep all of the Law perfectly. Thank God that isn't the pronomian position or anything that they are preaching. Thank God that the false myths pastors are spreading about pronomianism are false. 

I agree that Gematria and Kabbalah are weird and false. You have this correct. 

Just as an atheist might label all of God's followers as immoral and evil and full of hate, so are you painting all who are obeying God's law out of a response and love of Christ's Salvation as in error. You decry much of the weirdness and fringe doctrines held by individual groups, and rightly so, but you're wrong to make it a blanket statement. Pronomians do not hold to any of those things. There are many Christians' who hold these fringe beliefs. 

You are right about homosexuality and other myths regarding sexual immorality. I encourage you to keep these. 

You brought up the dietary laws of God and conveyed much bewilderment. You liken to eating and abstaining of certain foods to be a custom of Mosaic law, and again this is an error. Again, looking back to Mark 7, the issue is Pharisaic law and the pharisees NOT following the commands of God and imposing that they have the authority to determine what is or isn't food, Not God. Christ rebukes them saying that it is what comes out of the heart that defiles a person- which is the choice to reject what GOD has said,  in favor for what MAN has said. You appear do dismiss eating that which God has not called food as some little issue but PEOPLE IGNORING WHAT GOD DEFINES FOOD AS BEING AND CHOOSING TO SET ASIDE THE COMMANDS OF GOD AND EAT THAT WHICH HE HAS FORBIDDEN IS THE VERY ACTION THAT DOOMED HUMANITY AND KICKED US OUT OF THE GARDEN.  IT IS A LITERAL DOCTRINE GIVEN BY A DEMON. YOU ARE IGNORING WHAT GOD DEFINES FOOD AS IN HIS WORD AND LITERALLY PREACHING THAT WE SHOULD TAKE AND EAT AND SAYING THAT IT IS GOOD FOR MAKING ONE WISE AND WE SURELY WILL NOT DIE.  I cannot overstate enough the need to repent of that ideology. Our God does not change and is a provocation before Him. 

You have stated that in Christ we have no food laws. Setting aside that your statement contradicts you earlier point in acts 15 where gentiles are commanded to avoid meat sacrificed to idols which in of itself is a food law, I will present you with a burning question:

Isaid 66 states that God will (not has, will) pour out indignation on ALL FLESH (not just Jews) who eat swine and mice and abominations BEFORE the NEw heaven and new earth are created which are spoken of in 2 Peter and Revelation 21. IF that is something that enrages GOD, whom we love- not even just the element of it being a sin which it is- but we KNOW its something that upsets our God whom we love... then wouldn't that mean that to consume these things is not an act of liberty but selfishness? Wouldn't the justification of such an action be akin to saying that "Love is Love '' to excuse adultery or fornication? The degree in which you hate sin is the degree in which you love God's Law, and friend your message is romantic to DEATH towards the flesh. 

How can you preach so adoringly of the Lord's Supper as a reflection of Christ, and then Dismiss GOD'S COMMANDS REGARDING WHAT IS FOOD! Both are reflections of Christ. We are of faith so we eat the things of faith that God tells us are food. Those who are not of faith eat abominations such as pork and shellfish. Again like the Pharisees, when Rebuked by Christ... You should have done the latter without neglecting the former. 

The dividing wall that Christ abolished was man made customs, NOT making abominations that God said not to eat into food. God never called the gentiles unclean, MAN MADE TRADITIONS DID. It was a mixed multitude that left Egypt, a mixed multitude at Sinai, and a mixed multitude that agreed to the Torah. God didn't have two separate standards of Sin, He's not a respecter of persons that says that one is a sin for a Jew and one is a sin for a gentile.... that IS A MYTH.

Colossians 2 is referring to the Pharisees saying that bread was unclean if you touched it without obeying MAN MADE TRADITIONS. IT IS NOT ABOUT OBEYING GOD'S WORD!!! God's LAW IS NOT THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN THEY ARE FROM GOD!!!

"all things are pure to those who are pure" This is referring to food. Bread is food. What this is not referring to is calling things God said aren't food, as food. Here is a breakdown of this concept for you https://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2023/09/you-cant-sit-with-us.html. 

Think about this in Isaiah 66 

“For just as the new heavens and the new earth

Which I make will endure before Me,” declares Yahweh,

“So your seed and your name will endure.

23 And it shall be from new moon to new moon

And from sabbath to sabbath,

All mankind will come to worship before Me,” says Yahweh.

24 “Then they will go forth and look

On the corpses of the men

Who have transgressed against Me.

For their worm will not die

And their fire will not be quenched;

And they will be an object of contempt to all mankind.”

Those that eat abominations are destroyed and they will be corpses and an abhorrence. What does Revelation 21:8 say  about those that ARENT in Heaven?

Revelation 21:8

 But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

The abhorrence.  Daniel 12 tells us the same thing

And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to reproach and everlasting contempt. 3 And those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.

Be obedient. If you are in Christ, you will do the things of Christ. Christ walked in obedience to the Law of God. We are to be Holy as He is Holy. We are under grace and we are under Mercy, but we are called to repent. Just as I am calling you to repent and live like Christ and die to your flesh and stop preaching the doctrine of demons, of satan, and of lawlessness.

Are The "Divine Council" "gods?"

 ….. no.


But since you're here, let me show you what it its. 

Surely the Lord God does nothing unless He reveals His secret counsel to His servants the prophets. - Amos 3:7 NASB 95

Lets look at that from a few other translations. 

 For the Lord Jehovah doth nothing, Except He hath revealed His counsel unto His servants the prophets.- Youngs Literal Translation

 Because the Lord YHVH will not do a thing except He has revealed His secret to His prophetic servants.- Hebrew 

For the master God will not do anything unless he reveals his teaching to his servants the prophets -Greek Septuagint 

The council is the prophets of whom God tells His secret plans to. 

 

Then God said to Noah, “The end of humanity has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of people; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.-Gen 6: 13

The LORD said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do- Gen 18:7

Then the Lord came and stood and called as at other times, “Samuel! Samuel!” And Samuel said, “Speak, for Your servant is listening.” 11 The Lord said to Samuel, “Behold, I am about to do a thing in Israel at which both ears of everyone who hears it will tingle. -1 Samuel 310-11

And he instructed me and talked with me and said, “Daniel, I have come now to give you insight with understanding. “At the beginning of your pleas the command was issued, and I have come to tell you, because you are highly esteemed; so pay attention to the message and gain understanding of the vision. Dan 9:22-23

Now the word of the LORD came to me saying- Jeremiah 1:4

God tells us Himself that there are no other "gods" in the real sense. 

“I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; 6 That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun that there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7 The One forming light and creating darkness, causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these.- Isaiah 45:5-7

“Has a nation changed gods when they were not gods? But My people have changed their glory for that which does not profit.- Jeremiah 2:11

SO... What do we do with things like the mention of gods of Egypt and that Psalms 82 passage? 

Thus says the Lord, “The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush and the Sabeans, men of stature, will come over to you and will be yours; They will walk behind you, they will come over in chains and will bow down to you; they will make supplication to you: surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God.’”- Isaiah 45 14

How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?- John 5::44

God takes His stand in His own congregation; He judges in the midst of the rulers. 2 How long will you judge unjustly  And show partiality to the wicked? Selah. 3 Vindicate the weak and fatherless; Do justice to the afflicted and destitute. 4 Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked. 5 They do not know nor do they understand; They walk about in darkness;  All the foundations of the earth are shaken. 6 I said, “You are gods [ Elohim/Judges], And all of you are sons of the Most High. 7 “Nevertheless you will die like men  And fall like any one of the princes.” 8 Arise, O God, judge the earth!  For it is You who possesses all the nations.- Psalm 82

The EXACT same word for "god's" in Psalm 82 is used for Judges in Exodus 21:6

Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.- Exodus 21:6

It would be silly to think that God is advocating that a slave the wants to remain in his masters house because he loves him, should go before "gods"... "god's" that God has instructed us to not even mention. 

You Can't Sit With Us

  It's nearly 2am on the Sabbath and I was trying to lay in bed and pay attention to some assassin movie when God started stringing passages together in my mind. I hope that this post acts as something akin to a timeline or narrative that paints a picture to put certain passages into the right doctrinal context.  There are certain passages that come up with mainstream Christian theology that tradition has passed down improper context, and Messianic theology takes them one by one and usually restores context. Instead of watching assassin movies and eating ruffles, God impressed in upon me to get out of bed and thread these passages together. Ultimately, These passages have one common denominator, and that is that many Jews/Pharisees believed that if you didn't obey their version of the Law of Moses (which usually includes the traditions of the elders being regarded as Commands of God) in order to be saved, you were unclean.

Let's look at the issue in scripture. I'm going to do my best to do this in the right order of coherent context. Scripture wasn't written the moment it happened, but in retrospection to give an accounting of events transpired.

Acts 15:1 Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.

Men were saying not only was works being done, but to be SAVED, to come into the faith you had to FIRST obey the CUSTOM of Moses. Not the Law of Moses I.E Commands of God, but the CUSTOM, the HABITS, the TRADITIONS. The issue outright from the start is Pharisaic traditions and regarding those that keep them as clean, and those that do not as unclean.
The parties involved were these "some men" who were saying that people are unclean if they're not circumcised in the manner of the customs, which prompted a dispute with some of the believers among the Pharisees that agreed that circumcision and Law observance is to happen

I'm going to pause there an start building the context that lead to this. If we rewind prior to this event, we know that this dispute about being unclean and making bread unclean was addressed by the Savior

The Pharisees and some of the scribes gathered around Him when they had come from Jerusalem, 2 and had seen that some of His disciples were eating their bread with impure hands, that is, unwashed. 3 (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they carefully wash their hands, thus observing the traditions of the elders; 4 and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless they cleanse themselves; and there are many other things which they have received in order to observe, such as the washing of cups and pitchers and copper pots.) 5 The Pharisees and the scribes *asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with impure hands?” 6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me. 7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’

8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. Mark 7:1-8

They regarded eating with unwashed hands as unclean, they forbid it. They also washed themselves coming back from the market where unclean people sold unclean things. The Pharisees were regarding people as unclean that do not follow the traditions of MEN, which they equated to being equal with the commands of God. Alright, bring that back to Acts 15 where some men were saying this

Acts 15:5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.”

Now there is a group of Pharisees that are investigating the claim of "some men" from Judea who were saying that anyone that doesn't obey our customs is unclean. They investigated the matter and had come to the conclusion that it is necessary to circumcise them and direct them to observe the Law of Moses.
Paul gives us more insight on this event and how it affected Peter 

Galatians 2
But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. 13 The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?

"Some men" and their pushing tradition and regarding gentiles as unclean, lead a group of these influential Pharisees astray. Peter, fearing these influential Pharisees stopped eating with Gentiles in order to compel the Gentiles to succumb to the TRADITIONS OF THE PHARISEES. This results in Paul rebuking Peter. We don't have word as to how much weight that rebuke held. What we do have though is God rebuking Peter in a manner that held

Acts 10 

On the next day, as they were on their way and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. 10 But he became hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance; 11 and he *saw the sky opened up, and an object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground, 12 and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air. 13 A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!” 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.” 15 Again a voice came to him a second time, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.” 16 This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.

Peter became hungry and was desiring to eat. While they were making preparations, we don't know if that meant slicing bread for sandwiches or the set up for the washing of the hands, but when Peter ate HE HAD BEEN WITHDRAWING FROM THE GENTILES REGARDING THEM AS UNCLEAN. He has this vision from God who tells him not to consider unclean what He has made clean- Using the imagery of cleaning and unclean animals at the hour Peter would be withdrawing from Gentiles regarding them unclean.

Acts 10 Now while Peter was greatly perplexed in mind as to what the vision which he had seen might be, behold, the men who had been sent by Cornelius, having asked directions for Simon’s house, appeared at the gate; 18 and calling out, they were asking whether Simon, who was also called Peter, was staying there. 19 While Peter was reflecting on the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you.

As Peter was asking God "what does that even mean, What are you trying to say to me???" Gentile men from a Gentile house appeared to him and requested that at the time when he would have been separating from Gentiles and regarding them as unclean, that he come to this famous Gentiles place.

Acts 10:27As he talked with him, he entered and *found many people assembled. 28 And he said to them, “You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him; and yet God has shown me that I should not call any man unholy or unclean.

The Commands of God NEVER call the Gentile unclean and it NEVER says to not associate with a foreigner, THOSE ARE PHARISAIC TRADITIONS. If the Torah was not for Gentiles, then would God say over (Leviticus 18:26 ) and over (Leviticus 22:18-21) and over (Leviticus 24:16) and over ( Leviticus 24:22) and over (Numbers 9:14) and over (Numbers 15:15-16) and over (Numbers 15:29-30) and over (Deuteronomy 16:13-15 ) and over (Deuteronomy 26:10-11) and over (Deuteronomy 31:9-13) and over (Ecclesiastes 12:13)  again that it is? Peter preaches the Gospel to them and there is an OUTBREAK OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD. Peter then understands while standing in the room full of Gentiles who have the Spirit of God poured out on them, who were being regarded as unclean by "Some men'' and Pharisees, being told that they had to be circumcised and follow Customs and Traditions and the Commands of God all to be saved and favored by God- did NONE of that and were harboring the indwelling Spirit of God just as they were.

While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. 45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.

The group that had come with Peter of the Circumcision, are amazed seeing the same thing that Peter is seeing. After seeing this happen, He goes back to the group of Pharisees who heard about the whole thing and they have questions.

Acts 11:1 Now the apostles and the brethren who were throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2 And when Peter came up to Jerusalem, those who were circumcised took issue with him, 3 saying, “You went to uncircumcised men and ate with them.”

Some of this circumcised believing group was upset that Peter had violated the traditions, just like many of the Pharisees were upset at the Savior Yeshua for violating the traditions of handwashing. Peter retells the whole story and the result is this

8 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”

This brings us to the conclusion of the totality of the Jerusalem council and the matter of if Gentiles can be saved and THEN learn the commands of God, or if they had to follow the Commands of God the way the Pharisees do it- In order to be saved. That conclusion is that they should start with 4 commands that won't get them removed from the assembly and that they are to come and learn the Commands of God each Sabbath when it is preached.

Acts 15:21 For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

However, that doesn't settle the matter completely. That only deals with the group of believing Pharisees. Not the unbelieving ones that are still telling Gentiles that they have to convert, follow the customs, get cut, and follow the Law of God. 

Which brings us to Paul writing to the Gentiles in Colossians encouraging them to not be pressured by these Pharisees that are pressuring them to convert and to stop keeping the Sabbath or the commands because they're not "Jewish". They're trying to dissuade the people they regard as unclean for not converting, from obeying the commands of God, performing them without the traditions of the elders which they regard as being equal to the commands themselves. Let's look in Colossians 2 with Paul's warning/ encouragement to new converts

 Col 2 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. 18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind 19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.

Don't let them tell you that you can't eat bread because you didn't buy a copper pot and say their specific prayers over the water, just like they tried to do with Christ. They're performing rituals and motions but they're not attached to the HEAD, the MEANING , the SOURCE of what those things mean which is CHRIST who rebuked them for doing those things INSTEAD of the COMMANDS OF GOD. He continues 

20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as, 21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men? 23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.

Paul is directly calling out these Pharisees and teaching people to not obey them or their teachings! It's not the commands of God that are the self made religion, it's the customs and traditions of the elders. Having died with Christ, you don't need this man-made push for ritualistic conversion to be saved because you are saved. Your act of circumcision for the purpose of conversion would be severe treatment of the body and self -abasement... you don't need to do that for Salvation. Don't let them tell you a different Gospel contrary to having faith, believe, Christ will lead you and the Spirit of God will guide you in walking according to His Law and what His righteousness means instead of the filthy rags of flesh.

We know this is what Paul means because the angry mob tries to kill him for it. 

Acts 21;27

When the seven days were almost over, the Jews from Asia, upon seeing him in the temple, began to stir up all the crowd and laid hands on him, 28 crying out, “Men of Israel, come to our aid! This is the man who preaches to all men everywhere against our people and the Law and this place; and besides he has even brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place.” 29 For they had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian in the city with him, and they supposed that Paul had brought him into the temple.

So you have one group of Pharisees saying that you have to convert to their traditions to be saved, and then you have Paul and the rest saying that you're saved THEN you keep the commands of God, not before. With keeping this idea of eating and not eating and matters of conscience that might offend another in mind, let's look at Romans 14

 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this—not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way. 14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil; 17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For he who in this way serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. 19 So then we pursue the things which make for peace and the building up of one another. 20 Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are clean, but they are evil for the man who eats and gives offense. 21 It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother stumbles. 22 The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.- Romans 14:13-23

Paul is addressing Eating and not Eating things that are food- this does not apply to things that God has said are not food. What is the process of eating and not eating? Fasting. Times of fasting is being addressed in Romans 14 when it refers to days and we can see this because the Pharisees made a complaint to Christ. 

 

8 John’s disciples and the Pharisees were fasting; and they *came and *said to Him, “Why do John’s disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees fast, but Your disciples do not fast?” 19 And Jesus said to them, “While the bridegroom is with them, the attendants of the bridegroom cannot fast, can they? So long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast. 20 But the days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast in that day. - Mark 2:18-20

In Romans 14, Paul is addressing that in Christ all foods are clean, He's addressing that everything that God has already deemed food by scripture in the word of God is food of faith; and eating things that are not food, not to be eaten according to the Word of God, is unclean and not of faith.  Now with this Pharisees traditions of saying that they get to define things that God says are food in faith, and deciding which days to fast, and saying that in order to be saved you have to convert and follow the Traditions and the Law of God first before being saved- This is a gospel that is different than the gospel that the Apostles were preaching which taught that you were saved first, and then obedient to the Law of God and under no obligation to keep Pharisees traditions/ Oral law.  Now read Galatians with the knowledge that Paul is NOT preaching against God's Law/ his commandments, but these Pharisees

6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ -Galatians 1:6-7

Paul goes on to cite the very incident in Acts 15 

 Then after an interval of fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along also. 2 It was because of a revelation that I went up; and I submitted to them the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but I did so in private to those who were of reputation, for fear that I might be running, or had run, in vain. 3 But not even Titus, who was with me, though he was a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised. 4 But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage- Galatians 2:1-4

So there it is. The full on Pharisees vs Gentiles matter and the case of Pharisees traditional law vs God's Law. Pharisees trying to be justified by works to be saved, and people of faith justified by faith that results in works.