tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-49548308611665998772024-03-05T06:47:32.900-08:00The Giant SlayerThis is a place where I post my thoughts on God, man, sin, death, failure, triumph and all the laughter and anguish that they produce.The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.comBlogger207125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-25265813303399150962024-02-09T14:39:00.000-08:002024-02-09T22:59:35.192-08:00Breakdown of Jude <p></p><p>What is Jude talking about ?<br /><br /></p><blockquote>For certain people have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into indecent behavior and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.</blockquote><br /> People that are appearing to be of Salvation, that are trusting that they are secure and are actually marked for destruction. This is used is example in several following verses, noting the context is those who presume to be secure, and are then destroyed. <p></p><blockquote> Now I want to remind you, though you know everything once and for all, that the Lord, after <u>saving a people out of the land of Egypt</u>, <u>subsequently destroyed those who did not believe</u>. - Jude </blockquote><br />Taken from a place - Egypt <br />Then- Destroyed <br /><br /><br />Of note is that in this following verse, it is the only place angels are mentioned, where as translators add the word angels in two other verses to reconstruct the meaning of the text to be a doctrine regarding angels rather than about those who are putting trust in something other than God and following through with faith obedience.<br /><blockquote> And angels who did not keep their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling place, these He has kept in eternal restraints under darkness for the judgment of the great day</blockquote><p><br />Angels had a place- Heaven <br />Then- Chained in darkness for judgement day <br /><br /></p><blockquote> just as <u>Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them</u>, since they in the same way as these indulged in sexual perversion and went after strange flesh, <u>are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment</u> of eternal fire.- Jude</blockquote><p><br />A secure place - Sodom and Gomorrah <br />Then- like the cities surrounding were destroyed for sexual deviance <br /><br /> People try to take verses 6,7, and 8 to be speaking about angels falling and engaging in sex presumably to try and build a case for fallen angels being sons of God and drawing off of extrabiblical enoch text... but a huge problem is that the word angels or angelic isn't in verse 7 and 8 and as is done with other passages like Job- assumptions are made and then built upon. Jude states that the angels are in darkness awaiting judgement day, Enoch says that they are cast to earth, develops genitals , enter covenant relationships with earth women rather than fornicate, and sire a race of have angel- half human breed of Giants. In the effort to shoehorn this text to make it say something to affirm that doctrine <br /><br /><br /></p><blockquote>Yet in the same way these people also, dreaming, defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak abusively of majesties. 9 But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the <u>devil</u> and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him an abusive judgment, but said,<u> “The Lord rebuke you!”</u> 10<u> But these people disparage all the things that they do not understand</u>; and all the things that they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed. - Jude </blockquote><p>Again. the context is a reverence for God and not a debased fleshly assurance or slander. Rather than this being an Extrabiblical showdown of the angels and the Devil of which we would have to look elsewhere than the scripture to find, I find that the reasoned explanation is that the body of Moses in question is not the physical bones of the Prophet, but rather a reference to the church and the argument with Joshua the High priest.<br /><br /></p><blockquote> Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right to accuse him. 2 And the Lord said to Satan,<u> “The Lord rebuke you,</u> Satan! Indeed, the Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a log snatched from the fire?” 3 Now Joshua was clothed in filthy garments and was standing before the angel. 4 And he responded and said to those who were standing before him, saying, “Remove the filthy garments from him.” Again he said to him,<u><b> “See, I have taken your guilt away from you and will clothe you with festive robes.” 5 Then I said, “Have them put a clean headband on his head.” So they put the clean headband on his head and clothed him with garments, while the angel of the Lord was standing by</b></u>.- Zechariah 3:1-5</blockquote>He continues to say that in obedience faithfulness leads to being a member of the house of God <br /><br /><br /><blockquote> And the angel of the Lord admonished Joshua, saying, 7 “The Lord of armies says this: ‘If you walk in My ways and perform My service, then you will both govern My house and be in charge of My courtyards, and I will grant you free access among these who are standing here. - Zechariah 3:6-7</blockquote>Note that this interpretation, without sensational interpretation, now fits not only within the bounds of established scripture but also fits with the context of Jude in that it is about humbly serving God and that faithfulness will be rewarded INSTEAD of spewing slander and turning aside to the works of the flesh. <br /> <br /><blockquote>Woe to them! For<u> they have gone the way of Cain</u>, and f<u>or pay they have given themselves up to the error of Balaam</u>, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. 12 These are the ones who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, <u>like shepherds caring only for themselves;</u> clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees<u> without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted;</u> 13 wild waves of the sea, churning up their own shameful deeds like dirty foam; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of darkness has been reserved forever. -Jude </blockquote>Who was Cain, He was man who was offering sacrifices to God who was warned by God that sin was looking to rule over him but he must master it, just like the context of these men in Jude that they must not trust in anything but God and continue in faithfulness not trusting in self or or position or place or even man made doctrine. Now lets look at an objection regarding a prophesy that people say is quoting from extrabiblical sources such as Enoch:<br /><div> </div><blockquote> It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying,Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, 15 to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”</blockquote><ul><li>the Lord</li><li>with Holy Ones</li><li>and to repay the ungodly of their deeds </li></ul><br />Matthew 16:27 <br /><blockquote>For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.</blockquote><ul><li>The Lord</li><li>with holy ones </li><li>repaying the ungodly of their deeds</li></ul><br />Psalms 149<br /><p></p><p></p><blockquote>For the Lord takes pleasure in His people; He will beautify the afflicted ones with salvation. 5 Let the godly ones exult in glory; Let them sing for joy on their beds. 6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, And a two-edged sword in their hand, 7 To execute vengeance on the nations And punishment on the peoples, 8 To bind their kings with chains And their nobles with fetters of iron,9 To execute on them the judgment written;This is an honor for all His godly ones. Praise the Lord!</blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><ul><li>The Lord </li><li>With Holy ones</li><li>repaying the ungodly for their deeds</li></ul><br /> Matthew 25 <p></p><p></p><blockquote><p>“But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.</p><p>34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. ... 40 The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’</p><p>41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; ... 44 Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”</p></blockquote><p></p><p></p><ul><li>The Lord</li><li>With Holy ones</li><li>repaying the ungodly for their deeds</li></ul><br />2 Thessalonians 1<br /><p></p><blockquote>This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.</blockquote><br /><ul><li> The Lord </li><li>With Holy ones </li><li>repaying ungodly for their deeds. </li></ul><br />As seen here the Judes prophesy is found in scripture without Enoch. Enoch being used to doesn't mean that Christ or Jude thought that Enoch was scripture any more than Paul citing Pagan philosophers and poets to convey a utilitarian truth. <br /><br /><p></p><p>Pagan authors quoted or alluded to are:</p><p></p><blockquote><p>Menander, Thais 218, quoting Euripides,"Evil company corrupts good habits" (1 Corinthians 15:33)</p><p>Epimenides, de Oraculis, (Titus 1–12:13) where Paul introduces Epimenides as "a prophet of the Cretans"; see Epimenides paradox)</p><p>Aratus, Phaenomena 5, (Acts 17:28 where Paul refers to the words of "some of your own poets")</p></blockquote><p>None of these are scripture or considered scripture and it would be wrong to do so. <br /><br /><br /><br />Acts 17 <br /></p><blockquote><blockquote> The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; 25 nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things; 26 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, 27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 <u>for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.</u>’ 29 Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man. 30 Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance,<u> God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, 31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”</u></blockquote></blockquote><p>Returning back to Jude we can see that Jude is quite likely referencing Zechariah in context with the mentioning of the garments <br /><br /></p><p></p><blockquote>But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, 18 that they were saying to you, “<u>In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.</u>” 19 <u>These are the ones</u> who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. 20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21<b><u> keep yourselves in the love of God, looking forward to the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. </u></b>22 And have mercy on some, who are doubting; 23 save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, <b style="text-decoration-line: underline;">hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.</b>- Jude</blockquote><u><b></b></u><p></p><p>The unclean garment, just like in Zechariah taking the unclean and giving clean<br /><br /></p><blockquote> “See, I have<u> taken your guilt </u>away from you and <u>will clothe you with festive robes.</u>” 5 Then I said, “<u>Have them put a clean headband on his head.”</u> <u>So they put the clean headband on his head and clothed him with garments, while the angel of the Lord was standing by</u> -Zechariah 3:4-5</blockquote>In conclusion Jude is not about angel sex or quoting a prophecy from an external source its about our security not being in a place, a doctrine, ourselves, or our flesh. It is found in Christ alone, and we must be faithful and humble that He clothed in Him and His righteousness. <br /><br /><p></p><p></p><blockquote>24 Now to<u> Him who is able to protect you from stumbling</u>, and<u><b> to make you stand in the presence of His glory, blameless with great joy,</b></u> 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority before all time and now and forever. Amen.</blockquote><p></p><p> Amen. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-3099707580170220042024-01-14T20:02:00.000-08:002024-01-14T20:02:10.690-08:00Jude's Prophesy <p>Jude 1:14<br /><br /></p><blockquote> It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying,Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, 15 to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”</blockquote><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>the Lord</li><li>with Holy Ones</li><li>and to repay the ungodly of their deeds </li></ul><br />Matthew 16:27 <br /><blockquote>For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.</blockquote><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>The Lord</li><li>with holy ones </li><li>repaying the ungodly of their deeds</li></ul><br />Psalms 149<br /><p></p><p></p><blockquote>For the Lord takes pleasure in His people; He will beautify the afflicted ones with salvation. 5 Let the godly ones exult in glory; Let them sing for joy on their beds. 6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, And a two-edged sword in their hand, 7 To execute vengeance on the nations And punishment on the peoples, 8 To bind their kings with chains And their nobles with fetters of iron,9 To execute on them the judgment written;This is an honor for all His godly ones. Praise the Lord!</blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>The Lord </li><li>With Holy ones</li><li>repaying the ungodly for their deeds</li></ul><br /> Matthew 25 <p></p><p></p><blockquote><p>“But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.</p><p>34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. ... 40 The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’</p><p>41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; ... 44 Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”</p></blockquote><p></p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>The Lord</li><li>With Holy ones</li><li>repaying the ungodly for their deeds</li></ul><br />2 Thessalonians 1<br /><p></p><blockquote>This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.</blockquote><br /><ul style="text-align: left;"><li> The Lord </li><li>With Holy ones </li><li>repaying ungodly for their deeds. </li></ul><br />As seen here the Judes prophesy is found in scripture without Enoch. Enoch being used to doesn't mean that Christ or Jude thought that Enoch was scripture any more than Paul citing Pagan philosophers and poets to convey a utilitarian truth. <br /><br /><p></p><p>Pagan authors quoted or alluded to are:</p><p></p><blockquote><p>Menander, Thais 218, quoting Euripides,"Evil company corrupts good habits" (1 Corinthians 15:33)</p><p>Epimenides, de Oraculis, (Titus 1–12:13) where Paul introduces Epimenides as "a prophet of the Cretans"; see Epimenides paradox)</p><p>Aratus, Phaenomena 5, (Acts 17:28 where Paul refers to the words of "some of your own poets")</p></blockquote><p>None of these are scripture or considered scripture and it would be wrong to do so. <br /><br /><br /><br />Acts 17 <br /></p><blockquote> The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; 25 nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things; 26 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, 27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’ 29 Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man. 30 Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, 31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”</blockquote><br /><br /><br /><p></p>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-38530200874584446422024-01-11T18:28:00.000-08:002024-02-05T21:05:11.333-08:00A SCRIPTURAL profile of Nephilim <p></p><p>Often it is said that there are two theories about who the Nephilim were and who were the Sons of God. Based on texts that are not the Bible, some have interpreted sons of God to mean fallen angels and the Nephilim as to be the sons of those fallen angels. Those that disagree with that interpretation are usually labeled as holding the Sethite view, that the sons of God were just a righteous lineage of Seth who replaced the slewn Abel as a son of Adam. However, what I am seeing is that neither are quite accurate as I intend to show you. Its not lineage at all, its heart and obedience. The only lineage element is when the unrepentant sins of the fathers being adapted as sins of the sons also. Lets get started as there is a bit do go over. <br /><br /></p><blockquote> נְפִיל nᵉphîyl, nef-eel'; or נְפִל nᵉphil; from H5307; properly, <b>a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant</b>:—g<u>iant.</u></blockquote><br /><br /><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhHYgRI8V55xazupt-xW24STeiJke5qaYVm4K0YE1yropG8KrVSoqS7YBPxvsqlIpHf09wILgdwCmxFsX3BuPMHU_f32EmLC4iWoJ_MX14EgxLJ5OzOeo9khBFWqUoJFkxnZXrEHMBME5dinxl8qXZCmFbUx23mKkrbezVCnTMLz5XQkLOGsQ5xUfT79Ek" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="497" data-original-width="597" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhHYgRI8V55xazupt-xW24STeiJke5qaYVm4K0YE1yropG8KrVSoqS7YBPxvsqlIpHf09wILgdwCmxFsX3BuPMHU_f32EmLC4iWoJ_MX14EgxLJ5OzOeo9khBFWqUoJFkxnZXrEHMBME5dinxl8qXZCmFbUx23mKkrbezVCnTMLz5XQkLOGsQ5xUfT79Ek" width="288" /></a></div><br /><br />The root word shows its not about sky giants, but its about those who fall away from obedience and faith, ceasing to be cultivators, they become destroyers.... hunters. Orion is the constellation for the hunter. As the Hebrew- Chaldee Lexicon shows, it is incorrect to ascribe the Nephilim to be large in body over the definition of being bully/tyrant/ hunters that strike down- Fellers of men and armies. I'll get to the large in body in a moment but we can see the definitions as cast down like excommunication, or cut down like death as in extinguishing a life, or in some aspects to seemingly just lay down as is surrender like one would abandoning the faith.<br /> <br /><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhLvWeJVoeY0Wm_SqSwaGAITsBhF6KdzvetMCh3U8BtIjL8Rv_1Ii2lxFUa2vI4BDiLhSA8hpmDkkqwVoH01ItCuGE_hODw30YEpjG5hHHvQO8WRGdLEd2pCrTIlQpVwLqjb5piSO3ODAKOX3Iiy84S6Rsywoc5i_IT78Usq0YnbaJb8ZBTBQy4OZe13So" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="674" data-original-width="698" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhLvWeJVoeY0Wm_SqSwaGAITsBhF6KdzvetMCh3U8BtIjL8Rv_1Ii2lxFUa2vI4BDiLhSA8hpmDkkqwVoH01ItCuGE_hODw30YEpjG5hHHvQO8WRGdLEd2pCrTIlQpVwLqjb5piSO3ODAKOX3Iiy84S6Rsywoc5i_IT78Usq0YnbaJb8ZBTBQy4OZe13So" width="249" /></a></div><br />We can see examples of these hunters that reject the ways of God and embrace actively walking contrary to them. <br /><br /><p></p><blockquote><p>Gen 8 Cain told Abel his brother. And it came about when they were in the field, that <u>Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him.</u></p><p>9 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” And he said, “I do not know. Am I my brother’s keeper?” 10 He said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to Me from the ground. 11 <u>Now you are cursed from the ground,</u> which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12 When you cultivate the ground,<u> it will no longer yield its strength to you; you will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth.” </u><u>Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, </u>and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.</p></blockquote><p></p><p><br /><br />Cain parallels Esau<br /></p><blockquote> Gen 27 :39 Then Isaac his father answered and said to him, “Behold, <u>away from the fertility of the earth shall be your dwelling</u>, <u>And away from the dew of heaven from above.</u> 40 <u>“By your sword you shall live, </u><u>And your brother you shall serve</u>; But it shall come about when you become restless, That you will break his yoke from your neck.” 41 So Esau bore a grudge against Jacob because of the blessing with which his father had blessed him; and Esau said to himself, “<u>The days of mourning for my father are near; then I will kill my brother Jacob.” </u></blockquote><u></u><br />It isn't a Linage that made men Nephilim, it is actions. It is a heart posture that abandons faith and walks in the ways contrary to God. <br /><br /><div>1 John 3 </div><div>11 For this is the message which you have heard<u> from the beginning, that we should love one another</u>; 12<u> not as Cain, who was of the evil one and slew his brother.</u> And<u> for what reason did he slay him? Because his deeds were evil, and his brother’s were righteous. </u></div><br />Malachi 1: 2 “I have loved you,” says the Lord. But you say, “How have You loved us?” “Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “<u>Yet I have loved Jacob; 3 but I have hated Esau</u>, and I have made his mountains a desolation and appointed his inheritance for the jackals of the wilderness.”<br /><br />Who's son was Cain? Was it not Adam's Son? The designation of being a son is based on ACTION. <br /><br /><blockquote>Gen 4:Now <u>the man had relations with his wife Eve</u>, and she conceived <u>and gave birth to Cain</u>, and she said, “I have gotten a manchild with the help of the Lord.”</blockquote><br />Cain was born to Adam and Eve but he was cut off from the family based on his actions and rejection of the ways of God, and he BECAME and killer, Tyrant, Bully, Mighty one, Feller of his brother... He became a Nephilim. The son of Cain, followed in his fathers footsteps in the rejection of the ways of God, as Lamech engages in polygamy and murder<br /><br /><blockquote>Gen4:19 Lamech <u>took to himself two wives</u>: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other, Zillah. ... 23 Lamech said to his wives, “Adah and Zillah, Listen to my voice, You wives of Lamech, Give heed to my speech, <u>For I have killed a man for wounding me; And a boy for striking me</u>; 24 If <u>Cain is avenged sevenfold, Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold</u>.”</blockquote><p> </p><blockquote>Gen 28:8 So Esau <u>saw that the daughters of Canaan<b> displeased his father</b> Isaac</u>; 9 and<u> Esau went to Ishmael, and married</u>,<u> <b>besides the wives that he had</b>,</u> Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael, Abraham’s son, the sister of Nebaioth.</blockquote><br /><br /><p></p><blockquote>Gen 10 <br />8 Now Cush became the father of Nimrod; he became<u> a mighty one on the earth</u>. 9 He was <u>a mighty hunter</u> before the Lord; therefore it is said, “Like <u>Nimrod a mighty hunter</u> before the Lord.” 10 T<u>he beginning of his kingdom was Babel</u> and Erech and Accad and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.</blockquote><blockquote> 1 Chron 1:10 Cush fathered Nimrod;<u> he began to be a mighty one </u>on the earth.</blockquote><br /><br />What does Nimrod mean? <br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhTwtOWns_e40i4bQ9UaseOvwOUMIchoKQeCyQGYRvWYC5eAjEcpLQW20Z8G0V0RxKvcSaa9ItxrzWNzdOGL_PNXW0v6fgjVsGtPaNGGvDvTrh0GEY1kmytI7JhP6m1xiXlrj43Ux7I3YuDArxjWceFNNCUXcwXzmg485vUvKHicfMI-eNgrXS49Et0Gw0" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="151" data-original-width="737" height="66" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhTwtOWns_e40i4bQ9UaseOvwOUMIchoKQeCyQGYRvWYC5eAjEcpLQW20Z8G0V0RxKvcSaa9ItxrzWNzdOGL_PNXW0v6fgjVsGtPaNGGvDvTrh0GEY1kmytI7JhP6m1xiXlrj43Ux7I3YuDArxjWceFNNCUXcwXzmg485vUvKHicfMI-eNgrXS49Et0Gw0" width="320" /></a></div><br /><br />It means "rebellion". Nimrod was a "Mighty one," Genesis 6:4 states that the mighty ones were men of renown. Men. Men of violence. He was a hunter just like Esau who wanted to kill his brother. He was in rebellion like Cain who rejected the ways of God. He founded Babylon which was a testament to Man instead of God. <br /><br /><br /><blockquote>Gen 27 :39 Then Isaac his father answered and said to him, “Behold, <u>away from the fertility of the earth shall be your dwelling</u>, And away from the dew of heaven from above. 40 <u>“By your sword you shall live, </u><u>And your brother you shall serve</u>; But it shall come about when you become restless, That you will break his yoke from your neck.” 41 So Esau bore a grudge against Jacob because of the blessing with which his father had blessed him; and Esau said to himself, “<u>The days of mourning for my father are near; then I will kill my brother Jacob.” </u></blockquote><u></u><p></p><p><br /><br /></p><p>Look at Goliath as he was one of these mighty ones, </p><p><br /></p><blockquote> 1 Samuel 17:<u>Then a champion </u>came out from the armies of the Philistines named Goliath, from Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span. 5 He had a bronze helmet on his head, and he was clothed with scale-armor which weighed five thousand shekels of bronze. 6 He also had bronze greaves on his legs and a bronze javelin slung between his shoulders. 7 The shaft of his spear was like a weaver’s beam, and the head of his spear weighed six hundred shekels of iron; his shield-carrier also walked before him. </blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p>His gear was about 2-300 lbs for a man of 7 to 9ft. he was a destroyer, one that made a reputation as a champion of the philistines, a killer, a feller of armies and men. Goliath was a descendant of Anak </p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>Numbers 13 interprets the Nephilim as giants, </li><li>Numbers 13 connects the Nephilim with the sons of Anak (the Anakim).</li><li> Joshua 11 notes that the Anakim were driven to into Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod.</li><li>1 Samuel 17 says Goliath was from Gath and that he was a giant.</li></ul><p></p><p>Why are their giants? Why do they have 6 fingers and toes? The answer to this is so simple its easy to overlook. Sin. Deuteronomy 27 just to name a few things <br /><br /><br /></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>Cursed is he who dishonors his father or mother.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’</li><li> ‘Cursed is he who strikes his neighbor in secret.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’<br /><br /></li><li>‘Cursed is he who accepts a bribe to strike down an innocent person.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’</li><li>‘Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’</li></ul><p></p><p><br />it continues in the next chapter <br /><br /></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>“The Lord will send upon you curses, confusion, and rebuke, in all you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and until you perish quickly,<u><b> on account of the evil of your deeds</b></u>, <u><b>because you have forsaken Me</b></u>. 21 The <u><b>Lord will make the pestilence cling to you until He has consumed you</b></u> from the land where you are entering to possess it. 22 The Lord will smite you with consumption and with fever <u>and with inflammation</u> and with fiery heat and with the sword and with blight and with mildew, and they will pursue you until you perish</li></ul><br /><ul style="text-align: left;"><li> “If you are not careful to observe all the words of this law which are written in this book, to fear this honored and awesome name, the Lord your God, 59 <u><b>then the Lord will bring extraordinary plagues on you and your descendants, even severe and lasting plagues, and miserable and chronic sicknesses.</b></u></li></ul><br />Sin and rebellion against the ways of God, Faith in God, and loving God, and walking with God, results in disease and hereditary afflictions such as but not limited to Gigantisms which is a tumor on the pituitary gland, and Polydactyly. Deuteronomy 28 gives us reasons for the genetic attributes of Giants- but it is the CHOICE of ACTION and the REJECTION of GOD and GOD'S WAYS that make them Nephilim. Look back at the context of Genesis 6 <br /><br /><br /><blockquote>6 Now it came about, when men [ Human men] began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them [Secular daughters of these human men] , 2 that the sons of God [Believers] saw that the daughters of men[ Secular women] were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “<u>My Spirit shall not strive with man</u> [ Human men]<u> forever</u>, because he also is flesh[ still human men]; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”</blockquote>Men were being lead away from the faith and obedience by enticing women, JUST LIKE WITH BALAAM <br /><blockquote>{Numbers 31 And Moses said to them, “<u>Have you spared all the women? 16 Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the Lord i</u>n the matter of Peor,<u> so the plague was among the congregation of the Lord. }</u></blockquote><u><br /></u><br /><blockquote> 4 The Nephilim [ Hunter/ Bully / Tyrant/ Murderers] were on the earth<u> in those days</u>, and also afterward, <u>when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men</u>, and they bore children to them. <u><b>Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.</b></u></blockquote><u><b><br /></b></u><br /><br /><br /><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgo39VCYqClUHf-yLtMfk9U7qu-pyNxA3QbOd4iaBXU6jnM4nBwg8Ge1skwecsT0Y_F4eOpQZl-nO56_LzkrduXEeMX0B6PHEMCv0ZSUeuAthiHy6q0DPBe8c7LeTE7Hwh9BnJdZE1FUGolZRTs28NVRhlGlHKwW_lpNVKgkOP8yCOm5is6JwgADLmC2f4/s1057/Nephilm%20chart%202.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="713" data-original-width="1057" height="432" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgo39VCYqClUHf-yLtMfk9U7qu-pyNxA3QbOd4iaBXU6jnM4nBwg8Ge1skwecsT0Y_F4eOpQZl-nO56_LzkrduXEeMX0B6PHEMCv0ZSUeuAthiHy6q0DPBe8c7LeTE7Hwh9BnJdZE1FUGolZRTs28NVRhlGlHKwW_lpNVKgkOP8yCOm5is6JwgADLmC2f4/w640-h432/Nephilm%20chart%202.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><p></p><blockquote>5 Then the Lord saw<u> that the wickedness of man was great on the earth</u>, and that <u><b>every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.</b></u> 6 The Lord was sorry<u><b> that He had made man</b></u> on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 The Lord said, “<b><u>I will blot out man whom I have created </u></b>from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 <u>But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.</u></blockquote><u></u><p></p><p></p><blockquote>9 These are the records of the generations of Noah. <u>Noah was a righteous man,</u> blameless in his time; <b><u>Noah walked with God</u></b>. 10 Noah became the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.</blockquote><p></p><p></p><blockquote>11 Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God<b><u>, and the earth was filled with violence.</u></b> 12 God looked on the earth, and behold, <u><b>it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth. </b></u>13 Then God said to Noah, “<u><b>The end of all flesh </b></u>has come before Me; <b><u>for the earth is filled with violence because of them; and behold, I am about to destroy them </u></b>with the earth. </blockquote><p></p><p><br /><br /><br />Adam was a shepherd, cultivator who beared the image of God <br />Abel was a shepherd and offered what was good and his deed were righteous before God <br />Noah was a shepherd and found favor in the eyes of God doing what is good. <br />Jacob was a shepherd cultivator who didn't choose multiple wives he was tricked into it <br />David was s shepherd and a cultivator <br /><br />Cain rejected the ways of God and became a killer - decultivator <br />Esau rejected the ways of God and became a hunter- decultivator<br />Nimrod was a mighty one that made Babel in defiance of God and was a hunter- decultivator <br /><br />What we see in Genesis 6 is not angel demon babies being born and the union of spirits and women resulting in God killing all the men in the world but it being about violence for some reason. What we see is that Actions, choices... that is what makes one a son of God <br /><br /><br />Even Josephus in Antiquities of the Jews points to this in regards to Nimrod he writes:<br /><br /></p><p></p><blockquote><p>God also commanded them to send colonies abroad, <u>for the through peopling of the earth</u>; that<u> they might not raise seditions among themselves</u>, but might cultivate a great part of the earth, <u>and enjoy its fruits after a plentiful manner</u>. But they were so ill instructed, <b>that they did not obey God</b>. For which reason they fell into calamities, and were made sensible by experience of what sin they had been guilty of. For when they flourished with a numerous youth, God admonished them again to send out colonies<b><u>. But they imagining the prosperity they enjoyed was not derived from the favour of God, but supposing that their own power was the proper cause of the plentiful condition they were in, did not obey him.</u></b> Nay they <u><b>added to this their disobedience to the divine will,</b></u> the suspicion that they were therefore ordered to send out separate colonies, that, being divided asunder, they might the more easily be oppressed. 2. Now it was <u>Nimrod who excited them to such an affront and contempt of God</u>. He was the grand-son of Ham, the son of Noah:<u> a bold man, and of great strength of hand.</u> <u>He persuaded them not to ascribe it to God, as if it was through his means that they were happy; but to believe that it was their own courage which procured that happiness.<b> He also gradually changed the government into tyranny; seeing no other way of turning men from the fear of God, but to bring them into a constant dependence on his own power. </b></u>He also said, “He would be revenged on God, if he should have a mind to drown the world again: for that he would build a Tower too high for the waters to be able to reach<u><b>; and that he would avenge himself on God for destroying their fore-fathers.</b></u>”</p></blockquote><p></p><p><br />Nimrod, this mighty one - this Nephilim- Is creating violence against the ones who are obedient farmers in the faith, for the purpose of getting them to reject God, and become dependant upon his hand. Another way of saying this is that "the Nephilim were on the earth, and made violence against God imposing tyranny and lead the sons of God astray" <br /><br /></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>1 John 3:10, <u>By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious</u>: anyone <u>who does not practice righteousness is not of God,</u> nor the one who does not love his brother.</li><li> Deut 14:1-2,<u>You are the sons of the Lord your God</u>; you shall not cut yourselves nor shave your forehead for the sake of the dead. 2 For you are a holy people to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.</li><li> Romans 8:14,14 For <u>all who are<b> being led by the Spirit</b> of God,<b> these are sons</b> of God.</u></li><li> Romans 8:19, For the anxious<u> longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.</u></li><li>Romans 9:25-27, As He says also in Hosea, “I will call those who were not My people, ‘My people,’ And her who was not beloved, ‘beloved.’” 26 “And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘you are not My people,’<u> There they shall be called sons of the living God.”</u> 27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Though the number of the sons of Israel be like the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that will be saved;</li><li>Galatians 3:26,<u> For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.</u></li><li>Galatians 4:6, <u>Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts,</u> crying, “Abba! Father!”</li><li>Luke 6:35, But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, <u>and you will be sons of the Most High</u>; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.</li><li> 1 Chron 17:13-16, <u> I will be his father and he shall be My son; and I will not take My lovingkindness away from him</u>, as I took it from him who was before you. 14 But I will settle him in My house and in My kingdom forever, and his throne shall be established forever.”’” 15 According to all these words and according to all this vision, so Nathan spoke to David.16 Then David the king went in and sat before the Lord and said, “Who am I, O Lord God, and what is my house that You have brought me this far?</li><li> Luke 20:34-36 Jesus said to them, “T<u>he sons of this age</u> marry and are given in marriage, 35 but <u>those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead</u>, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 for <u>they cannot even die anymore</u>, because they are like angels, and<u> are sons of God,</u> being sons of the resurrection.<br /><br /><br />There are no verses that say Angels are sons of God anywhere in scripture unless the reader inserts it into the text based not on the Word of God, but based on their own suppositions from outside the word of God <br /><br />Job 1, and 2 are referencing the faithful obedient men of God appearing before the Lord at the 3 appointed feasts. As it states in Exodus 23 and 34<br /><br /><blockquote> 17 Three times a year <u>all your males</u>(sons) <u>shall appear before the Lord God</u>.</blockquote><blockquote>23 <u>Three times a year all your males are to appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel.</u> 24 For I will drive out nations from you and enlarge your borders, and no one will covet your land<u> when you go up three times a year to appear before the Lord your God.</u></blockquote><br /><br /> If we take Job 38 where God is condescending concepts to Job and mentions stars singing and Sons of God, we still would have to inject angels as one of these two things- in a poetic passage that also states that ice comes from "lady parts". This would also indicate that God wasn't down dressing Job verbally, but that Job was actually at creation during its formation as God says "tell me who laid the foundation because surely you were there". Its a hyperliteralism fallacy. <br /><br /><br />So to recap, No sons of God aren't angels falling and taking earth wives and making giant babies. Nor are the sons of God just a specific line of Seth. Its what it means to be adopted sons of God. Grafted in to His house. </li></ul><p></p>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-78584961317808195392023-12-12T01:12:00.000-08:002023-12-12T17:12:07.575-08:00Fallen Dominion. <p> A commentary on Genesis and Dominion. </p><p><br /></p><p>Our God is a God of order.</p><p><br /></p><p>When we think about the creation of man back in the garden God decided to make Man in His image. HE made Man and gave him dominion over the earth. Was this dominion to control and oppress the creatures that God had just made in a form of harsh slaveship? I don't think so. He created man and had him give all the animals names and he was to cultivate the earth. Cultivate, dominion. TO tend to the ground and care for it that it may yield fruit the way it is intended to. </p><p></p><blockquote><p>Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the Lord God had not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground.</p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p> The Lord God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed. Man's purpose before the fall was to exercise his dominion </p><p><br /></p><p></p><blockquote>The Lord God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there<u> He placed the man </u>whom He had formed. 9 Out of the ground the Lord God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.</blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p> Then the Lord God took the man and<u> put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it</u>. </p><p>He wasn't oppressing the land by tending his dominion. He was operating in his Divinely assigned role. God did not make woman first and give her this role of dominion over the earth. God did not make woman at the same moment as man to share in this dominion. Instead, Man was alone in his dominion and God said it wasn't good that he be in solitude/ alone. </p><p><br /></p><p></p><blockquote>Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, <u>and brought them to the man to see what he would call them</u>; and <u>whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.</u> 20 <u>The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field</u>, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him.</blockquote><p></p><p>Still within the dominion of Adam, in his reflection of the Creator, he is ruling and giving names to that which is in his dominion. God puts a sleep over Adam and instead of creating independently from the dirt again as with Adam and giving her the same dominion and creation as Adam- God takes the woman from the rib of Adam. </p><p></p><blockquote> So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. 22 The Lord God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man,<u> and brought her to the man</u>. 23 <u>The man said</u>, “This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; <u>She shall be called Woman</u>, Because she was taken out of Man.”</blockquote><p></p><p>Who gives woman her name? Adam. Who gives Adam his name? God. The reflection of God is present in this creation. She is created by God and by Adam. Adam not only titles her woman, but gives her the name Eve as is his role given to him by God, of dominion. </p><p><br /></p><p></p><blockquote><p> Then God said, “Let <u>Us make man </u>in Our image, according to Our likeness; <u>and let them rule</u> over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”</p><p>God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and <u>subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth</u>.”</p><p></p></blockquote><p>It is stated that Man is the covering over the woman just as the example of The Father being over Christ, The King being over the Bride, so is the Husband over the Wife. The royal kingdom set up of a king and queen has the king ruling with the queen at his side- yet he is still the one in dominion. </p><p></p><blockquote> For a <u>man </u>ought not to have his head covered, <u>since he is the image and glory of God</u>; but the <u>woman</u> is<u> the glory of man</u>. 8 <u>For man does not originate from woman</u>, but<u> woman from man</u>; 9 for indeed<u> man was not created for the woman’s sake</u>, but <u>woman for the man’s sake</u> -1 Cor 11</blockquote><p></p><p>When God gave the command to not eat of the tree He didn't give it to the woman. </p><p></p><blockquote>Then the Lord<u> God took the man and put him into the garden</u> <u>of Eden to cultivate</u> it<u> and keep it.</u> 16 The<u> Lord God commanded the man</u>, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”</blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p>Who is the first person to add to the commands of God? The woman </p><p></p><blockquote><p> 2 The <u>woman said to the serpent</u>, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3 but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it <u>or touch it</u>, or you will die.’”</p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p></p><blockquote>For God knows that in the day you eat from it<u> your eyes will be opened</u>, and<u> you will be like God</u>, <u>knowing good and evil</u>.”When the woman saw that <u>the tree was good for food</u>, and that<u> it was a delight to the eyes</u>, and that <u>the tree was desirable to make one wise</u>, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.</blockquote><p></p><p>The woman was deceived, but the scripture points out that sin entered through Adam. <br /><br />The Lie was that it will:</p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>open your eyes </li><li>make you like God </li><li>know good and evil </li></ul><p></p><p>The Temptation was that :</p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>"good for food"</li><li>"delight to the eyes"</li><li>"make one wise</li></ul><p></p><p><br /></p><p>One of the definitions of Know/yada is to declare. Mankind has been declaring good and evil instead of what GOD defines as good and evil, and this includes the roles given to us by God. We have opened our eyes to sin, and have made ourselves like God in our declaration. It is for this reason there is such indignation by the Savior to the Pharisees who set aside the commands of God for the sake of their own traditions- going so far as to say that they declare what is and isn't food based on ritual hand washing traditions of the elders. The delight of self made wisdom rather than the wisdom of God. </p><p></p><blockquote>They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 Then <u>the Lord God called to the man</u>, and said to him, “Where are you?” </blockquote><p></p><p>God walking in the garden does not call out "Egalitarian couple of equality, where would both of you be located?" He calls out to the man as it was his duty and role to walk in the dominion of which he was given. </p><p></p><blockquote>10 He said, “I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself.” 11 And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?” 12 The man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate.” 13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” And the woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”</blockquote><p></p><p>Adam, instead of accepting the responsibility for his choice to disobey God, BLAMES HIS WIFE even though ADAM was not the one deceived by the Serpent because Adam had the command directly from the mouth of God. Adam had ceased to reflect the nature of God's guardianship by ignoring the word of God and surrendering his dominion. </p><p></p><blockquote>To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet <u>your desire will be for your husband</u>, And <u>he will rule over you</u>.”</blockquote><p></p><p>The Judgement of God to the woman is that she will have pain in childbirth (which she still does) and Her desire will be for her husband (dominion) but He shall rule over her( Dominion). We know this is the right meaning that the desire is to be in dominion over her husband as its used in the next chapter as with Cain and his sin offering. Compare:</p><p></p><blockquote><p><br /></p><p>To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your <u><b>desire</b></u> (H8669 tᵊšûqâ) will be for your husband, And he will <u><b>rule </b></u> (H4910 māšal)over you.” </p><p> If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its<u><b> desire</b></u> (H8669 tᵊšûqâ) is for you, but you must <u><b>master</b></u> (H4910 māšal) it.”</p><p></p></blockquote><p>But what does God say to the man? </p><p></p><blockquote><p>Then to Adam He said, “<u>Because<b> you have listened</b> to the voice of your wife</u>, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’; <u>Cursed is the ground because of you</u>;In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. 18 “<u>Both thorns and thistles </u>it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field; 19 By the sweat of your face<u> You will eat bread</u>, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return.”</p></blockquote><p></p><p>God states clearly that because Adam took the Egalitarian position and passed his dominion role over and followed his wifes doctrine given to her by the serpent, That now his role is going to be much much much harder. The ground is cursed because of Adam. The arena of his dominion has been infected </p><p>Again I highlight the Pharisees issue of calling eating bread unclean if you eat it with unwashed hands... as it seems to completely dismiss the decree of God that one will toil in the dirt and eat the bread. </p><p><br /></p><p>Now, in the context of Adam and the Dominion of which He was supposed to lead and guard and care and cultivate both the ground- which is polluted by sin based on Adams dominion, and care for his wife, who was given to him to help reflect the image of God let's look at a few passages. </p><p></p><blockquote> Therefore, just as <b>through <u>one man</u></b> sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned - Romans 5:12</blockquote><p></p><p>Eve didn't doom humanity, Adam did. Adam is who I see at fault. Adam chose, He was not deceived. </p><p><br /></p><p>NOW look at 1 Timothy 2</p><p></p><blockquote> 12 But I <u>do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man</u>, but to remain quiet. 13 <u>For it was Adam who was first created</u>, and <u>then Eve.</u> 14 And<u> it was not Adam who was deceived</u>, but<u><b> the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.</b></u> </blockquote><p></p><p>Paul is making direct reference to Adam and Eve in the Divine order of dominion not as a personal opinion but in the order that God instructs. God did not create man to destroy the world, but to give him careful dominion and stewardship that full prosperity may be maintained. The reason that women are scripturally not permitted to be in authority over men and be pastors is that it is a direct reference to this. God spoke to the man, man spoke to the woman. God led the man, man led ( or was supposed to ) the woman. NOW look at the example in scripture even closer in this context of Ephesians 5</p><p></p><blockquote><p>22 <u>Wives, <b>be subject</b> to your <b>own husbands</b>, <b>as to the Lord</b>.</u> 23 For <u>the husband is the head of the wife</u>, as<b> Christ also is the head of the church</b>, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But <u>as the church is subject to Christ</u>, so also <u>the wives ought to be to their husbands <b>in everything</b></u>.</p><p>25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 so that <u>He might sanctify her</u>, <u>having cleansed her </u>by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. 28<u> So husbands ought also to love their own wives</u> as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; 29 for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, 30 because we are members of His body. </p><p></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>Just as Adam was given Dominion to care for and steward the earth he was given his wife to care for watch over, TO WASH HER, CLEANSING HER - that is dominion language, not in a oppressive pejorative way but in a way of LOVE and deep tender care AS HE IS TO LOVE HIS OWN FLESH! </p><p>And the wife, She is STILL called like Eve, to submit to her husband in everything and RESIST that desire over him to seize dominion!!! As a wife refuses to allow her husband's leadership per Divinely appointed call, She actively resists GOD and the reflection of the order that HE put in place. She not only defies GOD's call over her husband, BUT ACTIVELY REJECTS GOD'S CALL OVER HER OWN LIFE in the way she was created to reflect HIS GLORY </p><p>When women reject the order that God has set to reflect HIM And HIS order and defiantly take to the pulpits declaring themselves to be pastors over the men and congregations They have absolutely and unequivocally eaten a doctrine from the adversary of which they have been deceived as being good for food, a delight to the eyes, and having made them wise. </p><div><br /></div>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-33873496324826260492023-12-10T14:45:00.000-08:002023-12-15T14:34:00.168-08:00Woe Man <p><br />-Gen 3:16<br />To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth, In pain you shall deliver children; Yet your desireH8669 will be for your husband, And he shall rule H4910 over you.”<br /><br />- Gen 4:7<br />“If you do well, will your face not be cheerful? And if you do not do well, sin is lurking at the door; and its desire H8669 is for you, but you must master H4910 it.” <br /><br /><br />Isaiah 3:11 Woe to the wicked! It will go badly with him, For what he deserves will be done to him.<br />12 O My people! Their oppressors are children,<u> And women rule over them. O My people! Those who guide you lead you astray And confuse the direction of your paths.</u><br /><br /><br /> 1 Tim 2:11 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. <u>14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. </u>15 But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.<br /><br /></p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>Numbers 31:15And Moses said to them, “Have you spared all the women?16<u>“Behold, they caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to be unfaithful to the LORD</u> in the matter of Peor, so that the plague took place among the congregation of the LORD!</li><li>Revelation 2 :14‘But I have a few things against you, because you have some ther<u>e who hold the teaching of Balaam,</u> who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit sexual immorality.</li></ul><p></p><p><br /><br /></p><p>Judges 4 :1<u>Then the sons of Israel again did evil in the sight of the Lord</u>, after Ehud died. 2 And the Lord sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, who reigned in Hazor; and the commander of his army was Sisera, who lived in Harosheth-hagoyim. 3 The sons of Israel cried to the Lord; for he had nine hundred iron chariots, and he oppressed the sons of Israel severely for twenty years.<br /><br /></p><p>Judges 3<br /></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>The Israelites cried out to the LORD. SO THE LORD RAISED UP Othniel son of Kenaz, Caleb’s youngest brother, as a deliverer to save the Israelites.</li><li>Then the Israelites cried out to the LORD, AND HE RAISED UP Ehud son of Gera, a left-handed Benjaminite, as a deliverer for them. The Israelites sent him with the tribute for King Eglon of Moab.” </li></ul><p></p><p>Why does in not say that the Lord raised up Deborah?<br /><br /></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>She said, “I will surely go with you; nevertheless, the honor shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hands of a woman.”</li></ul><br />Dishonor to the Man = his honor given to the woman <br /><br /><p></p><p style="text-align: left;"></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li> Moses' wife circumcised his kids to save her husband's life, and this was a righteous act where Moses was not operating in the area of which he was to be operating. Did this make Moses wife a pastor/ Overseer ?No. did it make her a woman that did a righteous act when a man had not done what he was supposed to and his life was at stake? Yes. </li><li>What about Miriam? Wasn't the thing that she grumbled saying was that "we all hear from God" asserting that there was no difference between her , Aaron and Moses? Yet, only she was put outside the camp for a sin that encompassed her and Aaron. The point alludes to Miriam making an assertion to be in the same positioning as her Male brothers. The result is that she is set outside the camp for 7 days, where a Priest would have to come and check to see if she was healed of her leprosy in order to be readmitted to the camp.</li></ul><p></p><p style="text-align: left;"><br />1 Cor 14:34 <br /></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35 If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. 36 Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only? 37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment. 38 But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized</li></ul><br /><br /> Ephesians 5:22-24<br /><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.-</li></ul><br />1 Peter 3 <p></p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, 2 as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior. 3 Your adornment must not be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses; 4 but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God. 5 For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands; 6 just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear.7 You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered.</li></ul><p></p><p style="text-align: left;"><br />Titus 2:4-5<br /><br /></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li> so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored. </li></ul><p></p><p>There are examples of headship/authority all over the scriptures and commands of God</p><p><br /></p><p> - Numbers 30:3-5</p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li> Also if a woman makes a vow to the Lord, and binds herself by an obligation in her father’s house in her youth, 4 and her father hears her vow and her obligation by which she has bound herself, and her father says nothing to her, then all her vows shall stand and every obligation by which she has bound herself shall stand. 5 But if her father should forbid her on the day he hears of it, none of her vows or her obligations by which she has bound herself shall stand; and the Lord will forgive her because her father had forbidden her.</li></ul><p></p><p>By the Headship/Authority of the father, the woman breaking a vow is not under penalty This same authority set up is for husbands to wives </p><p>- Numbers 30:6-8</p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li> However, if she should marry while under her vows or the rash statement of her lips by which she has bound herself, 7 and her husband hears of it and says nothing to her on the day he hears it, then her vows shall stand and her obligations by which she has bound herself shall stand. 8 But if on the day her husband hears of it, he forbids her, then he shall annul her vow which she is under and the rash statement of her lips by which she has bound herself; and the Lord will forgive her. </li></ul><p></p><p><br /></p><p>- Numbers 5:19-20;29</p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>The priest shall have her take an oath and shall say to the woman, “If no man has lain with you and if you have not gone astray into uncleanness, being under the authority of your husband, be immune to this water of bitterness that brings a curse; 20 if you, however, have gone astray, being under the authority of your husband, and if you have defiled yourself and a man other than your husband has had intercourse with you” This is the law of jealousy: when a wife, being under the authority of her husband, goes astray and defiles herself</li></ul><p></p><p style="text-align: left;"><br /><br />If we take an egalitarian approach to 1 timothy and the ORDER in which is outlined, then what we are saying at the core is that WE are equal to Christ- that there is no Divine authority and that We are co- authority with God and this is at its core the the doctrine of Eve in the garden being tempted by the fruit- that she would be like God knowing good and evil and have her eyes opened. <br /><br />God made things in the ORDER in which He chose. He DECIDED to make man first. He THEN gave Man dominion. He THEN made woman. When Eve ate first and then Adam , God called out to Adam. God did not call out to both of them equally saying "humans what happened". <br /><br /><br /><br /></p><p style="text-align: left;"></p><ul style="text-align: left;"></ul><ul style="text-align: left;"></ul>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-10861519679564396952023-11-27T00:42:00.000-08:002023-12-22T21:06:03.246-08:00Historic Lies<p></p><blockquote> "Many of those who say that they confess Jesus, and are called Christians, eat meats offered to idols, and declare that they are by no means injured in consequence. Confessing themselves to be Christians, and admitting the crucified Jesus to be both Lord and Christ, yet not teaching His doctrines, but those of the spirits of error. ...[They are those who] teach to blaspheme the Maker of all things, and Christ, who was foretold by Him as coming, and the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, with whom we have nothing in common, since we know them to be atheists, impious, unrighteous<u>, and sinful, and confessors of Jesus in name only, instead of worshipers of Him</u>. Yet they style themselves Christians, just as certain among the Gentiles inscribe the name of God upon the works of their own hands, and partake in nefarious and impious rites. Some are called Marcians, and some Valentinians, and some Basilidians, a<u>nd some Saturnilians</u>, and others by other names; each called after the originator of the individual opinion...the name of the father of the particular doctrine"- Justin Martyr</blockquote><div><span style="color: #37474f; font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="letter-spacing: 0.25px;"></span></span></div><blockquote>"Finally, in 1550, Calvin managed to get the Genevan authorities to outlaw Christmas and to mandate that communion would be celebrated only on Sundays, and not on “superstitious” pagan dates like December 25. Indeed, on December 25, 1550, the city council sat for business as usual, the courts were in session and businesses were all open under penalty of fine. Calvin, as usual, gave his weekday sermon on a book of the Old Testament and noticed something that upset him: there were more people in church than on a typical weekday. A committed soldier in the war on Christmas, Calvin boomed from the pulpit:<br />I see more people than usual at sermon today. And why? It’ s Christmas day. And who told you? It seems so [to be a holy day] to poor beasts. There’ s the fitting label for all who came to sermon today in honor of the feast… But if you think that Jesus Christ was born today, you are beasts, indeed, rabid beasts."</blockquote><div><span style="color: #37474f; font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="letter-spacing: 0.25px;"></span></span></div><br /><p></p><p>The Zondervan Pictorial Encyclopedia of the Bible:</p><p></p><blockquote><p>"Gradually a number of prevailing <u>practices of the nations</u> into which Christianity came were assimilated and ...were combined with the religious ceremonies surrounding Christmas. <u>The assimilation of such practices generally represented efforts by Christians to transform or absorb otherwise pagan practices.</u></p><p><u>The Feast of Saturnalia</u> in early Rome, for example, was celebrated for 7 days from the 17th to the 24th of December and <u>was marked by a spirit of merriment, gift giving to children and other forms of entertainment.</u> Gradually, early Christians replaced the pagan feast with the celebration of Christmas; b<b><u>ut many of the traditions of this observance were assimilated and remain to this day a part of the observance of Christmas.</u></b> Other nations, the Scandinavians, Germans, French, English and others, have left their mark . . . as well (pp. 804, 805)."</p></blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p>The Christian Encyclopedia</p><blockquote><p>"Various symbolic elements of the pagan celebration, such as the lighting of candles, evergreen decorations, and the giving of gifts, were adapted to Christian signification. Later as Christianity spread into northern Europe, the Celtic, Teutonic, and Slavic winter festivals contributed holly, mistletoe, the Christmas tree, bonfires, and similar items."</p><p></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>Unger's Bible Dictionary:</p><p><br /></p><p></p><blockquote>"<u>The giving of presents was a Roman custom</u>; while the yule tree and yule log are remnants<u> of old Teutonic nature worship</u>. Gradually the festival sank into mere revelry . . . . The custom was forbidden by an act of parliament in 1555; And the reformation brought in a refinement in the celebration of Christmas by emphasizing it Christian elements."</blockquote><p></p><p>The Bible </p><blockquote>“But for the cowardly, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and sexually immoral persons, and sorcerers, and idolaters, <u>and all liars</u>, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8</blockquote><p><br /><br />We KNOW that the customs of Christmas are pagan in origination. We KNOW that the pagan customs were infused by men who called themselves "Christians" but were not. Tares. The ones that are false. Liars. If ALL liars are destined for the lake of fire, then it MUST include those that preach that the pagan customs are of Christ. <br /><br />and if WE are professing believers, WE should not be lying about <br /><br />Santa<br />Elves on Shelves<br />or That God does not care about how we worship Him. </p><p></p><p></p>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-1199416585605388262023-11-11T02:22:00.003-08:002023-11-11T02:32:40.361-08:00Rebuke <p> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WH0ZYQs5W0">Heretical Teaching </a><br /><br />☝This is a link to a Heretical Teaching by Salem Reformed Baptist Chruch. <br />👇This is my 10 page rebuke <br /><br /></p><p>"not paying attention to Jewish myths and commandments of men who turn away from the truth. "</p><p><br /></p><p>The commands of God are not Jewish myths nor are the commandments of men. They are Divine Law.</p><p><br /></p><p>We are part of the New Covenant if we are SAVED. ONCE we are ALREADY SAVED, Hebrews 10 states that as New Covenant believers have the Law of God on their hearts and on their minds. </p><p><br /></p><p>False teachers are recognized by the ones that teach that we should not obey the Law of God as Christ Himself states we should do and Keep the Law of God in Matthew 5 </p><p><br /></p><p></p><blockquote> “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.</blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>To talk about doctrinal purity, What is good Doctrine:</p><p>Proverbs 4:2 </p><p></p><blockquote>For I give you good doctrine: Do not forsake my law.</blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p>The Law is not for salvation, but it is for good doctrine, for identifying what sin is, and what it isn't. What righteousness is, and what it isn't as it is written:</p><p></p><blockquote>1 John 3:4 Everyone who does sin also does lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. </blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p>And Again in 2 Thes chapter 2:</p><p></p><blockquote> For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 8 And then that lawless one will be revealed—whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming— 9 whose coming is in accord with the working of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of unrighteousness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 And for this reason God sends upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in unrighteousness.</blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p>You go on to speak on Ephesians and how Ministers are to teach obedience to Christ, Paul mentioned what equips men who are saved to do this. </p><p><br /></p><p>2 Timothy 3</p><p></p><blockquote>But you continue in the things you learned and became convinced of, knowing from whom you learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to make you wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be equipped, having been thoroughly equipped for every good work.</blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p>The sacred scriptures for teaching being referred to here are God's commandments as its said "Abraham believed and then obeyed God's commandments" </p><p><br /></p><p>You go on to mention that Satan's schemes against the church and seeks to harm through false teachings. This is correct. </p><p>Revelation 12:17</p><p></p><blockquote>17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman and went off to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the witness of Jesus.</blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p>Satan hates those that follow God's commandments, those holding to the sacred scriptures as paul mentioned, those that love the truth that the Psalmist mentions is God's Law- ALONG with their faith in Christ. He's not attacking those who are teaching "do not follow God's law"...He's attacking those that are living like Christ out of a response to their salvation of Grace alone and walking in Sanctification., repentance, obedience. </p><p><br /></p><p>In the last days some will depart from the faith and turn to teachings of demons. We already saw where Christ in Matthew 5 says do and keep the Law, so what would the position of these demons be? I already mentioned 2 thes. 2 and the Man of lawlessness and those who are lawless and God allows a deluding Spirit over them because they didn't love the Truth, wouldn't the doctrines of demons be to disregard what God says to follow and obey? </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>You mention to look away from false teachers and instead to look to Christ. </p><p>Matthew 7:21-23</p><p></p><blockquote>21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, in Your name did we not prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’</blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>would it be fair to say that the false teachers were advocating a total disregard for the Law of God, and did not have it on their heart and mind as New Covenant believers? </p><p><br /></p><p>What about this passage in Matthew 13</p><p>1 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the fiery furnace; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.</p><p><br /></p><p>Is it the ones who are Pro- Law or Pronomian that are thrown in the fire with the stumbling blocks and taken OUT of the kingdom? </p><p><br /></p><p>When we read 2 Tim 4</p><p> For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.</p><p><br /></p><p>When Christ said to do and teach the law, and we have good doctrine as being not forsaking the law, then wouldn't it make sense that the false itching ears pastors would be telling people not to regard those pronomians who profess that we are saved by grace through faith alone and that should result in obedience and repentance? </p><p><br /></p><p>Acts 15 was teaching that to be saved a person had to convert to Judaism and that something a person physically did allowed them to be Jewish and then once they obeyed the law they could be saved. This is not a pronomian position. This is a heresy, that as scripture points out, began in Acts 15. </p><p><br /></p><p>Peter points out in Acts 15 that they ( Jews) were never saved by keeping the law or circumcision and that it would be unjust to start such a practice and apply it to the gentiles. Scripture clearly states taht Abraham was not saved by circumcision, He was saved by grace through faith. Hebrews 11 list all the patriarchs of the faith as being saved the same way, so the heresy that BEGAN in acts 15 is NOT what the Hebrew faith had been from Sinai to Christ- Those who teach this do not have a firm grasping of the scriptures and are in danger of being the very false preachers that they seek to stand against. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>When you look at Acts 15:21 you will see that the conclusion of the council was that the gentiles ( the subjects at hand) have 4 elementary rules and that they hear the Law of God preached every sabbath. There is no command against child sacrifice in Acts 15, but we would be foolish to think that God does not have that standard for Gentile believers who as they are saved are turning to repentance. In fact, If the Torah was not for Gentiles, then why does God say over (Leviticus 18:26 ) and over (Leviticus 22:18-21) and over (Leviticus 24:16) and over ( Leviticus 24:22) and over (Numbers 9:14) and over (Numbers 15:15-16) and over (Numbers 15:29-30) and over (Deuteronomy 16:13-15 ) and over (Deuteronomy 26:10-11) and over (Deuteronomy 31:9-13) and over (Ecclesiastes 12:13) again that it is?</p><p><br /></p><p>Godly men should lead the church, which is why I agree with the Psalmist who tells us how men can keep their way pure </p><p></p><blockquote><p>Psalm 119:9-11</p><p>9 How can a young man keep his way pure?</p><p>By keeping it according to Your word.</p><p>10 With all my heart I have sought You;</p><p>Do not let me stray from Your commandments.</p><p>11 Your word I have treasured in my heart,</p><p>That I may not sin against You.</p></blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p>If a teacher is teaching that by obeying the commands of God one is creating disorder or sin or some how promoting a condemnation or falsehood, THAT teacher THEMSELVES would be preaching contrary to the Word of God </p><p><br /></p><p>There is a group that was false teaching that to be saved one had to be circumcised and to keep the law- to be saved- this is heresy. On the opposite side of this false doctrine, is another false doctrine that is equally heretical, and that is those that become antinomian in doctrine and disregard God's righteousness and substitute their own interpretations of the Word rather than what God's standards are. They are choosing what THEY call righteous instead of what God says is righteous. </p><p><br /></p><p>I am glad that you welcome public rebuke of harmful teachings. Please let this serve as such as it applies. I Must rebuke antichrist/antinomian doctrine that you may correct accordingly and conform to walking in the manner of Christ our Savior. </p><p><br /></p><p>God's law is not Jewish myths. The commands are the Law of God . It says to avoid foolish controversies it does not say avoid important discussions regarding the very things that Christ HIMSELF says that HE did not come to abolish AND HE tells us that we are to both DO and TEACH, as those that are the least who do not do and teach them will be likened to the stumbling blocks and cast OUT of the kingdom on that day when they come to Christ when they might say "we kept so much order in your church and appointed elders" but He says Depart from me you who practice LAWLESSNESS I never knew you. </p><p>If you are saved, and are walking by the Holy Spirit, The Spirit convicts you of Sin, and Sin is the violation of God's Law. If you take issue with this, then you are chastising the Holy Spirit of God as being a judaizer and not welcomed in your church. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>You cite Paul to advocate not being Pronomian, but in doing this you are the very thing that Peter warns us about in 2 Peter 3 </p><p>14 Therefore, beloved, since you are looking for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard lest you, having been carried away by the error of unprincipled(antinomian) men, fall from your own steadfastness </p><p><br /></p><p>Paul even went so far as to perform sacrifices after the death and resurrection of Christ for the EXACT purpose to prove WRONG those who are saying what you are preaching here. Acts 21:18-24;26 </p><p></p><blockquote><p><br /></p><p>18 And the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 And after he had greeted them, he began to relate one by one the things which God did among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; 24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law. 26Then Paul took the men, and the next day, purifying himself along with them, went into the temple giving notice of the completion of the days of purification, until the sacrifice was offered for each one of them.</p></blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p>Would the teaching of demons advocate obeying God the way that God tells us to obey Him? That doesn't make sense. </p><p><br /></p><p>You now cite the passage regarding itching ears doctrines. It is interesting that you cite this if you are holding an antinomian position as this states clearly that these people seek teachers to indulge their own passions. Did you not know that the Law of God is CONTRARY to the flesh? </p><p>Romans 8:7-8</p><p></p><blockquote> because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God, for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh are not able to please God.</blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p>The Law of God is against the FLESH and that those in the FLESH cannot please God. Antinomians teach that we are not to pick up our cross and deny the flesh, the very Call of the Messiah. You cannot stay in the truth and hold to the myth indeed, abandon this myth that pronomianism is ungodly. </p><p><br /></p><p>A Myth is a fable created by MAN- like saying that obeying God's Law because you are saved is to be rebuked or is turning to error. That is a man made myth, as that doctrine is not founded in the Word of God. </p><p><br /></p><p>you rightly say that these myths were actually endorsing sinful behavior, as stated above sin is the violation of God's Law and disregard of God's commands and therefore you perpetuating the myth that Christ and Paul were against the Law of God is spreading the very Myths that the elders in the church are put in place to protect against. </p><p><br /></p><p>To be clear, you are saying that at Sinai, after freeing Israel from bondage and leading them into freedom by faith- God gave them ungodly directives and doctrines of demons? That's what you are saying when you call the Word of God, God's self disclosure to the World, oppression. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>In Mark 7, Christ is rebuking the Pharisees for their made up man made traditions that became the Talmud and the Mishna, not for matters concerning God's Law. The issue was that Pharisees were trying to rebuke them for not partaking in TRADITIONAL handwashing and matters that by their TRADITIONS they were saying made men and bread unclean. Please note that in this passage that Christ rebukes them over and over and over again for not only their traditions BUT FOR SETTING ASIDE THE COMMANDS OF GOD - WHICH IS WHAT THE THRUST OF YOUR ENTIRE MESSAGE IS ENTAILING. Christ is not rebuking the Pharisees for obeying God's law, He's rebuking them for NOT obeying it. Therefore it is not the man who obeys God's Commands who is like the pharisaic judaizer- IT IS THE RELIGIOUS MAN WHO BY HIS OWN INTERPRETATIONS AND TWISTING OF SCRIPTURES DISREGARDS THE COMMANDS OF GOD </p><p><br /></p><p>You bring up sound doctrine again, so allow me to break this down </p><p><br /></p><p>Before we were saved we continually violated God's Law. </p><p>We were saved by Grace through faith, and Titus 2:11-14 says that Grace redeems us from every lawless deed. </p><p>Once we are saved, we are to repent from sin, and sin is lawlessness 1 john 3:4. </p><p>We are to live according to Christ's example, who was perfectly obedient to the Law of God as if He sinned He can't be the Savior. </p><p>As we are repentant, we are walking in the Holy Spirit- who convicts us of Sin which is a violation of God's Law. </p><p>We are part of the New Covenant, which is the Law of God written on our hearts by that same Holy Spirit so that we may obey God,as Hebrews 10 states, quoting Jeremiah 33. </p><p>Peter warns us to not interpret Paul's writings as saying not to obey God's Law in 2 Peter 3:14-17</p><p>We are not not walking like the/an Anti-Christ, who is called the man of Lawlessness, and people who follow them are under a delusion according to 2 thes 2. </p><p>We are called to perseverance and overcome against Satan, and the perseverance is holding to the commands of God AND the testimony of Christ, Rev. 12:17, 14:12</p><p><br /></p><p>Wouldn't it be a distortion of the word to take things that God has said in this word which are sins, and dismiss them because people may like them or to minimize them by traditions, and wouldn't that disregard for God be more of a doctrine of demons that appeases the flesh?</p><p><br /></p><p>To be a true Christian you must LOVE GOD. Loving God, according to God, will result in obedience to His ways. Read the entirety of Hebrews 11, these mere all saved by faith and it resulted in obedience, because they loved God they believed. </p><p><br /></p><p>"we had a young man visiting us but from what I heard he turned to Jewish myths and started keeping the mosaic Law" </p><p>Sir, “what you heard”? You didn't reach out to him? Did you accept whatever myth you heard about him? Aren't pastors checking on these things? IF He was going that way, why didn't you as a pastor, or get an elder, to sit with him or call him and walk with him through the scriptures that you might either win him to the truth in correcting his doctrine, OR YOU YOURSELF MIGHT REPENT OF FALSEHOOD YOU ESPOUSE FROM THE PULPIT? </p><p><br /></p><p>Now you begin to double speak when you demonize pronomians for, in your words saying "they say that the Torah is binding on us" and then you admit "The old testament is binding on us as believers in Jesus". Sir are you being deliberately obtuse in your needless division or is this a personal issue for you? Why did you diminish one party in one breath and then admit to agreement in another? </p><p><br /></p><p>I am seeing that you are having difficulty understanding the purpose of the Law, and I think you may be looking at the Law of God as being a means for salvation for people in the Old Testament. This is a common misunderstanding. From Genesis in the garden, God promised a coming Savior to redeem mankind and from the Garden anyone who was ever saved was saved by faith and it was credited to them as Righteousness. Cain and Able knew to sacrifice, Noah knew clean and unclean animals, and scripture states in Hebrews 11 that these were saved by faith, not by the Law. Now if one was thinking that performing godly actions contributed to salvation, like the men began teaching in acts 15, then yes that is falsehood and heresy and a lie from the pit of hell and bondage. HOWEVER, that is not the pronomian position. Pronomians like David, put their faith in the Messiah, Christ, The Savior of the World, The Word made flesh who dwelled among us, God incarnate. Out of that genuine and abiding love we have for God, like in any healthy relationship, we do what is pleasing to the one we love. God says rest and spend the day with Him on HIS Sabbath, rest and spend the day as prescribed in the Bible- not with man made burdensome rabbinical traditions, and not to arrogantly display an outward sense of holiness- but because WE LOVE GOD </p><p><br /></p><p>Again you are absolutely correct that there is no distinction between civil, moral, or ceremonial Law, so when Christ says that not even the smallest jot or tittle should be diminished until HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, and Peter and Revelation both State that has yet to happen, then stop teaching that it has. </p><p><br /></p><p>"if you're going to keep one you have to keep the whole thing" yes, if you are trying to earn your salvation then you would need to have never sinned, and also keep all of the Law perfectly. Thank God that isn't the pronomian position or anything that they are preaching. Thank God that the false myths pastors are spreading about pronomianism are false. </p><p><br /></p><p>I agree that Gematria and Kabbalah are weird and false. You have this correct. </p><p>Just as an atheist might label all of God's followers as immoral and evil and full of hate, so are you painting all who are obeying God's law out of a response and love of Christ's Salvation as in error. You decry much of the weirdness and fringe doctrines held by individual groups, and rightly so, but you're wrong to make it a blanket statement. Pronomians do not hold to any of those things. There are many Christians' who hold these fringe beliefs. </p><p><br /></p><p>You are right about homosexuality and other myths regarding sexual immorality. I encourage you to keep these. </p><p><br /></p><p>You brought up the dietary laws of God and conveyed much bewilderment. You liken to eating and abstaining of certain foods to be a custom of Mosaic law, and again this is an error. Again, looking back to Mark 7, the issue is Pharisaic law and the pharisees NOT following the commands of God and imposing that they have the authority to determine what is or isn't food, Not God. Christ rebukes them saying that it is what comes out of the heart that defiles a person- which is the choice to reject what GOD has said, in favor for what MAN has said. You appear do dismiss eating that which God has not called food as some little issue but PEOPLE IGNORING WHAT GOD DEFINES FOOD AS BEING AND CHOOSING TO SET ASIDE THE COMMANDS OF GOD AND EAT THAT WHICH HE HAS FORBIDDEN IS THE VERY ACTION THAT DOOMED HUMANITY AND KICKED US OUT OF THE GARDEN. IT IS A LITERAL DOCTRINE GIVEN BY A DEMON. YOU ARE IGNORING WHAT GOD DEFINES FOOD AS IN HIS WORD AND LITERALLY PREACHING THAT WE SHOULD TAKE AND EAT AND SAYING THAT IT IS GOOD FOR MAKING ONE WISE AND WE SURELY WILL NOT DIE. I cannot overstate enough the need to repent of that ideology. Our God does not change and is a provocation before Him. </p><p><br /></p><p>You have stated that in Christ we have no food laws. Setting aside that your statement contradicts you earlier point in acts 15 where gentiles are commanded to avoid meat sacrificed to idols which in of itself is a food law, I will present you with a burning question:</p><p><br /></p><p>Isaid 66 states that God will (not has, will) pour out indignation on ALL FLESH (not just Jews) who eat swine and mice and abominations BEFORE the NEw heaven and new earth are created which are spoken of in 2 Peter and Revelation 21. IF that is something that enrages GOD, whom we love- not even just the element of it being a sin which it is- but we KNOW its something that upsets our God whom we love... then wouldn't that mean that to consume these things is not an act of liberty but selfishness? Wouldn't the justification of such an action be akin to saying that "Love is Love '' to excuse adultery or fornication? The degree in which you hate sin is the degree in which you love God's Law, and friend your message is romantic to DEATH towards the flesh. </p><p><br /></p><p>How can you preach so adoringly of the Lord's Supper as a reflection of Christ, and then Dismiss GOD'S COMMANDS REGARDING WHAT IS FOOD! Both are reflections of Christ. We are of faith so we eat the things of faith that God tells us are food. Those who are not of faith eat abominations such as pork and shellfish. Again like the Pharisees, when Rebuked by Christ... You should have done the latter without neglecting the former. </p><p><br /></p><p>The dividing wall that Christ abolished was man made customs, NOT making abominations that God said not to eat into food. God never called the gentiles unclean, MAN MADE TRADITIONS DID. It was a mixed multitude that left Egypt, a mixed multitude at Sinai, and a mixed multitude that agreed to the Torah. God didn't have two separate standards of Sin, He's not a respecter of persons that says that one is a sin for a Jew and one is a sin for a gentile.... that IS A MYTH.</p><p><br /></p><p>Colossians 2 is referring to the Pharisees saying that bread was unclean if you touched it without obeying MAN MADE TRADITIONS. IT IS NOT ABOUT OBEYING GOD'S WORD!!! God's LAW IS NOT THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN THEY ARE FROM GOD!!!</p><p><br /></p><p>"all things are pure to those who are pure" This is referring to food. Bread is food. What this is not referring to is calling things God said aren't food, as food. Here is a breakdown of this concept for you <a href="https://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2023/09/you-cant-sit-with-us.html. ">https://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2023/09/you-cant-sit-with-us.html. </a></p><p><br /></p><p>Think about this in Isaiah 66 </p><p></p><blockquote><p>“For just as the new heavens and the new earth</p><p>Which I make will endure before Me,” declares Yahweh,</p><p>“So your seed and your name will endure.</p><p>23 And it shall be from new moon to new moon</p><p>And from sabbath to sabbath,</p><p>All mankind will come to worship before Me,” says Yahweh.</p><p>24 “Then they will go forth and look</p><p>On the corpses of the men</p><p>Who have transgressed against Me.</p><p>For their worm will not die</p><p>And their fire will not be quenched;</p><p>And they will be an object of contempt to all mankind.”</p></blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p>Those that eat abominations are destroyed and they will be corpses and an abhorrence. What does Revelation 21:8 say about those that ARENT in Heaven?</p><p>Revelation 21:8</p><p></p><blockquote> But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”</blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p>The abhorrence. Daniel 12 tells us the same thing</p><p></p><blockquote>And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to reproach and everlasting contempt. 3 And those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.</blockquote><p></p><p>Be obedient. If you are in Christ, you will do the things of Christ. Christ walked in obedience to the Law of God. We are to be Holy as He is Holy. We are under grace and we are under Mercy, but we are called to repent. Just as I am calling you to repent and live like Christ and die to your flesh and stop preaching the doctrine of demons, of satan, and of lawlessness.</p><p></p><p><br /></p>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-9619598309887260482023-09-07T06:49:00.001-07:002023-09-07T06:51:13.827-07:00Are The "Divine Council" "gods?"<p> ….. no.<br /><br /><br />But since you're here, let me show you what it its. <br /><br /></p><blockquote>Surely the Lord God does nothing unless He reveals<u> His secret counsel to His servants the prophets. </u>- Amos 3:7 NASB 95</blockquote><p></p><p></p><p><br />Lets look at that from a few other translations. </p><blockquote> For the Lord Jehovah doth nothing, Except He hath revealed His counsel unto His servants the prophets.- Youngs Literal Translation </blockquote><p></p><blockquote> Because the Lord YHVH will not do a thing except He has revealed His secret to His prophetic servants.- Hebrew </blockquote><p></p><blockquote>For the master God will not do anything unless he reveals his teaching to his servants the prophets -Greek Septuagint </blockquote>The council is the prophets of whom God tells His secret plans to. <br /><br /> <u></u><blockquote><u>Then God said to Noah</u>, “The end of humanity has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of people; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.-Gen 6: 13</blockquote><blockquote>The LORD said, “<u>Shall I hide from Abraham</u> what I am about to do- Gen 18:7</blockquote><blockquote>Then<u> the Lord came and stood and called as at other times</u>, “Samuel! Samuel!” And Samuel said, “<u>Speak, for Your servant is listening.</u>” 11 <u>The Lord said to Samuel, “Behold, I am about to do a thing in Israel </u>at which both ears of everyone who hears it will tingle. -1 Samuel 310-11</blockquote><p></p><p></p><blockquote>And he instructed me and talked with me and said, “<u>Daniel, I have come now to give you insight</u> with understanding. “At the beginning of your pleas the command was issued, and <u>I have come to tell you, because you are highly esteemed</u>; so pay attention to the message and gain understanding of the vision. Dan 9:22-23</blockquote><blockquote>Now <u>the word of the LORD came to me saying-</u> Jeremiah 1:4</blockquote><br /><br />God tells us Himself that there are no other "gods" in the real sense. <br /><br /><p></p><p></p><blockquote>“<u>I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God.</u> I will gird you, though you have not known Me; 6 That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun that<u> there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other,</u> 7 The One forming light and creating darkness, causing well-being and creating calamity;<u> I am the Lord who does all these</u>.- Isaiah 45:5-7</blockquote><br /><br /><blockquote>“Has a nation <u>changed gods when <b>they were not gods</b></u>? But My people have changed their glory for that which does not profit.- Jeremiah 2:11</blockquote><br /><br />SO... What do we do with things like the mention of gods of Egypt and that Psalms 82 passage? <br /><br /><p></p><p></p><blockquote>Thus says the Lord, “The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush and the Sabeans, men of stature, will come over to you and will be yours; They will walk behind you, they will come over in chains and will bow down to you; they will make supplication to you: surely, <u>God is with you, and there is none else, No other God.</u>’”- Isaiah 45 14</blockquote><br /><blockquote>How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from <u>the one and only God</u>?- John 5::44</blockquote><br /><p></p><p><u></u></p><blockquote><u>God takes His stand in His own congregation</u>; He <b>j</b><u><b>udges </b>in the midst <b>of the rulers</b>. </u>2 How long <u>will you<b> judge </b>unjustly </u>And show partiality to the wicked? Selah. 3 Vindicate the weak and fatherless; <b><u>Do justice</u></b> to the afflicted and destitute. 4 Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked. 5 They do not know nor do they understand; They walk about in darkness; All the foundations of the earth are shaken. 6 I said, “You are <u><strike>gods</strike></u> [ Elohim/Judges], And all of you are <a href="http://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2023/05/sons-of-god-verses.html">sons of the Most High.</a> 7 “Nevertheless you will die like men And fall like any one of the princes.” 8 Arise,<u> O God, judge </u>the earth! For it is You who possesses all the nations.- Psalm 82</blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjo50GgeUt249w8GT36EisAh8cmVEN8dqhXuMguqZWW3ngRgRcqDkrFr1Bnm0z_Vmpj4YZYuKCScMMrtCtmLh_cbb3u8hX-VlePPdL7PbFKUqgzBmqprZztsS0quAJGy9N-SatNZUw_3SAJr4WC-mxpAP_lV5d1t_0eG4l3VjuVxNvytsD12zl38Xe9WiU" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="177" data-original-width="804" height="70" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjo50GgeUt249w8GT36EisAh8cmVEN8dqhXuMguqZWW3ngRgRcqDkrFr1Bnm0z_Vmpj4YZYuKCScMMrtCtmLh_cbb3u8hX-VlePPdL7PbFKUqgzBmqprZztsS0quAJGy9N-SatNZUw_3SAJr4WC-mxpAP_lV5d1t_0eG4l3VjuVxNvytsD12zl38Xe9WiU" width="320" /></a></div><br /><br />The EXACT same word for "god's" in Psalm 82 is used for Judges in Exodus 21:6<br /><br />Then his master shall<u><b> bring him unto the judges;</b></u> he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.- Exodus 21:6<br /><br />It would be silly to think that God is advocating that a slave the wants to remain in his masters house because he loves him, should go before "gods"... "god's" that God has instructed us to not even mention. <br /><br /><p></p><p><br /></p><p></p>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-28736302082910804172023-09-02T03:44:00.009-07:002023-09-14T21:28:58.734-07:00You Can't Sit With Us<p> <span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> It's nearly 2am on the Sabbath and I was trying to lay in bed and pay attention to some assassin movie when God started stringing passages together in my mind. I hope that this post acts as something akin to a timeline or narrative that paints a picture to put certain passages into the right doctrinal context. There are certain passages that come up with mainstream Christian theology that tradition has passed down improper context, and Messianic theology takes them one by one and usually restores context. Instead of watching assassin movies and eating ruffles, God impressed in upon me to get out of bed and thread these passages together. </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Ultimately, These passages have one common denominator, and that is that many Jews/Pharisees believed that if you didn't obey their version of the Law of Moses (which usually includes the traditions of the elders being regarded as Commands of God) in order to be saved, you were unclean. </span></p><span id="docs-internal-guid-77df6e9f-7fff-a25f-b600-2680aa82a502"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Let's look at the issue in scripture. I'm going to do my best to do this in the right order of coherent context. Scripture wasn't written the moment it happened, but in retrospection to give an accounting of events transpired.</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /><br /></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><blockquote>Acts 15:1 <u>Some men </u>came down from Judea and <b><u>began teaching the brethren</u></b>, “<u>Unless you are circumcised </u>according to the custom of Moses, <b><u>you cannot be saved</u></b>.</blockquote></span><p></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Men were saying not only was works being done, but to be SAVED, to come into the faith you had to FIRST obey the CUSTOM of Moses. Not the Law of Moses I.E Commands of God, but the CUSTOM, the HABITS, the TRADITIONS. The issue outright from the start is Pharisaic traditions and regarding those that keep them as clean, and those that do not as unclean. </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">The parties involved were these "some men" who were saying that people are unclean if they're not circumcised in the manner of the customs, which prompted a dispute with some of the believers among the Pharisees that agreed that circumcision and Law observance is to happen</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">I'm going to pause there an start building the context that lead to this. If we rewind prior to this event, we know that this dispute about being unclean and making bread unclean was addressed by the Savior</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /><span style="font-size: 11pt;">
</span></span></p><blockquote>The Pharisees and some of the scribes gathered around Him when they had come from Jerusalem, 2 and had seen that some of His disciples were eating their<b> </b><u><b>bread</b> with impure hands</u>, that is, unwashed. 3 (For<u> the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they carefully wash their hands, thus observing the <b>traditions of the elders</b></u>; 4 and when they <u>come from the market place, they do not eat unless they<b> cleanse themselves</b></u>; and there are many other things <u>which they have received in order to observe,</u> such as the washing of cups and pitchers and copper pots.) 5 The Pharisees and the scribes *asked Him, “<u>Why do Your disciples not walk according to<b> the tradition of the elders</b></u>, but eat their bread with impure hands?” 6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:</blockquote><p></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><blockquote>‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me. 7 ‘But<u> in vain do they worship Me, <b>Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men</b>.’</u></blockquote><p></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><blockquote>8 <b>Neglecting the commandment of God</b>, you<u><b> hold to the tradition of men.”</b></u>9 He was also saying to them, <b>“You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God</b><u> in order<b> to keep your tradition</b></u><b>.</b> Mark 7:1-8</blockquote><p></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">They regarded eating with unwashed hands as unclean, they forbid it. They also washed themselves coming back from the market where unclean people sold unclean things. The Pharisees were regarding people as unclean that do not follow the traditions of MEN, which they equated to being equal with the commands of God. Alright, bring that back to Acts 15 where some men were saying this</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><blockquote>Acts 15:5 <u>But some of the sect of the Pharisees</u> who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.”</blockquote><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Now there is a group of Pharisees that are investigating the claim of "some men" from Judea who were saying that anyone that doesn't obey our customs is unclean. They investigated the matter and had come to the conclusion that it is necessary to circumcise them and direct them to observe the Law of Moses.</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Paul gives us more insight on this event and how it affected Peter </span><p></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><blockquote><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Galatians 2</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. <u>12 For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, <b>fearing the party of the circumcision.</b> 13 The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, </u>with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that <u>you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews</u>?</span></blockquote><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span><p></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">"Some men" and their pushing tradition and regarding gentiles as unclean, lead a group of these influential Pharisees astray. Peter, fearing these influential Pharisees stopped eating with Gentiles in order to compel the Gentiles to succumb to the TRADITIONS OF THE PHARISEES. This results in Paul rebuking Peter. We don't have word as to how much weight that rebuke held. What we do have though is God rebuking Peter in a manner that held </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /><br /></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Acts 10 </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><blockquote>On the next day, as they were on their way and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. 10<u> But he became hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations</u>, he fell into a trance; 11 and he *saw the sky opened up, and an object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground, 12 and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air. 13 A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!” 14 But Peter said, “<u>By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean</u>.” 15 Again a voice came to him a second time, “<u>What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.”</u> 16 This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.</blockquote><p></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Peter became hungry and was desiring to eat. While they were making preparations, we don't know if that meant slicing bread for sandwiches or the set up for the washing of the hands, but when Peter ate HE HAD BEEN WITHDRAWING FROM THE GENTILES REGARDING THEM AS UNCLEAN. He has this vision from God who tells him not to consider unclean what He has made clean- Using the imagery of cleaning and unclean animals at the hour Peter would be withdrawing from Gentiles regarding them unclean. </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><blockquote> Acts 10 <u>Now while Peter was greatly perplexed in mind as to what the vision which he had seen might be,</u> behold<u>, the men who had been sent by Cornelius</u>, having asked directions for Simon’s house, appeared at the gate; 18 and calling out, they were asking whether Simon, who was also called Peter, was staying there. 19 While Peter was reflecting on the vision,<u> the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you.</u></blockquote><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">As Peter was asking God "what does that even mean, What are you trying to say to me???" Gentile men from a Gentile house appeared to him and requested that at the time when he would have been separating from Gentiles and regarding them as unclean, that he come to this famous Gentiles place. </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><blockquote>Acts 10:27As he talked with him, he entered and *found many people assembled. 28 And he said to them, “<u>You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner </u>or to visit him; and yet<u> <b>God has shown me </b>that I should<b> not call any man unholy or unclean</b>. </u></blockquote></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">The Commands of God NEVER call the Gentile unclean and it NEVER says to not associate with a foreigner, THOSE ARE PHARISAIC TRADITIONS. If the Torah was not for Gentiles, then would God say over (Leviticus 18:26 ) and over (Leviticus 22:18-21) and over (Leviticus 24:16) and over ( Leviticus 24:22) and over (Numbers 9:14) and over (Numbers 15:15-16) and over (Numbers 15:29-30) and over (Deuteronomy 16:13-15 ) and over (Deuteronomy 26:10-11) and over (Deuteronomy 31:9-13) and over (Ecclesiastes 12:13) again that it is? Peter preaches the Gospel to them and there is an OUTBREAK OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD. Peter then understands while standing in the room full of Gentiles who have the Spirit of God poured out on them, who were being regarded as unclean by "Some men'' and Pharisees, being told that they had to be circumcised and follow Customs and Traditions and the Commands of God all to be saved and favored by God- did NONE of that and were harboring the indwelling Spirit of God just as they were. </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><blockquote> While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. 45 <u>All<b> the circumcised believers </b>who came with Peter were amazed</u>, because the gift of <u><b>the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles</b> also</u>.</blockquote></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">The group that had come with Peter of the Circumcision, are amazed seeing the same thing that Peter is seeing. After seeing this happen, He goes back to the group of Pharisees who heard about the whole thing and they have questions. </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><blockquote>Acts 11:1 <u>Now the apostles and the brethren who were throughout Judea </u>heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2 And when Peter came up to Jerusalem, t<u>hose who were circumcised took issue with him</u>, 3 saying, “<u><b>You went to uncircumcised men and ate with them.”</b></u></blockquote></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Some of this circumcised believing group was upset that Peter had violated the traditions, just like many of the Pharisees were upset at the Savior Yeshua for violating the traditions of handwashing. Peter retells the whole story and the result is this </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><blockquote>8 When they heard this, <u>they quieted down and glorified God, saying</u>, “Well then, <b><u>God has granted to the Gentiles</u></b> also the repentance that leads to life.”</blockquote></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">This brings us to the conclusion of the totality of the Jerusalem council and the matter of if Gentiles can be saved and THEN learn the commands of God, or if they had to follow the Commands of God the way the Pharisees do it- In order to be saved. That conclusion is that they should start with 4 commands that won't get them removed from the assembly and that they are to come and learn the Commands of God each Sabbath when it is preached. </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /><br /></span><p></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><blockquote>Acts 15:21 <u>For Moses from ancient generations</u> has in every city those who preach him, since he is <u>read in the synagogues every Sabbath</u>.”</blockquote><p></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">However, that doesn't settle the matter completely. That only deals with the group of believing Pharisees. Not the unbelieving ones that are still telling Gentiles that they have to convert, follow the customs, get cut, and follow the Law of God. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Which brings us to Paul writing to the Gentiles in Colossians encouraging them to not be pressured by these Pharisees that are pressuring them to convert and to stop keeping the Sabbath or the commands because they're not "Jewish". They're trying to dissuade the people they regard as unclean for not converting, from obeying the commands of God, performing them without the traditions of the elders which they regard as being equal to the commands themselves. Let's look in Colossians 2 with Paul's warning/ encouragement to new converts</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /><br /></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><blockquote> Col 2 <u>Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink</u> or in<u> respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day</u>— 17 things which are a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. 18 <u>Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement</u> and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, <u>inflated without cause by his fleshly mind</u> 19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.</blockquote><p></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Don't let them tell you that you can't eat bread because you didn't buy a copper pot and say their specific prayers over the water, just like they tried to do with Christ. They're performing rituals and motions but they're not attached to the HEAD, the MEANING , the SOURCE of what those things mean which is CHRIST who rebuked them for doing those things INSTEAD of the COMMANDS OF GOD. He continues </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><blockquote>20 <u>If you have died with Christ</u> to<u> the elementary principles of the world</u>, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as, 21<u> “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?</u> 23 These are matters which have, to be sure,<b><u> the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion </u></b>and <u>self-abasement and severe treatment of the body</u>, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.</blockquote><p></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Paul is directly calling out these Pharisees and teaching people to not obey them or their teachings! It's not the commands of God that are the self made religion, it's the customs and traditions of the elders. Having died with Christ, you don't need this man-made push for ritualistic conversion to be saved because you are saved. Your act of circumcision for the purpose of conversion would be severe treatment of the body and self -abasement... you don't need to do that for Salvation. Don't let them tell you a different Gospel contrary to having faith, believe, Christ will lead you and the Spirit of God will guide you in walking according to His Law and what His righteousness means instead of the filthy rags of flesh. </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">We know this is what Paul means because the angry mob tries to kill him for it. </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Acts 21;27</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><blockquote>When the seven days were almost over, the Jews from Asia, upon seeing him in the temple, began to stir up all the crowd and laid hands on him, 28 crying out, “<u>Men of Israel, come to our aid! This is the man who preaches to all men everywhere against our people and the Law and this place</u>; and besides he has even brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place.” 29 For they had previously seen<u> Trophimus the Ephesian in the city with him, and they supposed that Paul had brought him into the temple. </u></blockquote><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">So you have one group of Pharisees saying that you have to convert to their traditions to be saved, and then you have Paul and the rest saying that you're saved THEN you keep the commands of God, not before. With keeping this idea of eating and not eating and matters of conscience that might offend another in mind, let's look at Romans 14 </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /><br /></span><p></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><blockquote> 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this—<u>not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way</u>. 14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 For if <u>because of food</u> your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. <u>Do not destroy with your food </u>him for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil; 17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For he who in this way serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. 19 So then we pursue the things which make for peace and the building up of one another. 20 <u>Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are clean, but they are evil for the man who eats and gives offense. 21 It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother stumbles</u>. 22 The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and <u>whatever is not from faith is sin.</u>- Romans 14:13-23</blockquote><p></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Paul is addressing Eating and not Eating things that are food- this does not apply to things that God has said are not food. What is the process of eating and not eating? Fasting. Times of fasting is being addressed in Romans 14 when it refers to days and we can see this because the Pharisees made a complaint to Christ. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><blockquote>8 John’s disciples and the<u> Pharisees were fasting;</u> and they *came and *said to Him, “<u>Why do John’s disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees fast, but Your disciples do not fast?</u>” 19 And Jesus said to them, “While the bridegroom is with them, the attendants of the bridegroom cannot fast, can they? So long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast. 20 But the days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast in that day. - Mark 2:18-20</blockquote><p></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">In Romans 14, Paul is addressing that in Christ all</span><a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=lev+11&version=NASB1995" style="text-decoration-line: none;"><span style="color: #1155cc; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> foods</span></a><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> are clean, He's addressing that everything that God has already deemed food by scripture in the word of God is food of faith; and eating things that are not food, not to be eaten according to the Word of God, is unclean and not of faith. Now with this Pharisees traditions of saying that they get to define things that God says are food in faith, and deciding which days to fast, and saying that in order to be saved you have to convert and follow the Traditions and the Law of God first before being saved- This is a gospel that is different than the gospel that the Apostles were preaching which taught that you were saved first, and then obedient to the Law of God and under no obligation to keep Pharisees traditions/ Oral law. Now read Galatians with the knowledge that Paul is NOT preaching against God's Law/ his commandments, but these Pharisees </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /><br /></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><blockquote>6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ -Galatians 1:6-7</blockquote><p></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Paul goes on to cite the very incident in Acts 15 </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /><br /></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"></span></p><blockquote> Then after an interval of fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along also. 2 It was because of a revelation that I went up; and I submitted to them the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but I did so in private to those who were of reputation, for fear that I might be running, or had run, in vain. 3 But not even Titus, who was with me, though he was a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised. 4 But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage- Galatians 2:1-4</blockquote><p></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">So there it is. The full on Pharisees vs Gentiles matter and the case of Pharisees traditional law vs God's Law. Pharisees trying to be justified by works to be saved, and people of faith justified by faith that results in works. </span></p><br /><br /><br />The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-51811288132142100962023-08-30T23:38:00.024-07:002023-09-21T20:53:13.600-07:00Helper or Co-Head<div>Take a look around and compare our culture with what the word of God says we are to be and you'll see stark contrasts. We are seeing men trying to be women and women trying to be men. We're seeing attempts to be rebrand and redefine marriage . They're trying to say that men can get pregnant and have periods. They're trying to redefine what love is rather than how God and His word define it.</div><div><br /> We're to look at the word of God and conform to it, not our society around us. Our society has infiltrated the church and church structures and is trying to use the mask of sounding holy while pushing these cultural redefinitions. Why is it so important to talk about headship, and authority? Because God structured it. Because we are called to be men and women of GOD, and we are called to reflect HIS glory, which includes gender roles and the family structure. <br /><br />A lot of doctrines and ideas have been tossed around in my hearing and I usually just file them away in my mind under the heading of "something about this topic doesn't sound right: look into it later" . For example, when I looked into the "Sons of God are Angels" doctrine, I found the exact opposite to be true (this isn't yet ANOTHER post on that, its ok). Another one, which I'll be going over in this post is the "Ezer Kenegdo" and the subject of Headship/Authority. Though there is MUCH to be said about men and how men need to die to themselves to lead like Yeshua, this post is mostly going to address the aspect of women. <br /><br /></div><blockquote><div>God: Keep the Sabbath </div><div>Women: Ok</div><div>God: Don't eat unclean </div><div>Women: OK</div><div>God: Submit to your husband in everything </div><div>Women: Woah, hold on there Bud... what if...</div></blockquote><p>Sound familiar? What about this: </p><div>Women: Men should lead</div><div>Women : To be in submission to a man's authority is slavery <br /><br /></div><div>This dichotomy is a lose-lose for men that grinds away at the functionality God designed in their role as men. When looking at the origins of headship and the functionality of men and women we have to look at the first enactment thereof. One presentation of the Ezer Kenegdo/Neged is that Man and Woman are co-equal in the matters of Biblical authority. Man was created and God saw this and said it is not good for man to be alone, so He made Eve. </div><blockquote>Then the LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him.”- Gen 2:18</blockquote><p>The words used are Ezer, and Neged- but with the Hebrew grammar that turns into Kenegdo somehow, but it looks like this <br /><br /> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhCePltp45p1H53gGz4wsjeC1ApvscYNMGDEeT-u0dCms0NVKRgMOedLiXgDSp4XorGW5mMdsXHGr4MPIFULVG2e7otWv_RPzsng9pLATOVjZafNFaS-XNhFWgagXaUgf_F1UoIX6_OHFFoveFQ5CLGTNwKc5MonEmPmqzkTLbwjKKVAy89_uZRCrIjtw4" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="558" data-original-width="783" height="228" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhCePltp45p1H53gGz4wsjeC1ApvscYNMGDEeT-u0dCms0NVKRgMOedLiXgDSp4XorGW5mMdsXHGr4MPIFULVG2e7otWv_RPzsng9pLATOVjZafNFaS-XNhFWgagXaUgf_F1UoIX6_OHFFoveFQ5CLGTNwKc5MonEmPmqzkTLbwjKKVAy89_uZRCrIjtw4" width="320" /></a></div><br />What it means is a helper opposite of him. <br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEg-SZXkvL7nkBBBghOnDsO3gnzf1kFjkAJYibnmxJtBtnolsYoSpU1tGACUzBugJn4Lcf0EMowJMf7g5D9gW0nA-tacVvV7jfkaksZxhd-SV1pJugDNXPhbpJ7GGYr05UDtucpTUTPdMAfcx1E56NbKV18GIATTB_4yPWeeWoLIdHPqtXm2r8uK6zUkr-M" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="656" data-original-width="630" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEg-SZXkvL7nkBBBghOnDsO3gnzf1kFjkAJYibnmxJtBtnolsYoSpU1tGACUzBugJn4Lcf0EMowJMf7g5D9gW0nA-tacVvV7jfkaksZxhd-SV1pJugDNXPhbpJ7GGYr05UDtucpTUTPdMAfcx1E56NbKV18GIATTB_4yPWeeWoLIdHPqtXm2r8uK6zUkr-M" width="230" /></a></div>The way some people advocate the interpretation is that phrase "opposite to him" to mean equal in strength to oppose him. They use this because the term "Ezer" is used in other places to denote military assistance. One of the issues with this is that to read into it that the woman is to be the "Xena" to his "Hercules", is to injecting a narrative into the understanding when this word merely means "Helper" "sitting across from him". Advocates of this position have stated that because the word Ezer "help" is used in several places in reference to God "Helping" Israel in distress. Due to Israel asking for this "help", then in the garden when woman is made to "Help" man, she would be a Warrior instead of "Help" in response to his being one person in a kingdom of pairs. This places in woman in the position of God as the helper to Israel. If a child needs help putting their shoes on and a sibling helps(Ezer) them does this make the sibling fit for war and an equal authority in his parents house? It does not. Someone alone needs help, just as someone needs help. Eve wasn't there to wage war, She was put there to help. What war was in there in the pre-fall garden? <br /><br />To make the speculation that to be opposite of the man means to be equal in authority, but dismiss that the "curse" God gives over the woman is 1. Pain in conception. 2. pain in childbirth. 3. the desire for her husband (directly leading to) and that instead He will RULE over her. The text states that the man will have dominion over the woman <br /><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhB07TI31mQW7NQcMM-qQgDYpEjkLrPVS8se9McntAMdG-DfkII7kKIB8vdXMBZTH6sDyEn5K69buNcADNEGQW4emXT84nIDSGA-M4_V2Msm34LzhOoHPd0W42LGg5Z292ysBSp__QYoBYvLYWUDY2nx7k629sEZrwLGRmiqeUk0StpzmPBHPHXtQ3W8EM" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="553" data-original-width="766" height="231" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhB07TI31mQW7NQcMM-qQgDYpEjkLrPVS8se9McntAMdG-DfkII7kKIB8vdXMBZTH6sDyEn5K69buNcADNEGQW4emXT84nIDSGA-M4_V2Msm34LzhOoHPd0W42LGg5Z292ysBSp__QYoBYvLYWUDY2nx7k629sEZrwLGRmiqeUk0StpzmPBHPHXtQ3W8EM" width="320" /></a></div><br />That is synonymous with having authority over her. This is headship. As we'll go over, this headship is still prescriptive in the New Testament. Whenever the subject of headship is brought up, many- and I'd go so far to say most-women in our society and culture picture a man Dominating and controlling, An apocalyptic warlord type that rules by force and makes women his slaves. <u>THIS IS NOT THE BILICAL EXAMPLE OF THE WAY A MAN IS TO BE.</u> I'll probably say that a few times in this post because every conversation I have on this subject, it is like no matter how many times I stress that point, The words are dismantled in someone's mind and reassembled in a way that sounds like "Men should control women". <br /><blockquote>Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 <u>For the husband is the head of the wife</u>, as <u>Christ also is the head of the church,</u> He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But<u> as the church is subject to Christ,</u> so also <u>the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.</u>- Ephesians 5:22-24</blockquote><p></p><blockquote><p></p></blockquote><p>The husband is the head of the wife the way Christ is the head of the church. Does the church regard it self an equal authority to Christ? Not unless you're Catholic. As the church is subject to Christ ( the church is acknowledging the Messiah's headship and authority) so also wives ought to be [ Submitted] to their husbands in everything. Most women who buck this are following the leadership of men that did not love them as Christ loves the church, men who refused to submit to Christ and to love their wives the way that Christ loves the church. Where these men lead an example of rebellion against the command of God to love their wives in HIS example, so too do many women follow suit in not submitting to their husbands. </p><p>==== <u>This is not about giving power to men or authoritarian control to men this is not about enabling abuse by men- as those are NOT the example of Christ to His church</u>====</p><p>A husband has loving compassion for his bride, As Christ does the church<br />A husband seeks input from his bride, As Christ does the church<br />A husband gives sacrificially for his bride, As Christ does the church<br />A husband gives good gifts and provides the righteous desires of his wife, as Christ does the church<br />A husband guards against evil that seeks to destroy his family, As Christ does the church<br />A husband leads his wife in the Word, As Christ does the church. </p><p>He's not a micromanager. As the example of Adam in the Garden with Eve, Eve ate the apple, but Romans says that sin entered through one man, Adam. When Adam sinned, God who I believe knew that Eve ate the apple first, called out to Adam to account for his actions. This is why Paul cites this n 1 Timothy<br /><br /></p><blockquote> but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. 11 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not <u>allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man</u>, but to remain quiet. 13 <u>For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived</u>, fell into transgression. -1 Timothy 2:10-13</blockquote>Paul isn't just tossing out an opinion. He's not being sexist. He's citing the authority role that is given to the man, of headship. Men are to take input from their wives and attend to their needs, but when it goes wrong, that responsibility is on the shoulders of the man to have been doing what should have been done<p></p><p></p><blockquote> In the same way, you wives, <u>be submissive to your own husbands</u> so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, t<u>hey may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives</u>, 2 as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior.- 1 Peter 3:1-2</blockquote><p></p><p>Of note is that these verses written to the wives of pagan husbands emphasize submission the most. Peter says that obedience is the way in which to win the unrighteous husband, not resistance.<u> THIS IS NOT ADVOCATING FOR SUBJECTING TO ABUSE </u>. This demonstrates that the Biblical patriarchy of male headship and authority in leading the wife is established, and that even the new converts should exemplify this in order to show God to their husbands. This is stated in Titus 2</p><p></p><blockquote> so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, <u>being subject to their own husbands</u>, <b><u>s</u></b><u><b>o that the word of God will not be dishonored</b></u>. - Titus 2:4-5</blockquote><br />The word of God is dishonored when authority/headship/rule is wrestled from the man and the man is subdued under the woman as exactly what the "curse" in Genesis states. If Submission meant only giving way when you agree, that isn't submission that is agreement. Thats bargaining. <br /><u>TO BE CLEAR, SUBMITTING TO A HUSBAND IS NOT SLAVERY</u><p></p><div><blockquote>In the same way <u>husbands should love their wives as their own bodies</u>. He who loves his wife <u>loves himself</u>- Ephesians 5:28</blockquote></div><p>This is not the attitude of someone who deprives another for amusement, he gives to his wife in the way that he would give to himself. The husband makes judgments, like the example of Christ and the church. In making a judgment, he considers what is best for his wife and the family. He takes her counsel and input. He inquires God about matter. He then makes a judgment on a matter. The judgment is not passing authority to his wife and submitting to her headship, it is a judgment in her favor championing the wisdom and good counsel that she has provided. If the wife offers good counsel and wisdom and the husbands judgment is to not listen to it, <u>THEN THE REPROACH IS ON THE HUSBAND. </u><br />The Greek word for submit is <i>hypotassō</i> and it means:<br /><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhkwQIMMP4DbcKfCx0HpEAxx-y0DucxEWFpRTIZrHyb-AQB-JDVad6aNYLXpklVrRk1uNgTIQXNKRcQDVnv4te1czaoUnleqJAl0PaANXefabjebwcAtuYRHiw6JsKm8V1DlTfTV2hE3bhI1RQOfYWWygheCr-R8MBlpcji4sQcY8QLidCYtx0ANEm_Oh0" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="291" data-original-width="488" height="191" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhkwQIMMP4DbcKfCx0HpEAxx-y0DucxEWFpRTIZrHyb-AQB-JDVad6aNYLXpklVrRk1uNgTIQXNKRcQDVnv4te1czaoUnleqJAl0PaANXefabjebwcAtuYRHiw6JsKm8V1DlTfTV2hE3bhI1RQOfYWWygheCr-R8MBlpcji4sQcY8QLidCYtx0ANEm_Oh0" width="320" /></a></div><br /><br />..In this example, <i>hypotassō</i> is <br />To arrange under- the husbands authority<br />To put in subjection- to the husbands authority <br />To obey- ones husbands ruling<br />To submit to ones control- the one being the husband <br />To yield to ones admonition or advice- the one being the husband<br />To obey/ subject- to your husband. <br /><br /><br />Advocates of egalitarian authority innately in practice make null and void all other commands in scripture of submission by that we are all to submit to each other. The verse cited for these grounds is still in Ephesians 5 :21<br /><br /><blockquote>and s<u>ubject yourselves </u>to <u>one another </u>in the fear of Christ Ephesians 5:21</blockquote>It is easy to understand how one derives that we're to submit to one another and that the only headship/ authority is Christ. Yet, if we take this at face value with no surrounding context, then the next two verses have no meaning when they say <br /><br /><blockquote>Wives, subject yourselves to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. Ephesians 5-22-23 </blockquote>Rather in the fuller context we see the practice of COMMUNAL submission as verse 15 points out<br /><br /><blockquote>So then, be careful how you walk, <u>not as unwise people </u>but as wise Ephesians 5:15 </blockquote>In goes from communal households collectively submitting to each other as a community, to the specific commands to husbands and wives about headship and submission in the marriage. If we were to interpret verse 21 as the blanket headship, this then gives the entire neighborhood authority to govern the marriage between God, Man and Woman. I do NOT think that the community does or should have the INTIMATE form of Authority in the marriage between husband and wife. <br />One of the common arguments against the word headship saying what the Greek defines it as saying is to convey that headship means something else entirely. As I most recently heard expressed<br /><blockquote>"Head doesn't mean authority it actually means the source, like the head of a river. it’s the source of its beginning."</blockquote>The problem with this is that the Greek DOES mean authority. The same Greek that is used in Ephesians 5 and 1 Peter 3 to say that wives should submit to the authority of their husbands is also used in the Septuagint for the following verses<br /><br /><div></div><blockquote><div>You have him<u> rule over </u>the works of Your hands;</div><div>You have <u>put everything under his feet</u>,- Psalms 8:6 </div></blockquote><div></div><br />Rule over- <i>Hypotassō</i> <br /><br /><div><blockquote>My faithfulness and my fortress, My stronghold and my savior, My shield and He in whom I take refuge, <u>Who subdues my people under me</u>. - Psalm 144:2</blockquote></div><br />Again <i>Hypotassō</i> shows that rule is not source, it is authority/ ruling/ headship over. For a second lets indulge the analogy of the river, if <i>Hypotassō</i> was to mean source, it would be in the reference of the authority flowing from the source of the husband to the wife. Even if we were to not take <i>Hypotassō</i> to mean authority, headship and ruler the way that it does we still have another Greek word that means as such, <i>Kephalē</i><br /><p></p><p></p><blockquote>Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel and <u>all the heads of the tribes, the leaders of the fathers</u>’ households of the sons of Israel, to King Solomon in Jerusalem, to bring up the ark of the covenant of the Lord from the city of David, which is Zion.- 1 Kings 8:1 </blockquote>Solomon isn't assembling all the sources of the tribes, Thats just Jacob. He's assembling the authority, the leadership the<i> Kephalē</i><br /><blockquote>You have delivered me from the contentions of the people; <u>You have placed me as head of the nations</u>; A people whom I have not known serve me. - Psalms 18:43</blockquote><br />David is not the source of the nations. He's placed in <i>Kephalē-</i> authority and leadership of the nations. <br /><br /><p></p><p></p><blockquote>So the Lord cuts off head and tail from Israel, Both palm branch and bulrush in a single day. 15 <u>The head is the elder and honorable man</u>, <u>And the prophet who teaches falsehood is the tail.</u> 16 For t<u>hose who guide this people are leading them astray;</u> And those who are guided by them are brought to confusion. - Isaiah 9:14-16</blockquote>The head <i>Kephalē</i> = the elder/ honorable man leader- contrasted with the tail/fool, one who teaches falsehood. <br /><br /><blockquote> The elders of Gilead said to Jephthah, “For this reason we have now returned to you, that you may go with us and fight with the sons of Ammon <u>and become head over all the inhabitants of Gilead.</u>” 9 So Jephthah said to the elders of Gilead, “If you take me back to fight against the sons of Ammon and the Lord gives them up to me,<u> will I become your head?</u> - Judges 11:8-9</blockquote>It wouldn't make sense to be asking "Can I become your origin/ source" of all the inhabitants of Gilead or the Elders. It only makes sense in the context of becoming the Authority/ Ruler/ Headship <br /><br /><blockquote> Then Jephthah went with the elders of Gilead, <u>and the people made him head and chief over them</u>; and Jephthah spoke all his words before the Lord at Mizpah.- Judges 11:11</blockquote><br />They made him the Authority- Head- Chief-<i>Kephalē</i><br /><p></p><p></p><blockquote>“You have also delivered me from the contentions of my people; <u>You have kept me as head of the nations</u>;<u> A people whom I have not known serve me.</u> 2 Sam 22:44</blockquote><p>A people that he has not known now sever him as Head/ Authority/ <i>Kephalē</i>. <br />The word for head as authority in the Greek <i>Kephalē </i> is used in 1 Cor 11:3<br /><br /></p><blockquote> But I want you to understand that<u> Christ is the head of every man,</u> and<u> the man is the head of a woman,</u> and God is the head of Christ.- 1 Corinthians 11:3</blockquote><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhHx1AYUK8uiULAzdddKxsvAzmHid3fGDmSvxvSmkLABhTjFlAwYj74iDHo2_lKYTVPIJabZVSoIPAfq5TB1nz3hD-COZmWSu8eYi2PnFsvuZ2mFQPTY-b_JAh4KjePPBLm3ppxmHyADDNQzX2lFqmHUNWLNwLgS2OA_DMJe7Jln1vq6Q3Olgc6PvFOmeA" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="290" data-original-width="705" height="132" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhHx1AYUK8uiULAzdddKxsvAzmHid3fGDmSvxvSmkLABhTjFlAwYj74iDHo2_lKYTVPIJabZVSoIPAfq5TB1nz3hD-COZmWSu8eYi2PnFsvuZ2mFQPTY-b_JAh4KjePPBLm3ppxmHyADDNQzX2lFqmHUNWLNwLgS2OA_DMJe7Jln1vq6Q3Olgc6PvFOmeA" width="320" /></a></div><br />We can see from the 2.A. that the Greek word for head, is Husbands authority in relation to his Wife, in the same manner of 2.B. that Christ is the Lord the husband and of the Church. If we are to take the two words <i>Ezer Naged/Kenegdo</i> to mean warrior of the same authority of her husband, then these examples lose meaning and these words lose meaning. Sarah uses the same definition of 2. A when she refers to Abraham as lord/master. This is cited in 1 Peter 3 <br /><blockquote> For in this way in former times<u> the holy women<b> also,</b> who hoped in God,</u> used to adorn themselves, <u>being submissive to their own husbands</u>; 6 just as <u>Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord</u>, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear. 1 Peter 3:5-6 </blockquote><p><br />In a recent discussion it was suggested that doing this very thing would be like essentially abandoning autonomy and just becoming like a doll or a plaything to a man. However, what we see in the example of Abraham and Sarah is quite the opposite in the Hagar situation. Sarah wanted Hagar gone. Did Sarah remove Hagar- who was her maidservant? No. Sarah brought the matter up to her husband in submission. Abraham wasn't wanting to to do that as the text says that he was really bothered by this. What did He do? He SUBMITTED TO GOD THE WAY SARAH WAS SUBMITTING TO HIM, and God was the one that made the judgement- Do what your wife is asking of you. Sarah got her way. Sarah was not without voice. She was not a slave. Abraham loved his wife the way that Christ loves the church! Yeshua in the garden didn't want to go to the cross, but He prayed as an example of perfect submission to the Father "your will be done not mine" and then GAVE UP HIS LIFE FOR US!!! </p><p>Again 1 Corinthians 11 we see this headship, the Kaphale / the Authority stated outright<br /><br /></p><blockquote>3 But I want you to understand that Christ is the head [kephalē] of every man, and the man is the head [kephalē] of a woman, and God is the head [kephalē] of Christ. - 1 Cor. 11:3</blockquote><p>Christ is the Authority over every man, man over a[his] woman. This is in direct contradiction of the interpretation that the woman's authority is = to her husband egalitarian mindset<i> </i>of <i>Ezer Naged/Kenegdo</i>. It points back to the context that woman is the help man. Just as Esau despised his birthright and traded it for stew, women in our culture have traded this gift of being cared for and provided for and loved, and cherished, and valued and the ability to love and sow into a husband... and they have traded it for genuine slavery to the corporate machine, and bosses that they're forced to submit to in a way that they fear from a husband. <br /><br />So many women IN THE CHURCH think that submitting to their husband is a form of slavery, but they do not think this same thing about submitting to Christ, and Christ says to submit to your husbands! That is obedience to Christ. ITS NOT ABOUT DOMINANCE AND CONTROL TO THE MAN, it's about TRUSTING GOD and having FAITH IN GOD that the man you CHOSE to marry is going to also be obedient to GOD <br /><br /><br />There are examples of headship/authority all over the scriptures and commands of God<br /><br /></p><p></p><blockquote> Also if a woman makes a vow to the Lord, and binds herself by an obligation in her father’s house in her youth, 4 and<u> her father hears her vow and her obligation by which she has bound herself, and her father says nothing to her, then all her vows shall stand</u> and every obligation by which she has bound herself shall stand. 5 <u>But if her father should forbid her on the day he hears of it, none of her vows or her obligations by which she has bound herself shall stand;</u> and the <u style="font-weight: bold;">Lord will forgive her because her father had forbidden her. </u>- Numbers 30:3-5</blockquote>By the Headship/Authority of the father, the woman breaking a vow is not under penalty This same authority set up is for husbands to wives <br /><br /><blockquote> However, if she should marry <u>while under her vows or the rash statement of her lips by which she has bound herself, 7 and her husband hears of it and says nothing to her on the day he hears it, then her vows shall stand and her obligations by which she has bound herself shall stand. </u>8 But <u>if on the day her husband hears of it, he forbids her, then he shall annul her vow</u> which she is under and the rash statement of her lips by which she has bound herself; and the Lord will forgive her. - Numbers 30:6-8</blockquote><br />How many women commit to something they wish they hadn't and wish they could get out of it. Try Biblical Headship/Authority. The nullification of vows passages themselves show that the egalitarian co-Head authority isn't Divinely structured. This is not the Ezer Kenegdo/neged Xena warrior mindset. She is someone across from him reminding him always to be more like the Messiah, to die to self, to love, to submit to God in his actions the way or greater than the way she is submitting to him. To serve him, and along with him, not war against him like the "curse" states. <br /><br />Even if we were for some reason to outright ignore BOTH Greek words talking about the husbands headship we still have it from God. There is also a section of Numbers 5 that says that the wife is under the authority of her husband. The word husband is added to the text, a practice that I don't normally endorse, but the context is clear that it is an appropriate translation. <br /><br /><blockquote>The priest shall have her take an oath and shall say to the woman, “If no man has lain with you and if you have not gone astray into uncleanness, <u>being under the <i>authority</i> of your husband,</u> be immune to this water of bitterness that brings a curse; 20 if you, however, have gone astray, <u>being under the <i>authority</i> of your husband,</u> and if you have defiled yourself and a man other than your husband has had intercourse with you”</blockquote><blockquote>This is the law of jealousy: when a wife<u>, being under the <i>authority</i> of her husband</u>, goes astray and defiles herself- Numbers 5:19-20;29</blockquote><br />Even if we were for some reason to outright ignore BOTH Greek words talking about the husbands headship we still have it from God as shown above and from Genesis itself. <br /><div></div><blockquote><div>To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth, In pain you shall deliver children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And <u>he shall<b> rule over you</b>.</u>”-Gen 3:16</div><div></div></blockquote><div><br /><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiJdR4GFq3wVR1a8hNeek-IyppbM1zHTseZ9lsrz_W-gwI3bSW_f_QVkmrDVyov49yniHrdkS4OtJThLgW3ouVPacXoafd5FGo1Iab283Wd-X6JLh-r4htdis0eH0jDUJ8FSWb45cOB8lexqAZw3WYZeUDZCCxk2vlaM1cNyF6ngSq7uIAHCLYRh4HKY4E" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="478" data-original-width="781" height="196" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiJdR4GFq3wVR1a8hNeek-IyppbM1zHTseZ9lsrz_W-gwI3bSW_f_QVkmrDVyov49yniHrdkS4OtJThLgW3ouVPacXoafd5FGo1Iab283Wd-X6JLh-r4htdis0eH0jDUJ8FSWb45cOB8lexqAZw3WYZeUDZCCxk2vlaM1cNyF6ngSq7uIAHCLYRh4HKY4E" width="320" /></a></div><br />God expressly states that the husband does in fact rule as in authority. That same word is used when God warns Cain <br /><br /><blockquote>“If you do well, will your face not be cheerful? And if you do not do well, sin is lurking at the door; and <u><b>its desire is for you, but you must master H4910 it.</b></u>” - Gen 4:7</blockquote><br /><br />Do you see the parallel of "The Desire will be over your husband" and "Sin is lurking with desire for you" and the parallel between " And he will rule over you" with "you must master it" . It is the same word of overcoming in regards to authority. <br /><br /><br /><div>When we state to our Christian brothers and sisters that obedience to God's Law is love, they so often reply that "The Law is bondage". We who walk in God's Law know that obedience is freedom, and the lie of it being bandage becomes almost laughable. It's a delight to bask in the joy of our God. </div><div>The world tells us that same lie about marital submission, calling it bondage and slavery</div>...and men, If you are dominating your wife in authoritarian power trip, REPENT because you are doing evil. <p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-62566682232511660902023-05-06T18:40:00.002-07:002023-09-06T17:12:26.261-07:00Sons of God (Simplified) <div>1 John 3:10</div><div>No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God. 10 <b><u>By this the children of God </u></b>and<u> the children of the devil are obvious</u>: <u><b>a</b></u><b><u>nyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God</u></b>, nor the one who does not love his brother and sister.</div><div><br /></div><div>“<b><u>You are sons of the Lord your God</u></b>; you shall not cut yourselves nor shave a bald spot above your forehead for the dead. <u>For you are a<b> holy people</b> to the Lord your God,</u> and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for His personal possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.- Deut 14:1-2<br /><br /></div><div>“Blessed are the peacemakers, <u>for they will be called sons of God</u>.- Matthew 5:9<br /><br /></div><div>For all <u><b>who are being led by the Spirit of God,</b></u> t<u><b>hese are sons and daughters of God.</b></u>- Romans 8:14<br /><br /></div><div>For the eagerly awaiting creation waits for <b><u>the revealing </u>of the sons and daughters of God.</b>- Romans 8:19<br /><br /></div><div> <u><b>“I will call those who were not My people, ‘My people,</b></u>’</div><div>And her who was not beloved, ‘beloved.’”26 “And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘you are not My people,’ <u><b>There they shall be called sons of the living God</b></u>.”27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Though the number of the sons of Israel may be like the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved; - Romans 9:25-27<br /><br /></div><div><u><b>For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith </b></u>in Christ Jesus.- Galatians 3:26<br /><br /></div><div><u><b>Because you are sons, God </b></u>has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!” - Galatians 4:6</div><div><br />But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, <u><b>and you will be sons of the Most High;</b></u> for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men. - Luke 6:35<br /><br /><br />13 He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 <u><b>I will be a father to him and he will be a son to Me;</b></u> when he commits iniquity, I will correct him with the rod of men and the strokes of the sons of men, 15 but My lovingkindness shall not depart from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom shall endure before Me forever; your throne shall be established forever.”’” - 1 Chron 17:13-16<br /><br /><br /><div>Jesus said to them, “<u><b>The sons of this age</b></u> marry and are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, <u style="font-weight: bold;">and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.-</u> Luke 20:34-36</div><div><br /></div><div>(This verse states that the Angels do not die and therefore are not the sons of the resurrection the way the sons of this age who parry and are given in to marriage are, in contrast to the Angels that do not marry )</div><br /><br /><br /><br />According to ALL Of these passages, The sons of God are those who are of obedient faith in Christ, Yeshua. In every instance of these passages the sons of God ( and daughters) are human people, and not any type of angelic beings. <br /><br /><br /><div>5For to which of the angels did He ever say,</div><div>“You are My Son,</div><div>Today I have fathered You”?</div><div>And again,</div><div>“I will be a Father to Him</div><div>And He will be a Son to Me”?- Hebrews 1:5</div><div><br /></div><div>If the answer to this question is that He called ANY angels son, then the answer is that Angel. Except He never calls any angels son. The context of this is that Yeshua is the Messiah, but the point still stands that if any angel is called son, then the meaning becomes nonsense. <br /><br /><br />10 “See that you do not despise one of these little ones, <u>for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven</u>. - Matthew 18:10<br /> <br />If the Angels are continually before God then why would they have to take a special appearance to be before Him if we were to read Job as being about the Angels instead of obedient faithful believers appearing before God? <br /><br />Job 1<br />6 Now there was a day when the <u><b>sons of God</b></u> came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.<br />Job 2<br />Again there was a day when <u><b>the sons of God </b></u>came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the Lord.<br /><br /><br />Who are these sons of God? As all the scriptures above pointed out, They are the faithful people of God. Why are they appearing before God? Because they are commanded by God to do so at the appointed times <br /><br />14 “<u><b>Three times a year you shall celebrate a feast to Me.</b></u> 15 You shall keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread; for seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in that month you came out of Egypt. And no one is to appear before Me empty-handed. 16 Also you shall keep the Feast of the Harvest of the first fruits of your labors from what you sow in the field; also the Feast of the Ingathering at the end of the year when you gather in the fruit of your labors from the field. 17 <u style="font-weight: bold;">Three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord God. </u>Ex 23:14-17<br /><br />23 <u><b>Three times a year all your males are to appear before the Lord God</b></u>, the God of Israel. 24 For I will drive out nations from you and enlarge your borders, and no one will covet your land when you go up <u style="font-weight: bold;">three times a year to appear before the Lord your God. </u> Ex 34:23<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />So through out scripture the faithful are sons of God, The faithful are to appear before God at the appointed times unlike the Angels which are always before Him. The faithful are the ones that marry in this current age, unlike the Angels who do not die. <br /><br /><br />Keep that all in mind when you read Genesis 6 and it says that the sons of God took wives, and then it resulted in violence. <br /><br /><div>Deut 32The Rock! His work is perfect,</div><div>For all His ways are just;</div><div>A God of faithfulness and without injustice,</div><div>Righteous and just is He.</div><div>5“<u>They have acted corruptly against Him</u>,</div><div><u>They are not His children, because of their defect</u>;</div><div>But are a perverse and crooked generation.</div><br />Fallen Angels cannot be called sons of God because they are defective. </div></div>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-18797709923720103362023-02-26T17:25:00.003-08:002023-09-20T12:29:11.560-07:00False Prophet(ess) <p> <span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Deacon</span></p><span id="docs-internal-guid-0b2090d2-7fff-d6da-d370-ed784e970a7b"><ul style="margin-bottom: 0; margin-top: 0; padding-inline-start: 48px;"><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">one who executes the commands of another, esp. of a master, a servant, attendant, minister</span></p></li><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">the servant of a king</span></p></li><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">a deacon, one who, by virtue of the office assigned to him by the church, cares for the poor and has charge of and distributes the money collected for their use</span></p></li><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">a waiter, one who serves food and drink</span></p></li></ul><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Overseer</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /><br /></span></p><ul style="margin-bottom: 0; margin-top: 0; padding-inline-start: 48px;"><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">an overseer</span></p></li><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">a man charged with the duty of seeing that things to be done by others are done rightly, any curator, guardian or superintendent</span></p></li><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">the superintendent, elder, or overseer of a Christian church</span></p></li></ul><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /><br /></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">1 Tim 3 </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> It is a trustworthy statement: if </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">any man</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> aspires to </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">the office of oversee</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">r, it is a fine work he desires to do. 2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach,</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> the husband </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. 4 </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">He must be</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity 5 (</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">), 6 and</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> not a new convert</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil. 7 And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">8</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> Deacons</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> likewise</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> must be men of dignity, not double-tongued, or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain, 9 but holding to the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. 10 </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">These men must also first be tested;</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> then let them serve as deacons if they are beyond reproach. 11 </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Women must likewise</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> be dignified, not malicious gossips, but temperate, faithful in all things. 12 Deacons must be husbands of only one wife, and good managers of their children and their own households. 13 For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a high standing and great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">From 1Ti 3:1 we see the requirements for the Overseer, and then in verse 8 we see the qualifications of a deacon. Note that these are two separate positions? There are those who would say that being a deacon is the same as being in the office of overseer, but that place is to be exclusively for men. </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Some try to make that a case about sex, but its about headship and coverings. </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Coverings</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">If the Pastor is to show love for his wife as an example of how God loves the church, can that be the case with a woman over her husband or does that muddy the Biblical roles?</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /><br /></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Ephesians 5</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church,</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.</span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">The example given is that Christ is the head over His bride, and the Husband is the picture of Christ over his bride. Men are supposed to lead. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">When it is mentioned that men are supposed to lead, being as an overseer or as husbands in their own houses, this causes friction in the minds of many women. Many of them have distorted any example of a woman doing something right in the Bible to wrongly mean that it is a scriptural justification for Women being the head and the leader instead of the man. Women are godly when the function in the capacities that they were designated.</span></p><br /><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Gen 3</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” 6 </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Here we have the first example of a woman leading a man. It didn't go well. Interesting enough that Eve sinned first... When God arrives, who does He call out to? Who is responsible? </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> Then the</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> Lord God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">?” 10 He said, “I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself.” 11 And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">which I commanded you</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> not to eat?”</span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">It was Adam's job to guide his wife. It was Adam's position as the covering over her just as Yeshua leads us. Adam was made in God's image this way too. Men are to be the gatekeepers against that which is death entering in. Numbers 30 is an entire chapter about vows made and being dismissed by men on behalf of women</span></p><br /><br /><ul style="margin-bottom: 0; margin-top: 0; padding-inline-start: 48px;"><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;"> 2 If a man makes a vow to the Lord, or takes an oath to bind himself with a binding obligation, he shall not violate his word; he shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth.</span></p></li></ul><ul style="margin-bottom: 0; margin-top: 0; padding-inline-start: 48px;"><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">5But if her father should forbid her on the day he hears of it, none of her vows or her obligations by which she has bound herself shall stand; and the Lord will forgive her because her father had forbidden her.</span></p></li></ul><ul style="margin-bottom: 0; margin-top: 0; padding-inline-start: 48px;"><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;"> 7 and her husband hears of it and says nothing to her on the day he hears it, then her vows shall stand and her obligations by which she has bound herself shall stand. 8 But if on the day her husband hears of it, he forbids her, then he shall annul her vow which she is under and the rash statement of her lips by which she has bound herself; and the Lord will forgive her</span></p></li></ul><ul style="margin-bottom: 0; margin-top: 0; padding-inline-start: 48px;"><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">13 “Every vow and every binding oath to humble herself, her husband may confirm it or her husband may annul it. 14 But if her husband indeed says nothing to her from day to day, then he confirms all her vows or all her obligations which are on her; he has confirmed them, because he said nothing to her on the day he heard them. 15 But if he indeed annuls them after he has heard them, then he shall bear her guilt.”</span></p></li></ul><ul style="margin-bottom: 0; margin-top: 0; padding-inline-start: 48px;"><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">16 These are the statutes which the Lord commanded Moses, as between a man and his wife, and as between a father and his daughter, while she is in her youth in her father’s house.</span></p></li></ul><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Is this to say that women don't have discernment? That women cannot extract wise and important spiritual truth from the Bible? I'm not saying that. In fact women can teach other women and children. </span></p><br /><br /><br /><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">1 Tim 2 </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">But</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14 </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> 15 But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">When feminists and the well intentioned but deceived twist and distort women in the Bible to be as pastors over men, they leave out examples like </span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Numbers 31</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">15And Moses said to them, “Have you spared all the women?</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">16“Behold, </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">they caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to be unfaithful to the LORD in the matter of Peor, so that the plague took place among the congregation of the LORD!</span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Revelation 2 </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">14‘But I have a few things against you, </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">because you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam,</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit sexual immorality.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">15‘So you too, have some who in the same way hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">16‘Therefore repent; or else I am coming to you quickly, and I will wage war against them with the sword of My mouth.</span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Balaam was evil. He had the gift of prophecy though. Because he had this gift, we should not think that he was a leader over Israel or that he was fit to lead. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">In every instance of the word Overseer in scripture, the word has referred to a man. Critics seek to justify their position using examples like Deborah. </span></p><br /><br /><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Judges 4 </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Then the sons of Israel </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">again did evil</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> in the sight of the Lord, </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">after Ehud died. 2 And the Lord sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, who reigned in Hazor; and the commander of his army was Sisera, who lived in Harosheth-hagoyim. 3 The sons of Israel cried to the Lord; for he had nine hundred iron chariots, </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">and he oppressed the sons of Israel severely for twenty years.</span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">The framework is that Israel is in the midst of punishment. This isn't the standard operating procedure.</span></p><br /><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Now she sent and summoned Barak the son of Abinoam from Kedesh-naphtali, and said to him, “Behold, the Lord, the God of Israel, has commanded, ‘Go and march to Mount Tabor, and take with you ten thousand men from the sons of Naphtali and from the sons of Zebulun. 7 I will draw out to you Sisera, the commander of Jabin’s army, with his chariots and his many troops to the river Kishon, and I will give him into your hand.’</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Who did God command? Was Deborah to lead the people? No, God did not command Deborah to lead the people, God called Barak.If Deborah was the Overseer as some make her out to be, why does God command her to tell Barak instead of just telling her? Barak, instead of trusting in the Words of the Lord, took Deborah. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Deborah makes a point of derision saying </span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">She said, “I will surely go with you; nevertheless,</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> the honor shall not be yours</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> on the journey that you are about to take, f</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">or the Lord will sell Sisera into the hands of a woman.”</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Dishonor on Barak because a woman is where he should be. Deborah was a prophetess, but a prophetess is not an overseer. That prophecy about Baracks honor being sold into the hands of a woman, isn't Deborah its Jael. That does not make Deborah or Jael an overseer of the congregation. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Three judges are listed before her: Othniel, Ehud, and Shamgar.</span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Judges 3</span></p><ul style="margin-bottom: 0; margin-top: 0; padding-inline-start: 48px;"><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">The Israelites cried out to the LORD. SO THE LORD RAISED UP Othniel son of Kenaz, Caleb’s youngest brother, as a deliverer to save the Israelites.</span></p></li><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">Then the Israelites cried out to the LORD, AND HE RAISED UP Ehud son of Gera, a left-handed Benjaminite, as a deliverer for them. The Israelites sent him with the tribute for King Eglon of Moab.” </span></p></li></ul><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Why does in not say that the Lord raised up Deborah? Was she a prophetess? Yes. Did she do right, Also yes. Was she an overseer/Pastor? No. </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Ephesians 4</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> pastors</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ</span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">One of the texts that gets abused by those twisting scriptures to justify the errant doctrine of women pastors, is Ephesians 4. They attempt to say that because there is no gendering in the giving of these gifts, that means that where it says that some can be pastors and teachers, that means that women can be pastors over men. Except Ephesians 4 doesn't say that the gifting of pastors or teachers means that a woman can be over a man. A woman can have the gift of being the pastor to other women and children. That does not make her a pastor over a congregation of men, of which, scripture states that she is to be silent. </span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Pastor</span></p><ul style="margin-bottom: 0; margin-top: 0; padding-inline-start: 48px;"><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">a herdsman, esp. a shepherd</span></p></li><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">in the parable, he to whose care and control others have committed themselves, and whose precepts they follow</span></p></li><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">metaph.</span></p></li></ul><ul style="margin-bottom: 0; margin-top: 0; padding-inline-start: 48px;"><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">the presiding officer, manager, director, of any assembly: so of Christ the Head of the church</span></p></li><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">of the overseers of the Christian assemblies</span></p></li><li aria-level="1" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; list-style-type: disc; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-wrap: wrap; vertical-align: baseline;">of kings and princes</span></p></li></ul><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-top: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">A Pastor is and Overseer. I read a blog titled " There are no women Pastors in the Bible... (because there are no Pastors in the Bible)" This is another example of errant teaching from a woman trying to be a teacher. </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">What about Pricilla? That is another example that is twisted into something it shouldn't be. This is what the text says</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> Acts 18</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">4 Now a Jew named Apollos, an Alexandrian by birth, an eloquent man, came to Ephesus; a</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">nd he was mighty in the Scriptures.</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> 25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">he was speaking and teaching accurately the things concerning Jesus</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">, being acquainted only with the baptism of John; 26 and he began to speak out boldly in the synagogue. But when </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Priscilla and Aquila </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">A man named Apollos is already mighty in the Scriptures, Accurately teaching, and gets pulled aside by a MAN and his WIFE to do some fine tuning. NOWHERE in this does it show that this woman was a pastor over men. </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Lets look at Huldah, another one. </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /><br /></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">2 kings 22 </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">1 When </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">the king </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">heard the words of the book of the law, he tore his clothes. 12 </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Then the king commanded Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam the son of Shaphan, Achbor the son of Micaiah, Shaphan the scribe, and Asaiah the king’s servant saying</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">, 13 “</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Go, inquire of the Lord </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">for me and the people and all Judah concerning the words of this book that has been found, for great is the wrath of the Lord that burns against us, because our fathers have not listened to the words of this book, to do according to all that is written concerning us.”So Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam, Achbor, Shaphan, and Asaiah went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe (now she lived in Jerusalem in the Second Quarter); and they spoke to her.</span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">We have a King, and Priest, asking inquiring of God and they go to a mans wife who is a prophetess. She tells the King what God has said. That is not being an overseer over the congregation. That is not being a Pastor. That is God using someone to bring repentance to Israel. </span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Then the king sent, and they gathered to him all the elders of Judah and of Jerusalem. 2 The king went up to the house of the Lord and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests and the prophets and all the people, both small and great; and he read in their hearing all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house of the Lord. 3 The king stood by the pillar and made a covenant before the Lord, to walk after the Lord, and to keep His commandments and His testimonies and His statutes with all his heart and all his soul, to carry out the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people entered into the covenant.</span></p><br /><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">At which point was there a woman pastor or overseer? There wasn't. This isn't an example of a woman governing doctrine over men, no matter how some misapply it. Can women prophesy? Yes. Can women be pastors? No. There are some to say that when Paul tells women to be silent in church that means that they aren't to make any sound at all. They take this hyperliterally and force there to be a contention with Ephesians 4 and the gifts. They say how can one prophesy if they're to be silent in church, as if this is a refutation of the scriptural mandate itself. I've heard some say that the scriptural directive that women keep silent in church is to be effectively rendered moot because it was a cultural thing regarding new converts... but Paul clarifies in the qualifications of Men who would be pastors that they are not new converts. Paul's statement that women aren't to be pastoral teachers isn't just for new converts or he'd have said new converts. Instead he makes another specific directive about the qualifications. There remains no clear feminist interpretation of what Paul was allegedly saying (if we are to not take the clear directive for what it is) in light of this point. By shoehorning this perspective in, we knock other matters out of alignment </span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Paul's statements on the men's roles are in agreement with Peters when he writes in 1 Peter 3 </span></p><br /><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">In the same way, </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">you wives, be submissive to your own husbands</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"> so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, 2 as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior. 3 Your adornment must not be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses; 4 but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God. 5 For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">being submissive to their own husbands; 6 just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 30pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">7 You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">as with someone weaker, since she is a woman</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered.</span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">This is not a statement of superiority but one of order. This is a command of rightly defined roles. It doesn't say, " If your husband isn't doing right, You lead and teach and become a pastor of your home and an overseer in your congregation". Isaiah talks about women being leaders as a punishment at a time when people were scrambling to make anyone a leader. Isaiah 3 </span></p><br /><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">When a man lays hold of his brother in his father’s house, saying,</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">“</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">You have a cloak, you shall be our ruler,</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">And these ruins will be under your charge,”</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">7 He will protest on that day, saying,</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">“I will not be your healer,</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">For in my house there is neither bread nor cloak;</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">You should not appoint me ruler of the people.”</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">8 For Jerusalem has stumbled and Judah has fallen,</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Because their speech and their actions are against the Lord,</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">To rebel against His glorious presence.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">9 The expression of their faces bears witness against them,</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">And they display their sin like Sodom;</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">They do not even conceal it.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Woe to them!</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">For they have brought evil on themselves.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">10 Say to the righteous that it will go well with them,</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">For they will eat the fruit of their actions.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">11 </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Woe to the wicked! It will go badly with him,</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">For what he deserves will be done to him.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">12 O My people! Their oppressors are children,</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-weight: 700; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">And women rule over them</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">O My people! </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Those who guide you lead you astray</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">And confuse the direction of your paths.</span></p><br /><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">These women that are teaching that women should be in the pastoral position that is Biblically reserved for a man, guide people astray and confuse the direction of the paths of God. Some try to dismiss this passage of Isaiah as only being about Ahaz, but the passage regards Judah as fallen and Jerusalem stumbling. It says THEY have brought evil on themselves. THEIR faces will bear witnesses against them and THEY will display their sin like Sodom. </span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">There are plenty more examples that can be given of women in the Bible being taken out of context. Moses' wife circumcised his kids to save her husband's life, and this was a righteous act where Moses was not operating in the area of which he was to be operating. Did this make Moses wife a pastor/ Overseer ?No. did it make her a woman that did a righteous act when a man had not done what he was supposed to and his life was at stake? Yes. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">What about Miriam? Wasn't the thing that she grumbled saying was that "we all hear from God" asserting that there was no difference between her , Aaron and Moses? Yet, only she was put outside the camp for a sin that encompassed her and Aaron. The point alludes to Miriam making an assertion to be in the same positioning as her Male brothers. The result is that she is set outside the camp for 7 days, where a Priest would have to come and check to see if she was healed of her leprosy in order to be readmitted to the camp. In Deuteronomy 1 we see Moses recall how he set Men over Israel, but women are not mentioned. </span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">I didn't want to have to write this post. I've been on a personal note dealing with my own health and state. I had a friend that I considered as blood started drifting into this. I gave caution that this subject would be our undoing and I made an effort to strengthen the bonds of our relationship aside from this. I didn't take it as a personal grievance in which I had to go to her over and argue in private because my stance is Biblical, not personal. They took it as an insult that I didn't debate them over this but instead discussed the subject matter. I was right that this would end our bond.This stuff breaks my heart when I see people in error that are twisting scriptures and the argument is at its core "did God really say?"</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">"If you interpret this passage here, and you ignore that context there , then this passage could be interpreted this way and if we interpreted it that way then this passage could be taken this way and if we do that, then there isn't an issue with whatever doctrine we're reading into the text"</span></p><br /><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">I don't know how to end this. </span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Women aren't pastors though, no more than men calling themselves women are women. </span></p><br /><br /></span>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-66020299883299500022023-01-27T14:43:00.003-08:002023-01-27T14:43:32.915-08:00Paul and law<p> Writings of Paul:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Galatians 1:6 </p><p>I am amazed that you are so quickly <u>deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some</u> who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!</p><p><br /></p><p>Acts 15</p><p>15 Some men came down from <u>Judea and <b>began</b> teaching the brethren</u>, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”</p><p><br /></p><p>Col 2 </p><p>8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, <u>according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary <b>principles of the world</b>, rather than according to Christ. </u>9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority; 11 and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; 12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14 <u>having canceled out the certificate of debt</u> consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>20 If you have died with Christ to <u>the elementary principles of the world, </u>why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as, 21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—<u>in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?</u> 23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in <u>self-made religion</u> and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p> Gal 3:21 <u>Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be!</u> For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law</p><p><br /></p><p>Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.</p><p><br /></p><p>Gal 4</p><p>So also we, while we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental things of the world. 4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, 5 so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. 6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”</p><p><br /></p><p>Gal 4 </p><p>However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. 9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.</p><p><br /></p><p>Gal 5</p><p>Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Gal 5</p><p> But I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted? Then the stumbling block of the cross has been abolished. 12 I wish that those who are troubling you would even mutilate themselves.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Gal 5</p><p> But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God</p><p><br /></p><p>Romans 7</p><p> For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Gal 6 </p><p>For those who are circumcised do not even keep the Law themselves, but they desire to have you circumcised so that they may boast in your flesh. 14 But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets.</p><p>(Acts 24:14)</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.</p><p>(Romans 2:13)</p><p>If you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal?</p><p>(Romans 2:19-21)</p><p>Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.</p><p>(Romans 3:20)</p><p>Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.</p><p>(Romans 3:31)</p><p>What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet</p><p>(Romans 7:7)</p><p>So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.</p><p>(Romans 7:12)</p><p>For in my inner being I delight in God's law</p><p>(Romans 7:22)</p><p>Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.</p><p>(Romans 7:25)[note the contrast of sin and God's law]</p><p>The sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.</p><p>(Romans 8:7)</p><p>To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law.</p><p>(1 Corinthians 9:21)</p><p>Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.</p><p>(2 Thessalonians 2:3 )</p><p>And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming</p><p>(2 Thessalonians 2:8)</p><p>The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders</p><p>(2 Thessalonians 2:9)</p><p><br /></p><p>We know that the law is good if one uses it properly</p><p>(1 Timothy 1:8)</p><p><br /></p><p>1 Corinthians 5:7-8 Paul tells people to keep Passover</p><p>1 Corinthians 7:19-All that matters Are God's commands</p><p>1 Corinthians 9:21- Paul admits he is under God's law</p><p>1 Corinthians 8:9-13- The weak in the faith issue is meat sacrificed to idols.</p><p>1 Corinthians 14:37-Paul writes the lord's commandments</p><p>Romans 11:13-17- We are grafted into Israel</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Ephesians 2:19-20 we are no longer Gentiles but are now Israel </p><p><br /></p><p>2 Timothy 3:14-17- Sacred scriptures are good for rebuke, reproof, encouragement</p><p><br /></p><p>Hebrews 4:9-11-The Sabbath Remains don’t be disobedient</p><p>Hebrews 10:1- Law is a shadow of the good things to come</p><p>Hebrews 10:4- Sacrifices were never to take away sins</p><p>Hebrews 10:16- Law on hearts/New covenant</p><p>Hebrews 10:26-29-Lawlessness will be judges harshly</p><p>Hebrews 11:4- Sacrifices were before the law</p><p>Hebrews 11:27-29 Moses saved by Faith, not commands as some say.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Acts 20:16 - Paul still keeping the feasts of God ( Pentecost/Shavuot)</p><p>Acts 20:6 Paul still keeping the feasts of God ( unleavened bread)</p><p><br /></p><p>Acts 21:17-26</p><p>17 After we arrived in Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18 And the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 After he had greeted them, he began to relate one by one the things which God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; 24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who have believed, we wrote, having decided that they should abstain from meat sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.” 26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day, purifying himself along with them, went into the temple giving notice of the completion of the days of purification, until the sacrifice was offered for each one of them.</p><p><br /></p>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-36984091559590867912023-01-05T11:35:00.009-08:002023-01-05T12:45:00.330-08:00The Best Of <p> I've been maintaining this blog for at least 7 years now, if not longer and for those of you who may be new, I though I would put together some of the highlights from over the years into one "Best Of" post. <br /><br />The Giant Scripture list that that I use often that is the culmination and expansion of years of study and work on the subject of the Law of God in the life of the believer :<br /><a href="http://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2012/09/oh-you-know-just-some-study-notes.html">"Oh you know... Just Some Study Notes" </a><br /><br /><br />The sons of God are NOT Angels. The sons of God of Genesis 6 were righteous men that called on God <br /><a href="http://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2021/12/theories-of-genesis-6-are-as-follow-1.html">"Expanded S.O.G."</a><br /><br /><br />The Talmud is something that many in the Hebrew faith keep consulting for doctrine, but in these posts I explore the wisdom in that <br /><a href="http://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-talmud.html">"The Talmud"</a> and<a href="http://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2020/02/a-tale-of-two-torah.html"> "A Tale Of Two Torah" </a><br /><br /><br />A while ago an Apostate by the name of Justin Best of the ironically named "Christian Truthers" made a loud statement as to why in leaning on his own understanding, Paul's writings were not to be considered scripture. He put out a set of 3 videos and I waded through each of them in my posts titled<br /><a href="http://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2020/04/in-defense-of-paul.html">"In Defense of Paul "</a><br /><br /><br />There was a meme circulating of "200 Flat Earth Scriptures" that listed a large amount of scriptures, likely betting that nobody would check them and assume the premise of the flat earth to be correct. Well, I waded through that hot mess<br /><a href="http://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2018/10/flat-tops-dissecting-flat-earth-meme.html">"Flat Tops- Dissecting Flat Earth Meme (Row A)"</a> <br /><br />Occasionally I would collaborate with others on subjects, like coming together with a few friends in a refutation of a few extrabiblical texts and where they contradict scripture<br /><a href="http://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2020/03/heretical-refutations.html">"Heretical Refutations"</a><br /><br />I at one time was encountering a lot of resistance on subjects because some one had started with a faulty foundation an then spent a great deal of time building upon that broken reasoning. I found that I had difficulty piercing a misunderstanding the higher someone had built their doctrine off of it. This inspired me to write <a href="http://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2018/01/the-dangers-of-bad-logic.html"><br />"The Dangers of Bad Logic" </a><br /><br />If you have been walking a Hebraic lifestyle for any amount of time its almost certain that you've been called a Pharisee for your desire to be obedient to God <br /><a href="http://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2021/04/p-word.html">"The P Words" </a><br /><br />This here is the closest thing to a parable I've ever written <br /><a href="http://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2015/09/drug-addict.html">"Drug Addict" </a><br /><br />Every once and a while I would write something creative. Its not a doctrinal stance or a scriptural refute, It's just a night club called Purgatory <br /><a href="http://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-bar-scene.html">"The Bar Scene" </a><br /><br />In the light of the Ferguson Riots and I, Myself coming out of a hostile church situation my heart was scuffed up prompting me to write <br /><a href="http://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2014/11/disgraceful-aftertastes.html">"Disgraceful Aftertastes" </a><br /><br />I've gone several rounds on the subject of one false book in particular. I would be remiss if I didn't include the findings in this post <br /><a href="https://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2022/07/ive-heard-proponents-of-heretical-book.html">"Enoch is a Snare" </a></p>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-91537521151914948312022-12-01T10:23:00.003-08:002022-12-01T10:30:12.388-08:00To Christian Pastors <p>I am writing this to Christian Pastors whom I love and whom I see labor hard in the faith on behalf of our Lord Yeshua ( Jesus). <b> </b>I see your sacrificial giving and your time arranging church functions and feeding and clothing the homeless and the needy, these are pure right and righteous things. I acknowledge that with in you. I write this post however because these questions eat away at me and again I have loving concern not only for you yourselves, but the greater body. <br /><br />Every year the churches put up christmas trees and they celebrate christmas. They say that christmas is the story of Jesus birth. Does it not concern anyone that christmas is nowhere in the Bible? Many of you , I know, Know that the origins of christmas are pagan in nature. <br /><br /><br /></p><p><b><u></u></b></p><blockquote><p><b><u>The Zondervan Pictorial Encyclopedia of the Bible:</u></b></p><p>"Gradually a number of prevailing practices of the nations into which Christianity came were assimilated and ...were combined with the religious ceremonies surrounding Christmas. The assimilation of such practices generally represented <b>efforts by Christians to transform or absorb otherwise pagan practices.<br /></b>The Feast of Saturnalia in early Rome, for example, was celebrated for 7 days from the 17th to the 24th of December and was marked by a spirit of merriment, gift giving to children and other forms of entertainment. Gradually, <b>early Christians replaced the pagan feast</b> with the celebration of Christmas; <b>but many of the traditions of this observance were assimilated and remain to this day </b>a part of the observance of Christmas. Other nations, the Scandinavians, Germans, French, English and others, have left their mark . . . as well (pp. 804, 805)."</p></blockquote><p></p><p><b><u></u></b></p><blockquote><p><b><u>The Christian Encyclopedia</u></b></p><p>"Various<b> symbolic elements of the pagan celebration, such as the lighting of candles, evergreen decorations</b>, and the giving of gifts, were adapted to Christian signification. Later as Christianity spread into northern Europe, the Celtic, <b>Teutonic, and Slavic winter festivals contributed holly, mistletoe, the Christmas tree, bonfires, and similar items</b>."</p></blockquote><p></p><p><b><u></u></b></p><blockquote><p><b><u>Unger's Bible Dictionary:</u></b></p><p>"The giving of presents was a Roman custom; <b>while the yule tree and yule log are remnants of old Teutonic nature worship. Gradually the festival sank into mere revelry . . . . The custom was forbidden by an act of parliament in 1555; </b>And the reformation brought in a refinement in the celebration of Christmas by emphasizing it Christian elements."</p></blockquote><p></p><p><br />We know that this is a pagan custom. Heres where christmas is problem <br /><br /><br /></p><p><b></b></p><blockquote><p><b>Deut 12:29-32</b></p><p>“When the Lord your God cuts off before you the nations which you are going in to dispossess, and you dispossess them and dwell in their land, 30 <b>beware that you are not ensnared to follow them</b>, after they are destroyed before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘<b>How do these nations serve their gods, that I also may do likewise?</b>’ 31 <b><u>You shall not behave thus toward the Lord your God, for every abominable act which the Lord hates they have done for their gods</u></b>; for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.32 “<b>Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it.</b></p></blockquote><p><b></b></p><p><br />We are not supposed to worship God in the ways that the pagans worship their false gods. <br /><br /><b></b></p><blockquote><b>Exodus 32</b><br /> So all the people tore off the gold rings which were in their ears and brought them to Aaron. 4 Then he took the gold from their hands, and fashioned it with an engraving tool and made it into a cast metal calf; and they said, “This is your god, Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt.” 5 Now when Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of it; and Aaron made a proclamation and said, <b><u>“Tomorrow shall be a feast to the Lord.”</u></b></blockquote><b><u></u></b><br />When we take a day and say this is good enough for us to worship with, when we abandon all the rest of His Holy appointed times, are we not as guilty as the adversary ?<br /><b><br /></b><blockquote><b>Daniel 7:25 </b>He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will <u>intend to make alterations in times and in law;</u> and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time</blockquote><br />Now why are we in churches still doing this? Why are we telling people that this is true and this is Biblical? Isnt that a lie? <br /><br /><br /><b></b><blockquote><b> Revelation 21:8</b> But for the cowardly, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and sexually immoral persons, and sorcerers, and idolaters, <b><u>and all liars</u></b>, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”</blockquote>If we are not preaching the full truth, then who are we seeking to please? Are we guilty of being like Jeremiah 5?<br /><br /><blockquote><b>Jeremiah 5: 30 </b>“An appalling and horrible thing<br />Has happened in the land:<br />31 <b>The prophets prophesy falsely,<br />And the priests rule on their own authority</b>;<br />And My people love it this way!<br />But what will you do when the end comes?</blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p>There is a warning for this</p><p><br /></p><p><b></b></p><blockquote><p><b>Ezekiel 13</b></p><p>Therefore, thus says the Lord God, “<b>Because you have spoken falsehood and seen a lie, therefore behold, I am against you,</b>” declares the Lord God. 9 “<b>So My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will have no place in the council of My people, nor will they be written down in the register of the house of Israel</b>, nor will they enter the land of Israel, that you may know that I am the Lord God. 10 It is definitely because they have misled My people by saying, ‘Peace!’ when there is no peace</p></blockquote><p> </p><p></p><p><b></b></p><blockquote><p><b>Malachi 2</b></p><p>“And now this commandment is for you, O priests. 2 If you do not listen, and if you do not take it to heart to give honor to My name,” says the Lord of hosts, “then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings; and indeed, I have cursed them already, because you are not taking it to heart. 3 <b>Behold, I am going to rebuke your offspring, and I will spread refuse on your faces, the refuse of your feasts; and you will be taken away with it.</b></p></blockquote><p><br /><br />Again, I say this out of love and for all that you do right, I'm asking that you add this to that list. Don't lie about what christmas is. Ditch the lie of elf on the shelf, and the lie of santa clause, and the lie that christmas is Biblical</p><p><b></b></p>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-40180022421389721412022-07-24T00:01:00.001-07:002022-07-24T00:01:32.587-07:00Enoch is a snare<p>I've heard proponents of the heretical book of Enoch try to justify adding the false book by saying that Jude mentions a prophecy not found in scripture. </p><p></p><blockquote>1 Enoch 1:9 - And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of <His> holy ones To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy <all> the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works <of their ungodliness> which they have ungodly committed, <And of all the hard things which> ungodly sinners <have spoken against Him. </blockquote><p></p><p>Aside from not being a direct word for word quote which they also claim, isnt this really speaking of the prophecy of Psalms 149 which IS actual scripture and not counterfeit </p><p></p><blockquote>6The high praises of God shall be in their mouths,<br />And a two-edged sword in their hands,<br />7To execute vengeance on the nations,<br />And punishment on the peoples,<br />8To bind their kings with chains,<br />And their dignitaries with shackles of iron,<br />9To execute against them the judgment written.<br />This is an honor for all His godly ones. <br />Praise the LORD!</blockquote><p><br /><br /><br />People want to say that "Jude quotes enoch". The reality is that the fake book that is enoch, quotes Jude in an attempt to legitimize itself. Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary puts Enochs authorship between the 2nd and the 10 century A.D.!!!<br />It goes so far to say that its nothing more that a home - grown-product of slavic religious culture. It wasn't written by Enoch in the Bible any more than I could change the name of Wilber to Moses and say that Exodus quotes Charlotts web. Setting that aside and just for a second, lets entertain the notion that Enoch FRAGMENTS, did I forget to mention that the dead sea scrolls only found fragments, not an actual book of enoch.... but lest say that the scraps of text we have WERE in Enoch... so what. That doesn't make Enoch scripture. <br /><br />Lets look at this verse in Isaiah <br /><br /></p><blockquote> Isaiah 49:7<br />“Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.”</blockquote><p></p><p><br />Now, we have to decide on if we're going to make the book of mormon scripture because this verse:<br /><br /></p><blockquote> 1 Nephi 21:7 <br />7 Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nations abhorreth, to servant of rulers: Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful.</blockquote><br /><br />Its the same scripture. We don't say that Isaiah quoted the book of mormon. We don't use the book of Isaiah to legitimize another heretical book that is not part of the cannon that leads people astray in how they rationalize and filter the ACTUAL Word of God. <br /><br />What about this in Matt 4<br /><p></p><p></p><blockquote>5 Then the devil *took Him along into the holy city and had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and he *said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written:‘He will give His angels orders concerning You’; and ‘On their hands they will lift You up, So that You do not strike Your foot against a stone.’”</blockquote><p></p><p><br />Do we then say HMMM this Devil guy is quoting scripture therefore EVERYTHING He says should be the authoritative word of God? <br /><br />NO.<br /><br /><br /><br />I go over the sons of God extensively in a separate post found here --> <a href="https://therealgiantslayer.blogspot.com/2021/12/theories-of-genesis-6-are-as-follow-1.html">X <-- Click here</a><br /></p><p>Some try to argue that Yeshua "quoted Enoch"<br /><br />They say that Enoch 48:1<br /></p><blockquote> In that place I beheld a fountain of righteousness, which never failed, encircled by many springs of wisdom. Of these all the thirsty drank, and were filled with wisdom, having their habitation with the righteous, the elect, and the holy.</blockquote><br /><br />is quoted in <br /><br /><p></p><blockquote> John 4:14<br />14 but <span style="color: #800180;">whoever drinks</span> of the water that I will give him shall never be thirsty; <span style="color: #ffa400;">but the water that I will give him will become in him a</span><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> fountain of water springing up to eternal life</span>.”</blockquote><br /><br />but John 4:14 is citing any number of passages already in the scripture <br /><br /><br /><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>Is 12:3 Therefore you will joyously<span style="color: #ffa400;"> draw water </span><span style="color: #ffa400;">From the springs of salvation</span>.<br /><br /></li><li>Is 55:1 “You there!<span style="color: #800180;"> Everyone who thirsts, come to the waters</span>; And you who have no money come, buy and eat. Come, buy wine and milk Without money and without cost.</li></ul><p></p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>Is 58:11 And the Lord will continually guide you, And satisfy your desire in scorched places, And give strength to your bones; <span style="color: #ffa400;"> And you will be like a watered garden, And like a spring of water whose waters do not fail.</span></li></ul><p></p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>Jer 2:13 “For My people have committed two evils: <span style="color: #ffa400;">They have abandoned Me, The fountain of living waters</span>, To carve out for themselves cisterns, Broken cisterns That do not hold water.</li></ul><p></p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>Psalms 36:8-9 They drink their fill of the abundance of Your house; And You allow them<span style="color: #2b00fe;"> to drink from the river of</span> Your delights. 9 F<span style="color: #2b00fe;">or the fountain of life is with You</span>; In Your light we see light.</li></ul><p></p><p>Yeshua didn't consider Enoch scripture. The Tanak of the old testament cannon was in place at Yeshua's time. <br /><br />Paul quotes from two Greek poets–Epimenides and Aratus in Acts 17:27-28<br /><br /></p><blockquote>that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’</blockquote><br />Does this mean that Greek poems about zeus are now scripture? We SHOULD be able to immediately see what horrible logic that is. One justification and now we have a pantheon of false gods. <br /><br /><br /><br />The book of Enoch contains clear use of biblical passages from Isaiah, Zecheriah, and Ezekiel which were clearly written long after Enoch died.<br />Mt Sinai was mentioned in Enoch, which he wouldn't have known by name. . <br /><br />What about the argument " But the Ethiopian church had it in their Bibles" <br />The Ethiopian church was judged as heretical in 451 A.D. and considered the secular historian Josephus as scripture. <br /><p></p><p>Daniel Kipton Musson from Back2Center Ministries shared this regarding the Canon.</p><p></p><blockquote>First, the Jews themselves never accepted the Deuterocanonical books that Orthodox and Catholic Christians accept.<br />-We actually see the concept of a closed canon of the OT within the Intertestamental period between Malachi and Matthew.<br />-The introduction to Sirach/Ecclesiasticus by the author introduces the Law, Prophets, Minor prophets as the Canon.<br />-And we see in 2 Macc. 2:13-14 where the Scriptures themselves are inside of the temple.<br />-And Josephus in his work to Apion lists the 22 Books (Jews counted differently their books, they never separated it into 1 & 2, 3, 4 etc.).<br />-Philo of Alexandria does the same as well. The council of Jamnia in 90 AD which was on the canon never did as well.<br />-Now going on to the Christians. Both the earliest list of canons by Melito of Sardis and Origen are recorded in Eusebius "Ecclesiastical History" and mentions the same canon as the Jews.<br />-Eusebius himself gives list of the books which are canonical, spurious, not listed, etc. And mentions the same amount of both OT and NT books.<br />-Cyril of Jerusalem in his catechetical lectures in 350 AD list the same as well.<br />-Hilary of Poitiers list OT books. Never mentions them. Circa 360 AD.<br />-The Synod of Laodicea in 363 AD had to do with the Canon of Scripture, never mentions them.<br />-Athanasius in his 39th Festal epistle mentions the entire canon, not a single one of them.<br />-In the 380's, you had Gregory of Nazianzus, Basil the Great, Amphilocius of Iconium, and Epiphanius of Salamis give their canons and not one of those books are mentioned.<br />-Jerome, the editor and creator of the Latin Vulgate, was very learnt into Hebrew and never accepted those books as canonical.<br />-Augustine, at first did believe those books to be Scriptural/canonical, and as a result both the councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397) were influenced by him to accept them.<br />-But later on, came to view them as historical rather than prophetical. See "City of God: Book 18, Chapter 36"<br />-Rufinus never accepted them. Neither did Leontius of Byzantium, Catalogue of the Sixty Books, Stichometery of Nicephorus, John of Damascus etc.</blockquote><p></p><p><br /><br /> <br /><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Compiled here from several references are refutations of the heretical books of Enoch, I collaborated with Joseph Schauer This part is his comparisons. </p><p></p><blockquote><p>☠️Enoch 6:1-6</p><p>1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2 And the Angels, the children of heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another, "Come, let us choose us men from among he children of men and beget us children." 3 And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them "I fear ye will not agree indeed to do this deed, and I alone will have to pay the penalty for this great sin." 4 And they all answered him and said "Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing." 5 Then swear they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 6 And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.</p></blockquote><p></p><p><br /></p><p>Enoch is referring to the same time frame in Genesis 6:1. We know this because Genesis 6:1 says pretty much the same statement that Enoch 6:1 makes. Genesis 6:1 tells us that the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them daughters just like in Enoch 6:1. Now in Chapter 8, we see a contradictory statement. Let's have a look.</p><p></p><blockquote><p>☠️Enoch 8:1</p><p>And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures.</p></blockquote><p></p><p></p><blockquote><p>📖Genesis 4:20-22</p><p>20 Adah bore Jabal; he was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock. 21 His brother's name was Jubal; he was the father of all those who play the lyre and pipe. 22 Zillah also bore Tubal-cain; he was the FORGER OF ALL INSTRUMENTS BRONZE AND IRON. The sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>In Enoch 8:1 we are told that Azâzêl taught men how to work metals. Yet Genesis 4:20-22, before men multiplied on the earth like in Enoch 6:1 and Genesis 6:1, we are told that Tubal-Cain was a forger of all instruments bronze and iron. That is a contradiction to the Book of Enoch that leaves us in a position to choose either Torah or Enoch. I think it is safe to say that Torah doesn't contradict itself, Enoch does.</p><p>This Book is loaded with passages which contradict Scripture .</p><p>Contradiction #2</p><p></p><blockquote><p>☠️Enoch 10:1</p><p>1 Then said The Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of alameda, and said to him: 2 "Go to Noah and tell him in my name Hide thyself!" And reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all who is on it.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>Ok, here in Enoch we are told that The Most High is about to destroy the earth.</p><p></p><blockquote><p>☠️Enoch 10:8</p><p>8 And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azâzêl: to ascribe him all sin.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>Here we are told that Azâzêl is responsible for all sin. But this is not what scripture teaches. Genesis 3 tells us Adam was responsible for all sin. And the Book of Romans confirms this as well.</p><p></p><blockquote><p>📖Romans 5:12</p><p>12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>The contradictions don’t stop there.</p><p>Contradiction #3</p><p></p><blockquote>📖Genesis 6:13-16<br />13 And God said to Noah, “I have determined to make an end of all flesh, for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14 Make yourself an ark of gopher wood. Make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and out with pitch. 15 This is how you are to make it: the length of the ark 300 cubits, its breadth 50 cubits, and its height 30 cubits. 16 Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above, and set the door of the ark in its side. Make it with lower, second, and third decks.</blockquote><p></p><p>Here we are told that God commanded Noah to build the ark. But what does Enoch say?</p><p></p><blockquote>☠️Enoch 67:1-2<br />1 And in those days the word of God came unto me, and he said unto me: "Noah, thy lot has come up before me, a lot without blame, a lot of love and uprightness. 2 And now the Angels are making a wooden building, and when they have completed that task</blockquote><p></p><p>There is a false teaching going around that originates from the Book of Enoch which postulates that reading and writing are part of the dark arts.</p><p></p><blockquote>☠️Enoch 68:9-16The name of the fourth is Penemue: he discovered to the children of men bitterness and sweetness; And pointed out to them every secret of their wisdom. He taught men to understand writing, and [the use of] ink and paper. Therefore numerous have been those who have gone astray from every period of the world, even to this day. For men were not born for this, thus with pen and with ink to confirm their faith; Since they were not created, except that, like the angels, they might remain righteous and pure. Nor would death, which destroys everything, have effected them; But by this their knowledge they perish, and by this also [its] power consumes [them].</blockquote><p></p><p>Here we are told that the Angel Penemue taught men how to understand writing. And that because of reading and writing, many have gone astray because writing was never meant to be for men and that writing makes men unrighteous and impure. It even appears to have stated that death itself would have never affected us if we never learned how to read and write. Let me make something crystal clear. Writing and reading does not make anyone unrighteous or impure in even the slightest sense. Writing is not part of the Dark Arts that fallen Angels taught men like this absurd passage teaches. We do not die because we know how to read and write either, we die because of our fallen sin nature which still curses and consumes us. Nowhere in Gods Law was writing ever forbidden, declared sin, nor are we told it could even make somebody ceremonially unclean. That is not a teaching from the Bible, that is a teaching from men. None of the patriarchs or prophets ever warned about the dangers of reading or writing. And as a matter of fact, The Most High God Himself wrote the 10 commandments on stone before he handed them to Moses. God would never do anything unrighteous or impure. This is one of the most blasphemous teachings that I have ever heard. To say that the men who gave us the written word of God, which was written by the Prophets, Apostles, Holy men of God and even God Himself by the power and inspiration of the Holy Spirit, were unrighteous, impure and were engaging in one of the Dark Arts given to us via fallen angels is blasphemous and heretical in every sense. This is one of the many false teachings of the Book of Enoch that adds to Scripture. Let’s look and see what the Bible has to say about adding words to Scripture.</p><p>📖Deuteronomy 4:2</p><p>You shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall you diminish from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.</p><p>📖Deuteronomy 12:32</p><p>What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: you shall not add thereto, nor diminish from it.</p><p>📖Revelation 22:18-19</p><p>For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.</p><p>Will a Holy and Elect race from Heaven mix their seed with the children of men after the judgment?</p><p>I guess according to the Book of Enoch, a Holy and Elect race from the upper heavens will one day mix their seed with the children of men.</p><p>☠️Enoch 39:1</p><p>In those days shall the elect and holy race descend from the upper heavens, and their seed shall then be with the children of men. Enoch received books of indignation and wrath, and books of hurry and agitation.</p><p>Interesting considering the fact that proponents of the Book of Enoch claim that the entire book was written because Angels had sex with women and that act was a great sin and act of rebellion against God. Then, in Enoch 39:1 we are told that a Holy and Elect race will descend from Heaven (even though HUMANS are in SHEOL and Matthew 22 says the ANGELS IN HEAVEN DONT MARRY WOMEN) and mix their seed (a rebellious sin) in women. The contradictions in the Book of Enoch are as endless as they are silly.</p><p><br /><br /></p> -<br /><br />Daniel 7:13 I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a son of man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.<br /><br /> Enoch 48, says this figure is a light to the nations, and all who dwell on the earth will worship him and the righteous will have salvation in his name. Who does Enoch say the son of man, chosen one is in Chapter 71? <br /><br />Enoch. <br /><br />Not Yeshua. Enoch.<br /><br />Enoch teaches that Enoch is the messiah. Its a book LITERALLY teaching falsehood. <br /><br /><br /><p></p>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-76333560476137863972022-03-06T12:19:00.001-08:002022-03-06T12:19:13.020-08:00PostMil and Z14<span 15px="" 70ce.="" a="" about="" abundantly="" actual="" after="" again="" against="" all="" also="" and="" any="" arial="" as="" bar="" be="" benjamin="" but="" came="" can="" ce="" clear="" clearly="" clouds="" color:="" come="" consistent="" continue="" corner="" destruction.="" destruction="" detail="" did="" dissolve="" dwell="" e4042="" e4e6eb="" earth.="" earth="" egoe="" example.="" eyes="" feet="" first="" flesh="" font-family:="" font-size:="" form.="" fought="" from="" gate="" geba="" giba="" goes="" hananeel="" happen="" happened.olor:="" happened="" has="" hasn="" having="" helvetica="" her="" his="" historic="" i="" in="" inhabited.="" inhabited="" interpretation="" into="" is="" it="" jersualem="" jerusalem.="" jerusalem:="" jerusalem="" judea="" king="" kochba="" land="" level.="" literal="" longer="" lord="" made="" mouths.="" name="" no="" not="" of="" on="" one.="" one="" or="" over="" people="" perfect="" pip="" place="" places.="" plague="" plain.="" plain="" pre-wrap="" quot="" raised="" region="" reigning="" remmon="" revolution="" rimmon="" s="" safely="" saints="" sans-serif="" see="" shall="" shape="" sockets="" south="" specific="" stand="" still="" strike="" such="" symbolic.="" t="" the="" their="" there="" they="" this="" to="" tongues="" tower="" turned="" ui="" up="" utter="" was="" way="" when="" which="" while="" white-space:="" who="" will="" winepresses="" with="" yahweh="" yet.="" z14="">From Raymond Hoeffs<br /><br /><br />Some inconsistencies between 70CE and Zechariah 14.
—Z14 Yahweh gathers all the nations against Jerusalem<span style="font-family: inherit;">
</span></span><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span class="pq6dq46d tbxw36s4 knj5qynh kvgmc6g5 ditlmg2l oygrvhab nvdbi5me sf5mxxl7 gl3lb2sf hhz5lgdu" face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: #3e4042; color: #e4e6eb; display: inline-flex; font-size: 15px; height: 16px; margin: 0px 1px; vertical-align: middle; white-space: pre-wrap; width: 16px;"><img alt="❌" height="16" referrerpolicy="origin-when-cross-origin" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/tdd/1/16/274c.png" style="border: 0px;" width="16" /></span></span>70CE Yahweh Gathered Rome led by Titus and Vespasian. They had soldier from other nations in their auxiliary camp, sure, but that was Rome being rallied. Parthia, for example, a nation inside the Roman sphere of influence, did not come against Jerusalem. <br />—Z14 The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished<br /><br /><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /><span class="pq6dq46d tbxw36s4 knj5qynh kvgmc6g5 ditlmg2l oygrvhab nvdbi5me sf5mxxl7 gl3lb2sf hhz5lgdu" face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: #3e4042; color: #e4e6eb; display: inline-flex; font-size: 15px; height: 16px; margin: 0px 1px; vertical-align: middle; white-space: pre-wrap; width: 16px;"><img alt="✅" height="16" referrerpolicy="origin-when-cross-origin" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t33/1/16/2705.png" style="border: 0px;" width="16" /></span></span>70CE matches this general description of all ancient warfare<span style="font-family: inherit;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: #3e4042; color: #e4e6eb; font-size: 15px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span></span>—Z14 Half of the city shall go into captivity,<span style="font-family: inherit;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: #3e4042; color: #e4e6eb; font-size: 15px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span></span><img src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/tdd/1/16/274c.png" />70CE most of the city’s inhabitants were killed. Only a tithe was sent into captivity.<div><br /></div><div> —Z14 But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. <br /><br /><br /><img src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/tdd/1/16/274c.png" />70CE the Jews in Jerusalem were completely cut off from Jerusalem. Rome occupied the city with the 10th Legion. Only 60 years later do we see the Bar Kochba rebels gather to Jerusalem to try and stop the Romans from building a temple to Jupiter in Jerusalem. <span style="font-family: inherit;"><span class="pq6dq46d tbxw36s4 knj5qynh kvgmc6g5 ditlmg2l oygrvhab nvdbi5me sf5mxxl7 gl3lb2sf hhz5lgdu" face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: #3e4042; color: #e4e6eb; display: inline-flex; font-size: 15px; height: 16px; margin: 0px 1px; vertical-align: middle; white-space: pre-wrap; width: 16px;"></span><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: #3e4042; color: #e4e6eb; font-size: 15px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span></span><p class="MsoNormal">Z14 Then the Lord will go forth And fight against those
nations, As He fights in the day of battle. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">—<span style="font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif; mso-bidi-font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji";">❌</span>70CE Yahweh did not go forth and
fight the <span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">“</span>all the nations<span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">”</span> which he gathered to fight against Jerusalem. There are two
accounts of heavenly armies fighting. One from Josephus and another from
Tacitus, but these heavenly armies did not oppose and fight against the armies
of Rome.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Z14 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of
Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be
split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the
mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">—<span style="font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif; mso-bidi-font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji";">❌</span>70 CE the mount of Olives was
mot split in any way. Not literally and not symbolically by Rome. The Mount of
Olives was not even attacked by Rome. The Mount of Olives is not analogous to
the Nile river prophetically <span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">“</span>going dry<span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">”</span> as when Isaiah 19 and Ezekiel 30 prophecy Nebuchadnezzar will
destroy Egypt. The Mount of Olives isn’t something that remotely compares. If
it said Jerusalem will be split in half, then sure, that would work better, but
it doesn’t. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Z14 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley, For the
mountain valley shall reach to Azal. Yes, you shall flee As you fled from the
earthquake In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">—<span style="font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif; mso-bidi-font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji";">❌</span>70 CE, The language to this
point in Zechariah 14 is about an actual city being conquered by an actual
armies. It’s already been shown that the Mount of Olives prophesied about here
=\= a Nile River kind of prophetic image, and this goes even further. Zechariah
compares this event to an actual time in history when people literally fled the
city on foot during an earth quake. It says people will actually flee between
the cleft of the split mountains. It’s impossible to get around this being
literal. I’ve been on the Mount of Olives. It ain’t split. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Z14 Thus YAHWEH my God will come, And all the saints with
You.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">—<span style="font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif; mso-bidi-font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji";">❌</span>70CE Yahweh did not come with
all His saints against Jerusalem. Yahweh came in power and <span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">“</span>in the clouds<span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">”</span> but not
with <span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">“</span>all His Saints.<span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">”</span>
Paul quotes this passage in 2 Thessalonians in regard to the 2nd coming of
Messiah. If you take a preterist view of 2 Thessalonians 2, then the logical
conclusion is full preterism. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Consider all of these event have not been fulfilled, and
Paul quote this passage about the return of Christ, It makes the most sense to
see Z14 as about the second coming. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Z14 It shall come to pass in that day That there will be no
light; The lights will diminish. 7 It shall be one day Which is known to the
Lord-- Neither day nor night. But at evening time it shall happen That it will
be light.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">—<span style="font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif; mso-bidi-font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji";">✅</span>70CE, again, and you<span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">’</span>ve shown this well, there is general conquest imagery in Z14
which can be attributed to any time Yahweh came in the clouds. This imagery
lines up with 70CE, but a couple pieces lining up with an event isn’t the same
as it prophesying the event.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Z14 And in that day
it shall be That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem, Half of them toward
the eastern sea And half of them toward the western sea; In both summer and
winter it shall occur. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">—<span style="font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif; mso-bidi-font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji";">❌</span>70CE, the Partial Preterist and
Postmillenial view point is forced to see Jerusalem literal in part of the
passage and figurative here with no clear reason why. The language about
Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, people taken captive, etc has been
literal all through the text. The things which can be proven to have not historically
actually happened the PPandPostmil perspective spiritualizes. It’s really bad
interpretation. This hasn’t happened yet.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">—Z14 8 in that day… 9 And Yahweh shall be King over all the
earth. In that day it shall be-- "The Lord is one," And His name one.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">—<span style="font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif; mso-bidi-font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji";">❌</span>70CE Yahweh has not come with
all His saints and Yahweh is not reigning over all the earth after having come
to earth. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Z14 All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to
Rimmon south of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be raised up and inhabited in her
place from Benjamin's Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate,
and from the Tower of Hananeel to the king's winepresses<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">—<span style="font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif; mso-bidi-font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji";">❌</span>70CE again, the consistent
interpretation see Jerusalem and Judea as the actual places. This has clearly
not happened yet. This goes into such specific detail about the region which is
made level. Giba to Remmon has not be made a plain. Jersualem was not inhabited
when Yahweh “came in the clouds” against Jerusalem in 70CE.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Z14 The people shall dwell in it; And no longer shall there
be utter destruction, But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif; mso-bidi-font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji";">❌</span>70 CE did not see Jerusalem
safely inhabited in any way shape or form. There is also still utter
destruction. The Bar Kochba revolution is a perfect example. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Z14 And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will
strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve
while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And
their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif; mso-bidi-font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji";">❌</span>70CE, this did not happen in the
literal or the symbolic. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<br /><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span face=""Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: #3e4042; color: #e4e6eb; font-size: 15px; white-space: pre-wrap;"></span></span></div>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-8003759227019154872021-12-13T14:33:00.023-08:002022-07-16T23:53:49.787-07:00Expanded S.O.G. <p> The theories of Genesis 6 are as follow <br /><br />1. Angels mated with human women & Nephilim are offspring of Angels and human women creating giants <br />2. Sons of God refers to obedient men in contrast to Daughters of men which would be secular women and Nephilim are men<br /><br /><br />Job:</p><p>Some say that Job is reference to Angels where it says in Job 1</p><p></p><blockquote>6Now <u><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">there was a day </span>when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord</b></u>, and Satan also came among them.</blockquote><p></p><p>and chapter 2</p><p></p><blockquote><b><u><span style="color: #800180;">Again,</span> <span style="color: #2b00fe;">there was a day</span> when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord</u></b>, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the Lord.</blockquote><p></p><p>The fact that "sons of God" appeared before the Lord does not automatically mean that the sons of God are angels and there is nothing in the text to support that. What is more harmonious to the totality of scripture, in my opinion, is that the sons of God are the righteous and obedient men.<br /><br /><br /></p><p>If we look at Exodus 23 we see the command for the Righteous men of God to appear before God</p><p></p><blockquote>14 “Three times a year you shall celebrate a feast to Me. 15 You shall keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread; for seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in that month you came out of Egypt. And no one is to appear before Me empty-handed. 16 Also you shall keep the Feast of the Harvest of the first fruits of your labors from what you sow in the field; also the Feast of the Ingathering at the end of the year when you gather in the fruit of your labors from the field.<b><u> 17 Three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord God.</u></b></blockquote><b><u></u></b><p></p><p>Echoed in Ex 34<br /><br /></p><p></p><blockquote><p>“The<u> firstborn <b>from every womb belongs to Me</b></u>, and all your male livestock, the firstborn from cattle and sheep. 20 You shall redeem with a lamb the firstborn from a donkey; and if you do not redeem it, then you shall break its neck. <u><b>You shall redeem all the firstborn of your sons</b></u>.<u><b> None are to appear before Me empty-handed.</b></u></p><p>21 “You shall work six days, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during plowing time and harvest you shall rest. 22 And you shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year. 23<u><b> Three times a year all your males are to appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel.</b></u> 24 For I will drive out nations from you and <u><b>enlarge your borders</b></u>, <u><b>and no one will covet your land when you go up three times a year to appear before the Lord your God.</b></u></p></blockquote><p><u><b></b></u></p><p>Look at what verse 24 says about that hedge of protection for these men that appear before God - Is this not the very thing that Satan says is applying to Job in Job 1 <br /><br /> Have You not made<u><b> a fence around him and his house and all that he has</b></u>, on every side?<u><b> You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. </b></u><br /><br /><br />What does Job 1:1 say about Job?<br /><br /></p><blockquote>There was <u>a man</u> in the land of Uz whose name was Job; and<b> that man was<u> blameless, upright, fearing God </u>and turning away from evil</b></blockquote><b><br /></b><br />What did that man do? <br /> <br /><br /><blockquote>Job 2:1<b>Again, there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves</b> before the Lord, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the Lord.</blockquote><p></p><p></p><blockquote> Job 2:3The Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job?<u> For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man fearing God and turning away from evil</u>. And<b><u> he still holds</u></b> firm to his integrity, although you incited Me against him to ruin him without cause</blockquote><p></p><p><br /><br />That Sons of God are a classification of people that do righteousness, and those that don't are not sons of God, is affirmed in scripture time and again. <br /><br /></p><blockquote>1 John 3:10<br />No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God. 10<u> By <b>this the children of God</b> and the children of the devil are obvious</u>: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother and sister.</blockquote><p></p><p>Ergo, the men of righteousness appearing before the Lord at the appointed times would be in line with Men, and not angels , being the sons of God.<br /><br /><br /></p><u></u><p></p><p>The comparison to Job 38 can be made in several points but Job 38:7 being used to say that sons of God means angels is still an injection of that interpretation to the text when the text doesn't suppose it. .</p><p></p><blockquote>7 When the <u>morning stars</u> sang together <br />And all the <u>sons of God shouted for joy</u>?<br />8 “Or who enclosed the sea with doors<br />When it went out from the womb, bursting forth;<br />9 When I made a cloud its garment,<br />And thick darkness its swaddling bands,<br />10 And I placed boundaries on it<br />And set a bolt and doors,</blockquote><p>In this passage we see creative imagery and not literal things. The sea is not enclosed with doors, and it didn't come from the womb, clouds aren't clothes- morning stars and sons of God shouting for joy doesn't mean that sons of God are angels.<br /><br /> Lets also take a look at the contrast found in Psalms 148 where it appears that Angels are a separate classification from both the sun and moon that give praise, as well as these Humans that praise Him </p><p></p><blockquote><p>Psalm 148 </p><p> Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens; Praise Him in the heights!<br />2 Praise Him,<u> all His angels</u>; Praise Him, all His heavenly armies!<br />3 Praise Him, sun and moon; Praise Him,<u> all stars of light</u>!<br />4 Praise Him, highest heavens, And the waters that are above the heavens!<br />5 They are to praise the name of the Lord, For He commanded and they were created.<br />6 He has also established them forever and ever; He has made a decree, and it will not pass away.<br />7 Praise the Lord<u> from the earth, Sea monsters, and all the ocean depths;</u><br />8 <u>Fire and hail, snow and clouds; Stormy wind, fulfilling His word</u>;<br />9 Mountains and all hills; Fruit trees and all cedars;<br />10<u> Animals and all cattle</u>; Crawling things and winged fowl;<br />11 Kings of the earth and all peoples; Rulers and all judges of the earth;<br />12<b><u> Both young men and virgins; Old men and childr</u></b><u><b>en.</b></u><br />13They are to praise the name of the Lord, For His name alone is exalted;<br />His majesty is above earth and heaven.<br />14 <u><b>And He has lifted up a horn for His people, Praise for all His godly ones,<br />For the sons of Israel, a people near to Him. Praise the Lord!</b></u></p></blockquote><p><u><b></b></u></p><p></p><p>When Job 38:7 is read and stars singing next to sons of God shouting as some choose to say that because these are side by side and in the same event they MUST both be the same, we are obligated to reason the same manner to Psalm 148 and disregard all context and say that everything is angels. Sun, moon, angels, Israel, the sea, fire, hail, clouds, all of it is now angels. <br /><br />A critique of this explanation is that it must be grounded as a metaphor. Morning stars and sons of God at creation are speaking to a "thing" and are not metaphoric in of themselves. <br />This is a fair criticism. <br /><br />If it is not metaphor, is there text that places sons of God as men there rather than the injection of angels? For this let us look back at Genesis. </p><p><br /></p><p></p><blockquote> Gen 1 Then God said, “Let Us make<u> mankind</u> in Our image, according to Our likeness; and<u> let<b> them</b> </u>rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth.” 27 <u>So God created man</u> in His own image, in the image of God<u><b> He created him; male and female He created them</b></u>. 28 God blessed <b><u>them</u></b>; and <u><b>God said to them</b></u>, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.</blockquote>During creation, Mankind was made. <br />Look at it in Chapter 5 <blockquote>This is the book of the generations of Adam. <u>On the day </u>when God created man, <u><b>He made him in the likeness of God.</b></u> 2 <u>He created them male and female</u>, and He blessed<u><b> them</b></u> and named <u><b>them</b></u> “mankind” on<b><u> the day when they were created</u></b>. </blockquote><br />Chapter 5 is stating<u> on that day of Creatio</u>n, When God created man, He created THEM, Male and Female, Mankind- made in the image of God. <br />Mankind- plural<br />Them- plural<br />During creation to some degree- Adam, the son of God (contained within him a plurality) and he likely shouted for joy as was a reason man was created. <br /><br />When Adam has a son, it says he made his son in the likeness of Adam, this is the same language that is used for God making Adam for Adam making his son. Does Scripture say anywhere that angels were created in the image of God, that they may be called sons?<p></p><p>Scripture doesn't even mention Angels in Genesis chapter 1 or 2 creation accounts. Adam is mentioned. Eve is mentioned. Mankind is mentioned. Angels are not. So, to take Job and put angels there doesn't fit. Luke 3:38 states that Adam was a son of God the same way Genesis 5 does through genealogy <br /><br /></p><blockquote>38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, <u>the son of Adam, the son of God.</u></blockquote><br />Adam in a pre-sin perfect state would be in perfect obedience to God and fit BOTH qualifications of definition of sons of God <p></p><p><br />Furthermore, Since Job 38 must have a grounding for its spring boarding, then lets take a look at the importance of Hebrews 1 </p><p></p><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>5For to which of the angels did He ever say,<br />“<u>You are My Son</u>,<br />Today I have fathered You”?<br />And again,<br />“<u>I will be a Father to Him<br /></u><u>And He will be a Son to Me</u>”?</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><p></p><div><br /></div><p></p>Granted this about the Messiahship of the Savior, but if this implicates that God never said to angels you are My Son or Sons, they are not sons of God... but People are. If such could be said about angels, then the answer to the question posed here would be "Steve the angel son of God" or "Todd the angel, God's son" But since it is not the case, we have to ask "Can we find a single example in scripture where an angel is called a son? We do have examples of God calling men sons of God. <br /><blockquote><br /><blockquote>“<u><b>You are sons of the Lord your God</b></u>; you shall not cut yourselves nor shave a bald spot above your forehead for the dead. For you are a holy people to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for His personal possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.- Deut 14:1-2</blockquote><blockquote>“Blessed are the peacemakers, <b><u>for they will be called sons of God</u></b>.- Matthew 5:9</blockquote><blockquote>For <u><b>all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons and daughters of God.</b></u>- Romans 8:14</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>For the eagerly awaiting creation <u><b>waits for the revealing of the sons and daughters of God</b></u>.- Romans 8:19</blockquote></blockquote><p></p><div><blockquote><blockquote><div> “I will call those who were not My people, ‘My people,’</div><div>And her who was not beloved, ‘beloved.’”26 “And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘you are not My people,’<b> <u>There they shall be called sons of the living God.</u></b>”27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Though the number of the sons of Israel may be like the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved; - Romans 9:25-27</div></blockquote><div></div></blockquote><div><blockquote><blockquote><u><b>For you are all sons and daughters of God </b></u>through faith in Christ Jesus.- Galatians 3:26</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><u><b>Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts</b></u>, crying out, “Abba! Father!” - Galatians 4:6</blockquote></blockquote><p><br /> </p></div></div><p>Nephilim:</p><p><br /></p><p>It is said that the Nephilim were the offspring of the Sons of God and the daughters of men, but verse 4 seems to show that in the days prior and after the Sons of God married the daughters of mankind - these Nephilim already existed:</p><p></p><blockquote>The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty<u> men </u>who were of old, men of renown</blockquote><p></p><p>- and it states that these Nephilim were men.<br /><br />We see in Genesis 4 that Cain is now disowned and hidden from God's face on account of the violence that he enacted on his brother. </p><blockquote>Behold, <u>You have driven me this day</u> from the face of the ground; and<b><u> I will be hidden from Your face</u></b>, and I will be a wanderer and a drifter on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”</blockquote><p></p><div>Cain has no claim to be a son of God and should now go by a different designation, this is one group. It continues on in Chapter 4 </div><p></p><blockquote>To Seth also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. <u><b>Then people began to call upon the name of the Lord.</b></u></blockquote><p></p><p><br />This is now another designation separate from that of Cain and his murderous son who have been marked so that the world would know that they're murderers. This group of believers would be another designation, leaving another designation of secular people that are neither murderers/ people of violence nor are they believers <br /><br />Side note, Genesis 5 mirrors the genealogy of the Messiah in Luke 3:37-38 which states that Adam was son of God</p><p></p><blockquote>37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, 38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth,<u><b> the son of Adam, the son of God</b></u></blockquote><u><b></b></u><p></p><p>If we were to go from Gen 4, to Gen 5, to Gen 6 with these groups it might look like this:<br /><br />Gen 4- Cain and his sons are murderers/ Nephilim ( fellers of men, Men of renown seeing as God put a mark on Cain) <br />Gen 5 - sons of God genealogy of the Messiah containing generations of believers who began to call on God as stated in chapter 4 (along with others) <br />Gen 6 - Daughters of mankind- secular women , perhaps offspring of Cain and his camps <br /><br />Lets look at gen 6 in this context <br /><br /><br /></p><p></p><blockquote><blockquote>Now it came about, when <u>mankind</u> began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that <span style="color: #3d85c6;">the s<strike>ons of God </strike>[Men who had been calling on God ]</span> saw that the <strike><span style="color: #783f04;">daughters of mankind </span></strike><span style="color: #783f04;"> [secular women, off spring of the murderers camps] </span>were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain<u><b> with man forever</b></u>, because <b><u>he is also flesh</u></b>; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.” 4 <span style="color: #cc0000;"><strike>The Nephilim</strike> </span><span style="color: #cc0000;">[ First murderers, fellers of men, killers]</span> were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the <span style="color: #3d85c6;"><strike>sons of God</strike> [Believing group that to this point had been righteous] </span>came in to the <span style="color: #783f04;"><strike>daughters of mankind</strike>,</span> <span style="color: #783f04;">[Secular unbelieving women] </span>and they bore children to them. <span style="color: #cc0000;">Those </span>were the mighty <u><b><span style="color: #cc0000;">men who were of old, men of renown</span></b></u>.</blockquote><blockquote><br /></blockquote><blockquote>5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of<u> mankind</u> was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. 6 So the Lord was sorry that He had made <u>mankind </u>on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 Then the Lord said, “I will wipe out<u> mankind</u> <b><u>whom I have created </u></b>from the face of the land; <u>mankind</u>, and animals as well, and crawling things, and the birds of the sky. For I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.</blockquote></blockquote><p>Now we have to ask critically, if the flood was to destroy this race of half angels half men that spawned giants as some theorize , Then why do we see a re-emergence of giants after the flood that was to wipe them out? There is no record of these "fallen angels" coming back to take human wives a second time after the flood and thus create again a race of giants. We must account for that absence. </p><p>Though I do NOT hold the Septuagint to be reliable, take a look at this from Genesis 10: </p><p><br /></p><p></p><blockquote><p>Now Cush fathered Nimrod; he became a mighty one on the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod<u> a mighty hunte</u>r before the Lord.” </p><p>8 And Chus begot Nebrod: <b><u>he began to be a giant upon the earth</u></b>. He was a giant hunter before the Lord God; therefore they say, As<u> Nebrod the giant hunter</u> before the Lord. </p></blockquote><p></p><p>This is explained in Gen 6:5 </p><p></p><blockquote> Then the Lord saw that the<u> wickedness of <b>mankind</b></u> was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually.</blockquote><p></p><div>The case presented from Jude and Peter </div><p>What does 2 Peter 2 say that the subject is :<br /><br /></p><blockquote>But false prophets also appeared among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves</blockquote><br />The topic is a group among the faith group, presenting ideas and heresy that leads to destruction. <p></p><blockquote>And angels who did not keep their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling place, these He has kept in eternal restraints under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7<u> just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in sexual perversion and went after strange flesh</u>, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.- 2 Peter</blockquote><br /><br />The way that proponents of "angels are sons" of God read verse 7 is to tie it to Genesis 6, suggesting that angels entered into sexual perversion like Sodom and Gomorrah. It understandable how one might take that view but I believe that its a mistake. A counter perspective is that Jude is talking about groups that were once thought secure and then became destroyed. <br /><br /><blockquote>1:5 Now I want to remind you, though you know everything once and for all, that the Lord, <u>after saving a people out of the land of Egypt</u>,<u> subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.</u></blockquote><br />Believers, saved from Egypt -destroyed<br />Angels , removed from heaven- to place of destruction<br />Sodom and Gomorrah - place of destruction. like surrounding cities, going to place of destruction. <br /><br />The emphasis being not to compromise from obedience to following after lusts- not just sexual lusts, sin. There is no reason to be hyperfocal on sexual sin when the passage is about not succumbing to any of the fleshly lusts. That can include eating things that are not food according to God. That can include harboring malice. The word for desire or "lusts of the flesh" are Strong's G1939, The same word used here:<p></p><p><br /></p><blockquote>Luke 22:15 And He said to them, “I have eagerly G1939 desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer</blockquote><br /><br />This isn't some sexual perversion in wanting to keep the Passover. That is not a freaky sex thing that Paul is suggesting. It would be wrong to promote such a view. <br /><br />Lets look at the Jude passage as it reads from 2 Peter 2 <br /><br /><blockquote>For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, held for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but protected <u>Noah, a preacher of righteousness</u>, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example of what is coming for the ungodly; 7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the perverted conduct of unscrupulous people 8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds), 9<u> <b>then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from a trial, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, </b></u></blockquote><u><b></b></u><b><br /></b><br />Note that Jude and Peter are practically the same, the emphasis is about not losing a place of security for a place of destruction. Also again, important to highlight is verse 4<br /><br /><blockquote>For if God did not spare angels when they sinned,<u><b> but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, held for judgment </b></u></blockquote><u><b></b></u><br />Hell, Darkness, Held for Judgement... none of that is taking human wives. <br /><br /><br />Looking further, certain places God refers to humans as judges, and the word is "Elohim" but instead of being rendered as judge, its rendered as god. <br /><br /> "The Lord answered Moses: See! I have made you<u> a god to Pharao</u>h, and Aaron your brother will be your prophet." Ex 7<br /><br />Deuteronomy 32:8-9 is a questionable text and subject of criticism as some render it this way:<br /><br /><div></div><blockquote><div> When the Most High allotted each nation its heritage,</div><div> when he separated out human beings,</div><div>He set up the boundaries of the peoples</div><div> after the number of<u> the divine beings</u>;</div><div>9 But the Lord’s portion was his people;</div><div> his allotted share was Jacob.</div></blockquote><div></div><br /><br />"AHa "they say, "this is clearly about angels". But the text in other translations say:<br /><br /><br /><div></div><blockquote><div>When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance,</div><div>When He separated the sons of mankind,</div><div>He set the boundaries of the peoples</div><div>According to the number of the<u> sons of Israel</u>.</div><div>9 For the Lord’s portion is His people;</div><div>Jacob is the allotment of His inheritance.</div></blockquote><div></div><br />An argument I have heard is that this has to refer to angels because Israel didn't exist when God separated the borders. This is a strange objection because we know that He set the boundaries for Israel with Israel in mind, telling Abraham all the land that He would give to Israel his descendants. An entire covenant was made over it. <br />Some say that this text originally read "sons of God" but was altered because it may cause confusion and people might believe it to be angels. <br /><br /><br /><br />For the next part I respond to objections that were left on Facebook. <br /><br />"First, Son of God being a term for righteous human men is said to be the mystery unveiled to Paul in Ephesians 1, in which Paul states that mankind being adopted as sons of God is part of “the mystery of God’s will having been made known to us” “at the fullness of the dispensation of time.” A mystery is something that was once hidden or not easily or plainly seen. The context in the B’rit is very different than the context in the Tanakh. One is a mystery. The other is not."<br /><br /><br /><div class="cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql o9v6fnle" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto"><span style="color: #e4e6eb; font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: #3a3b3c; font-size: 15px;">Second, every Tanakh passage involving SOG refers to something other other than humans:</span></span><br /><br />This is demonstratably false unless you were to suggest that God is commanding Angels to maintain their beards as set apart from among the nations:<br /><br />“<u>You are <b>sons of the Lord your God</b></u>; you shall not cut yourselves nor shave a bald spot above your forehead for the dead. For you are a holy people to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for His personal possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.- Deut 14:1-2<br /><br /></div>I said, “You are gods, And <b><u>all of you are sons of the Most High</u></b>. -Psalm 82 :6<br /><br /><div class="cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql o9v6fnle" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;">Yet the number of the sons of Israel<br />Will be like the sand of the sea,<br />Which cannot be measured or counted;<br />And in the place<br />Where it is said to them,<br />“You are not My people,”<br />It will be said to them,</div><div class="cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql o9v6fnle" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;">“You are the <u><b>sons of the living God.”</b></u>- Hosea 1:10<br /><br /><br /></div></div><div class="cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql o9v6fnle" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto"><span style="color: #e4e6eb; font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: #3a3b3c; font-size: 15px;">1) The being in the fire with Hannaniah, Azariah, and Mishael.</span></span><br /><br />25 He responded, “Look!<u> I see four <b>men</b></u><b> </b>untied and walking about in the middle of the fire unharmed, and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods!<br /><br /><br /></div></div><div class="cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql o9v6fnle" style="background-color: #3a3b3c; color: #e4e6eb; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">2) Job 1, for there were no pilgrimage and feastly gatherings of the entire Body of Yah before the sinai covenant and,</div></div><div class="cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql o9v6fnle" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto">The Torah has been from the beginning, it was only ratified at Sinai. I believe that a form of Torah told Cain and Able to sacrifice even though Cain offered the wrong sacrifice. I believe that Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean animals because of this Torah that existed, and was likely taught to Adam as he walked with God in the cool of the day. As one other commented, Job is already aware of offering sacrifices on behalf of his children because he didn't know if they had sinned in their hearts- this speaks to a system already in place. <br /><span style="color: #e4e6eb; font-family: inherit;"><span><br /><br /><br /><span style="background-color: #3a3b3c; font-size: 15px;">Job 38, for these SOG sang God’s praises during the creation event before man was created. Even if we believe the sethite theorists, adam and eve were not redeemed or saved or made incorruptibly righteous by Yeshua’s blood (the B’rit’s definition for SOG), therefore the “righteous SOG” definition for men cannot apply to adam and eve.</span></span></span><br /><br />Adam and Eve need only be in a righteous state to be SOG. This indisputably applies to the pre-fall state of being , especially in a metaphoric passage where sarcasm and grandiose illustration are being used on behalf of God to convey significance to Job. <br /><br /></div></div><div class="cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql o9v6fnle" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto"><span style="color: #e4e6eb; font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: #3a3b3c; font-size: 15px;">3) Specifically, genesis 6 uses Sons of God in contrast to _mankind_ multiplying over the face of the earth. Then there is second more specific distinction made between sons of God and daughters of men. The specific context of genesis 6 strongly points toward SOG being something other than “mankind.” The Mesopotamian context of Genesis is filled with examples of heavenly beings coming down to interact in various ways with humans. Genesis unveils the truth of that interaction and that it wasn’t a blessing from above but a cursed interaction.</span></span><br /><br />Unless you're interpreting it incorrectly and Sons of God isn't to contrast mankind, but contrasts Daughters of Men and contrast Nephilim. The context of Genesis 6 points to an only human affair that involves 3 parties of humans. Believers, Secular, and Violent murderers. I do my best to use scripture to define scripture, not mix it with Mesopotamian theology or theology of surrounding cultures. <br /><br />Gen 4- Cain and sons murder take multiple wives <br />Gen 5 starting in the end of chapter 4, Men and women began calling on God at this time- List of men and women that began calling on God, as listed in Luke in the genealogy of the Messiah <br />Gen 6 - intermixing of Believers being swayed by hot secular women which has been an issue for the church forever. If you wanted to discuss the un-natural sexual component of Jude/ Lusts, maybe start with believers being swayed by multiple wives like Cain's sons. This still fits in the human context. <br /><br /></div></div><div class="cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql o9v6fnle" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto"><span style="color: #e4e6eb; font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: #3a3b3c; font-size: 15px;">Further, regarding “daughters of men” it is assumed that these are of the line of cain, but the text doesn’t say that in the slightest. One cannot just assume the conclusion. It must be demonstrated that sons of God equal descendants of seth and daughters of men equal women of the line of cain.</span></span><br /><br />Its possible that they were the daughters of Cain's camp, or could be non-believing women that left the group of believing men. Regardless they're secular. <br /><br /></div></div><div class="cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql o9v6fnle" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto"><span style="color: #e4e6eb; font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: #3a3b3c; font-size: 15px;">Additionally, the sethite theory can not be shown to exist prior to the greco-roman philosophizing so called “church fathers.” It first appears in the writings of Julius Africanus (180CE-250CE). Not only does the angelic theory best harmonize with the mesopotamian context of Genesis, it clearly pre-exists the sethite theory by centuries and is the universal view of the 2nd temple period as evidenced by the B’rit’s epistles of Jude, 2 Peter, and non-cannonical “1 Enoch.”</span></span><br /><br />Should we view scripture in light of Egyptian theology? Shall we say that sons of God are dog headed people that run the ferry to the underworld? How many lies should we carry because others have carried them first? People like to slap label's on things in order to make them easier to pigeonhole rather than do the work in the scriptures independently to seek a matter out. Those who object to humans being Sons of God as the scriptures show, often try to box my position as Sethite, a banner of which I had not studied nor rallied under. Let the fullness of scripture bear witness and the word of God define itself. Should we adopt the Pharisees view of the Messiah and therefore disqualify the Truth of the Savior simply because its what the culture understood at the time? <br /><br /></div></div><div class="cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql o9v6fnle" style="background-color: #3a3b3c; color: #e4e6eb; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">I’ll go on to rebut a few of your main points:</div></div><div class="cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql o9v6fnle" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto"><span style="color: #e4e6eb; font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: #3a3b3c; font-size: 15px;">First, your point from Hebrews 1. Which of the angels has God said “you are my son?” (In which, the author is quoting Psalm 2 and the Baptism accounts). This is not proof that angels are not “SOG.” This is proof that the only begotten Son of God is not an angel which inherits the kingdoms of the earth. He in whom we have our inheritance is not a mere angel, but is greater than the angels. The only begotten Son and “sons of God” are distinct terms even in the tanak. For, sons of god and angels are ministering spirits sent to aid humans. The Son is to sit at the right hand of the power and be Lord (mark 12 and psalm 110). The main point of Hebrews 1 is to define the person and origin of Christ and distinguish the Son from angels. It’s purpose is not to say sons of God aren’t angels. This passage is being taken out of context.</span></span><br /><br />I agree that the entire point is to show Christ and His Messiahship ...yet, if Angels are called sons of God then then entire point is lost. <u> Can a single verse that says the word angel and sons of God be found together where angels are the ones being called sons of God</u>? Several can be found for humans. <br /><br /><br /></div></div><div class="cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql o9v6fnle" style="margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto"><span style="color: #e4e6eb; font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: #3a3b3c; font-size: 15px;">Second, your point about angels not marrying. Jude says the angels left their heavenly estate.</span></span><br /> ... and as cast down in fallen state, why should they be called sons of God? They left heaven and were cast into hell into darkness awaiting judgment. <br /><br /><span style="color: #e4e6eb; font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: #3a3b3c; font-size: 15px;">... Matthew and Luke say “angels do not marry in heaven.” <br /><br />Genesis 6 says that they took women on the earth and took wives.<br /></span></span><br />Genesis 6 says that sons of God, of which no scripture says are angels but several say refers to humans, took wives. I have cited numerous verses that state that HUMANS are sons of God in the same verse. There has been zero verses provided that state Angels are sons of God- only innuendo and potential shoehorning angels into an ambiguous text. The word Angel appears nowhere in Genesis 6. Circular reasoning is being applied to this text to say Angels is what is here, therefore Angels is elsewhere. <br /><span style="color: #e4e6eb; font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: #3a3b3c; font-size: 15px;"><br /><br /> Angels/SOG taking wives on earth does not contradict what Yeshua says in Matthew 22 about angels not being given to marry in heaven.</span></span><span style="background-color: #3a3b3c;"><span style="color: #e4e6eb; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-size: 15px;"> </span></span></span>( I separated a portion because I wanted to address them separately below)<br /><br />In the context of Peter and Jude that state over and over and over again that those that choose rebellion against God do not stay in the state of right standing and are therefore cast down, cast out, and destroyed, placed in chains waiting judgement, in the pit... there is ZERO reason to believe that these would be referred to as sons of God. <br /><div class="cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql o9v6fnle" style="background-color: #3a3b3c; color: #e4e6eb; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;">Lastly, in regard to “angels do not have genitals.” Angels do not naturally have carnal forms. They’re spiritual beings. When they manifest in creation, they manifest in the appearance of men. In the narrative with Sodom and Gomorrah: They ate with Abram. They grab Lot with hands. It’s not a stretch to say that when they take physical form in the appearance of men that they appear as biological men in every way, including their genitals.)</div><div><br /></div></div><span style="color: #e4e6eb; font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: #3a3b3c; font-size: 15px;"><br /></span></span>There is a growing list of things we have to make allowances for in order for that to work<br />1. Angels cannot give into marriage in HEAVEN so in order to give into marriage, they have to leave heaven. <br />2. Scripture state that once they left heaven they were cast into the pit awaiting judgement- not taking wives, but if we set that aside for the time we still have to make allow for a second that God let this happen - cast them out of heaven but let them take wives<br />3. after being cast out of heaven and they chose to take wives, by what claim would they be called sons of God? IF we see that Yeshua has distinction that those that do the will of God will be called sons of God but OTHERS of disobedience are of the devil- how then do we get the designation that these devils are called sons of God? <br />4. Ignoring that and say that these fallen angels were allowed to take wives, and that before this happened Nephilim existed- and also after this happened Nephilim existed per the scripture- These "angels" had to develop genital's in order to procreate<br />5. Those fallen angels after the judgement of the flood that cleansed all the earth and creation washing away that race of giants spawned by angels and earth women- would have to have done this a second time in order to produce giants after the flood. <br /><br />If they weren't cast into the pit as scripture states, and IF they could take wives as long as they were outside of heaven , and IF they could develop genitals, and IF they could sire a race of Giants and IF the flood was to wash away those Giants because God was mad at angels taking hot wives-<br />why is there no account of this happening again after the flood where giants re-appeared <br /><br />Its MOST reasonable that instead of this mosaic of hypotheticals that if you look at in the specific way COULD maybe fit, Sons of God are humans which fits perfectly. <br /><br /><br /><span style="color: #e4e6eb; font-family: inherit;"><span style="background-color: #3a3b3c; font-size: 15px;"><br /></span></span></div></div><br /><span style="background-color: #3a3b3c; color: #e4e6eb; font-size: 15px;">Jude ties these passages together and makes it clear that the angels who left their first estate went after strange flesh. The Holy Spirit inspired Jude to connect angelic sin with sexual sin. Only Genesis 6 matches those details.</span><br /><br />Jude only says that if you read that in the text. Have you ever read that sentence that can have 7 different meaning depending on where you put the emphasis<br /><br /><blockquote>" “I never said she stole my money""</blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote> “I NEVER said she stole my money"<br /> “I never SAID she stole my money"<br /> “I never said, SHE stole my money"<br /> “I never said she STOLE my money"<br /> “I never said she stole MY money"<br /> “I never said she stole my MONEY"</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>This is a way people look at Jude. This commentator tries to say that Jude makes it clear that the subject is a fleshly sex scandal with the Angels, and not the issue that even Angels were in heaven - a place most any of us would think would be safe from falling and we would be able to dwell securely- and were cast out. Just as Sodom and Gomorrah were places that were destroyed and the surrounding places were destroyed- not dwelling securely because they went after strange flesh. The focal point is not a celestial sex scandal, its trusting that you're dwelling securely when you can be removed and destroyed. <br /><br />2 Peter is entirely about "groups" that think that they're secure, and then they are not. Angels thinking they're secure in heaven and then falling, JUST LIKE SODOM AND GOMORRAH acting bold thinking they were secure before they were destroyed, JUST like those who are in the church teaching heresies and destructive and perverse doctrines think that they are secure before they are destroyed.<br /><br /><br />Another point to ponder. IF the Nephilim were men like Cain that were taking multiple wives and murdering men- would that fit God saying that he destroyed the world because of violence? <br />What if that same sort of practice began again after the flood and those murderers- fellers of men were up to the same customs as Cain and his sons? Could that explain why Abraham was so afraid <br /><br /><br /><blockquote> Now there was a famine in the land; so Abram went down to Egypt to live there for a time, because the famine was severe in the land. 11 It came about, when he was approaching Egypt, that he said to his wife Sarai, “<u>See now, I know that you are a beautiful woman</u>; 12 and when the Egyptians see you, they will say, ‘<u>This is his wife’; and they will kill me, but they will let you live.</u> 13 Please say that you are my sister so that it may go well for me because of you, and that I may live on account of you.” 14 Now it came about, when Abram entered Egypt, that the Egyptians saw that the woman was very beautiful. 15 Pharaoh’s officials saw her and praised her to Pharaoh; and the woman was taken into Pharaoh’s house. - Gen 12 </blockquote><br /><br /><blockquote>And<u> GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great</u> in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of <b>his heart was only evil continually</b>.<br /> Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God,<u> and the earth was filled with violence</u>. 12 And God <u>looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for<b> humanity</b> had corrupted its way </u>upon the earth.- Gen 6 </blockquote><br /><blockquote>Lamech<u> took two wives for himself</u>: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other, Zillah Lamech said to his wives,<div><br /></div><div>“Adah and Zillah,</div><div>Listen to my voice,</div><div>You wives of Lamech,</div><div>Pay attention to my words,</div><div>For <u>I have killed a man for wounding me;</u></div><div><u>And a boy for striking me!</u></div><div>24 If Cain is avenged seven times,</div>Then Lamech seventy-seven times!”- Gen 4</blockquote><br /><br />In conclusion everywhere it says sons of God, rather than doing 6 or 7 "what if, could be, maybe if" steps, just put humans there because its 1 step and it fits. <br /><br />There are NO scriptures that say Angels are the sons of God in the same sentence the way that numerous verses that say humans ARE. <br /><br /> Exodus 4:22-23<br /> Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord says: “<u>Israel is My son</u>, My firstborn. 23 So I said to you, ‘<u>Let My son go so that he may serve Me</u>’; but you have refused to let him go. Behold, I am going to kill your son, your firstborn.”’”<p></p><div><br /></div>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-81737936833566078842021-07-24T18:11:00.000-07:002021-07-24T18:11:48.209-07:00Moral<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>In the beginning God created heaven and earth </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br />He didn't have to do that. He was under no obligation or duress to cause existence to be. He did it anyway. <div>He didn't have to knit me together in my mothers womb, He didn't have to preserve my life the several times it could have been taken from me, But he did anyway. He could have left me homeless, hopeless, broken, unloved, and forgotten. God could have abandoned me, but He didn't and hasn't, and I have reason to believe that He wont. Why? Because God IS good. <br /><br />God is good, but this fact if disputed among Atheists. The Atheist looks around the world today that is rampant with chaos, war, famine, destruction. They see the death, the decay of decency, the suffering and the pain that is so loudly on display. To see this suffering is to acknowledge the truth of the world as it is, but, to attribute that suffering to God is where the Atheist falls prey to an old mistake. They attribute the blame to God like Adam in the garden when he accused God for giving him a faulty wife. <br /><br />Why then did God allow evil to be possible? When God made man, He said:<br /><br /><br /><blockquote> ... “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule ... over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth.” </blockquote>Man was made in the image of God and God's likeness. That means that man was created Righteous and Virtuous, Moral. In order for man to be made like God he had to have the capability to reject that which God is not. If God is Righteous, and He is, What does it mean to be Righteous? <br /><br /><blockquote>acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin</blockquote><p><br />So in order for man to be Righteous as God is Righteous, Man must act in accordance with Divine Moral Law. God made this test remarkably easy. In all of the garden God gave 1 prohibitive command, don't eat from 1 tree. The only sin is violating this directive. At this point there is no death, no suffering, no cancer or abortion or famine or genocide. Just a couple, and a garden, animals and God. What does it mean to be Moral?<br /><br /></p><blockquote><p>a: of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ETHICAL<br />moral judgments</p><p>b: expressing or teaching a conception of right behavior<br />a moral poem</p><p>c: conforming to a standard of right behavior<br />took a moral position on the issue though it cost him the nomination<br /><br />d: sanctioned by or operative on one's conscience or ethical judgment<br />a moral obligation</p><p>e: capable of right and wrong action<br />a moral agent</p><p></p></blockquote><p>For man to be made perfect, he MUST have been able to be capable of rejecting God and choose not to. Without the choice or the free will then he would not be a moral being, he would not be a perfect man. He'd be a programmed group of nerves and neurons. <br /><br />Man did reject God and open the door to virus and corruption to the perfect system in which God created. When man failed to be moral, God decided that He would still be moral. He would still be faithful. He would still be good. Rather than destroy all life that chose to rebel against Him- which He absolutely would be justified in doing- He chose to instead bear patience and grace, and mercy, leading to redemption. (granted when the world was consumed with violence, He did pour out judgement- but He still saved a group of humans in His grace)<br /><br />Now, lets look at the cross for a moment, seeing as how we don't look at it enough- it still bears an extra picture here in the context of Morality. God, who doesn't ask us to do anything that HE Himself is willing to do. He clothed Himself in flesh and proved that He is Moral on our behalf and died IN ORDER TO FIX THE MISTAKES OF MAN. <br /><br />Jesus- Yeshua- The Messiah, the Christ- An innocent Man lived out an entirely moral life choosing to not sin to show God is Good, and to revoke sin that Adams failures opened the door to. <br />God is cleaning up after us, our messes, our sins. He clothes those He has told us to clothe, and feeds those He told us to feed. He shelters those He told us to shelter... because He is Moral. </p></div>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-596345962172426842021-06-04T19:57:00.002-07:002021-06-11T23:34:49.767-07:00Loss<p><br /><br /> Do you ever think about how lonely the Messiah was at the cross? <br />All of his friends turned and left. Why did they abandon His teaching and turn to the crowds. <br />Do you ever think about the Pharisees that accused Him?<br />The way they dammed and condemned Him- and what crime did He commit? He offended them <br />He offended them, and He was silent when they demanded answers from Him. <br /><br /></p><blockquote>The high priest stood up and said to Him, “Do You offer no answer for what these men are testifying against You?” 63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, “I place You under oath by the living God, to tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God.”-Matt 26 </blockquote><p><br /> I think about it every day. The loss. <br /><br /><br /> Love is patient, love is kind, it is not jealous; love does not brag, it is not arrogant. 5 It does not act disgracefully, it does not seek its own benefit;<u> it is not provoked</u>, <b>does not keep an account of a wrong suffered</b>, 6 it does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 it keeps every confidence, it believes all things, hopes all things, <u><b>endures all things</b></u>.<br /><br /><br />The world is full of people that will say that they love. people that say that they are family. <br /><br /><br />They'll abandon you if you have bad days... they'll abandon you when others crucifiy you </p><p></p>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-38180625282260914012021-05-01T21:17:00.001-07:002021-05-01T21:17:37.603-07:00Enoch doesn't quote Scripture<p>Some say that Enoch the Rabbinic text originally written in Hebrew usually dated to the fifth century CE- is quoted in the actual scripture. <br /><br />They say that Enoch 48:1<br /> In that place I beheld a fountain of righteousness, which never failed, encircled by many springs of wisdom. Of these all the thirsty drank, and were filled with wisdom, having their habitation with the righteous, the elect, and the holy.<br /><br />is quoted in <br /><br /></p><blockquote> John 4:14<br />14 but <span style="color: #800180;">whoever drinks</span> of the water that I will give him shall never be thirsty; <span style="color: #ffa400;">but the water that I will give him will become in him a</span><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> fountain of water springing up to eternal life</span>.”</blockquote><br /><br />but John 4:14 is citing any number of passages already in the scripture <br /><br /><br /><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>Is 12:3 Therefore you will joyously<span style="color: #ffa400;"> draw water </span><span style="color: #ffa400;">From the springs of salvation</span>.<br /><br /></li><li>Is 55:1 “You there!<span style="color: #800180;"> Everyone who thirsts, come to the waters</span>; And you who have no money come, buy and eat. Come, buy wine and milk Without money and without cost.</li></ul><p></p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>Is 58:11 And the Lord will continually guide you, And satisfy your desire in scorched places, And give strength to your bones; <span style="color: #ffa400;"> And you will be like a watered garden, And like a spring of water whose waters do not fail.</span></li></ul><p></p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>Jer 2:13 “For My people have committed two evils: <span style="color: #ffa400;">They have abandoned Me, The fountain of living waters</span>, To carve out for themselves cisterns, Broken cisterns That do not hold water.</li></ul><p></p><p></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>Psalms 36:8-9 They drink their fill of the abundance of Your house; And You allow them<span style="color: #2b00fe;"> to drink from the river of</span> Your delights. 9 F<span style="color: #2b00fe;">or the fountain of life is with You</span>; In Your light we see light.</li></ul><p></p><p><br /><br />Daniel 7:13 I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a son of man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.</p><p><br /><br /></p>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-1433020705503193662021-05-01T14:55:00.000-07:002021-05-01T16:28:12.765-07:00The P Words<p> If you've been in this Torah walk for any amount of time, you've been called a Pharisee. Coming out of traditions and doctrines that are contrary to the word of God usually gets you slapped with the label faster than my nephew can burp the alphabet. For keeping the Commands of God, and teaching others to do the same, you shouldn't be labeled as a Pharisee, its wrong. However, the subject has been on my mind recently, and just yesterday I was scrolling Facebook where there was a "Torah guy" chastising another guy over a kippa. Over a hat. According to the, we'll call him "Hyper Kodesh Guy", A Kippah is a sun disc and wearing one is as worshipping Babylonian sun worship. "HKG" who ive seen wear a cowboy hat, was literally saying that wearing the hat without a brim was on par with worshipping a false god. I'm not a fan of the Talmud or the rabbis, but even I had to step in an say "ITS A HAT, ITS JUST A HAT!!!". Could it be that maybe, THESE are the things that others look at and say "That guy is claiming that He has a true doctrine and he's losing it over a hat, that is not something that is normal, That guy AND WHAT HE BELIEVES, IS in fact being Pharisee" <br /><br />The subject of Phariseeism .. Pharisaism...Pharicsism .... the subject of being Pharisaic doesn't come up too often in the Torah communities because either we've bristled so much over being called that by not Torah people, or as is the occasion- Some have rehabbed the image of the Pharisees as to being the righteous ones who "Judaism" says that "we should be. "<br /><br />One of the things we need to remember as believers is that these were rebuked by the Messiah. The Pharisees were the ones constantly ripped by the Messiah for being the overly religious instead of the righteous examples. So what does it mean, what are some examples of being Pharisaic? Well Lets go over it by the numbers <br /><br /></p><blockquote>Matt 9 <br />Then it happened that as Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and began dining with Jesus and His disciples. 11 And when the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, “<u>Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?</u>” 12 But when Jesus heard this, He said, “It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick.</blockquote><br /><br />1. If you're criticizing someone for building relationships with secular people, then you're criticizing the example of the Messiah. <br /><br /><br /><blockquote>Matt 12<br />13 Then He *said to the man, “Stretch out your hand!” He stretched it out, and it was restored to normal, like the other. 14 <u>But the Pharisees went out and conspired against Him, as to how they might destroy Him.</u></blockquote><u></u><br /><br />2. If you're talking with your special group about how someone isn't doing things the way your special group thinks they should be done based on your traditions or whatever "Special Wisdom" you may have on a matter not defined in scripture, then you're probably being a Pharisee. <br /><br /><blockquote>Matt 12<br /> Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and unable to speak was brought to Jesus, and He healed him so that the man who was unable to speak talked and could see. 23 And all the crowds were amazed and were saying, “This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?” 2<u>4 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”</u></blockquote><u></u><br />3. If you look at something that is good and righteous and it is a blessing and a service to others, and you attribute it to be evil, Then odds are you need a heart check <br /><br /><blockquote>Matt 15<br /> Then the disciples came and *said to Him, <u>“Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement</u>?” 13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant will be uprooted. 14<u> Leave them alone; they are blind guides of blind people. And if a person who is blind guides another who is blind, both will fall into a pit.”</u></blockquote><u><br /></u>4. If you are often offended and find everything offensive and are constantly policing speech against what COULD be offensive, Then you likely could be as the Pharisees. Leading everyone around on each whim and wound until you get everyone burdened down with all your custom rules and regulations, its a burden. <br /><blockquote>Matt 21<br />45 <u>When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them. 46 And although they sought to arrest Him, they feared the crowds</u>, since they considered Him to be a prophet.</blockquote>5. If someone highlights that your made up rules you're trying to place on others aren't found in scripture, is your reaction to try and "kill the messenger" so to speak? To try and get rid of whomever shows that even if you have in your mind "inspiring holiness above the biblical standard" that adding rules to another's walk is wrong if they didn't invite or ask you too. <br /><br /><blockquote>Matt 23<br />Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses. 3 Therefore, whatever they tell you, do and comply with it all, but do not do as they do; for they say things and do not do them. 4<u> And they tie up heavy burdens and lay them on people’s shoulders</u>, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as their finger.</blockquote><br /><br />6. To continue off of that last point. Which is more important, looking holy to others or being Holy unto God? People are to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. People can ask questions in working out that salvation. Others insisting things are done their way on matters that scripture leaves to individual discretion is most often tying burdens on people and doing deeds to be noticed. Paul notes and warns this style of people in Acts 20: 30 where he says <br /><br /><blockquote> I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and <b>from among your own selves men will arise</b>, speaking perverse things to <b><u>draw away the disciples after them.</u></b></blockquote><br />If anyone knew what it meant to be a Pharisee, it was Paul. He cautioned against people making disciples unto themselves, with their own doctrines and customs. Messiah was constantly rebuking those that set aside the commands of God for their own traditions. Pushing your fence laws or traditions is as adding to the commands of God. <br /><br /><blockquote>Matt 24 continued 5 And<u> <b>they do all their deeds to be noticed by other people</b></u>; <u>for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments.</u> 6 And they love the place of honor at banquets, and the seats of honor in the synagogues, </blockquote>7. Modesty is important. God's word says that people are to be clothed and nakedness is an issue. Some people look at the Word of God and they see that people wore robes or tunics and they think that they should wear robes or tunics. <b>THIS IS PERFECTLY FINE</b>. That is, until it gets put into the context that someone is less righteous or spiritual for not wearing a specific garment. If you're going around asserting the opinion that jeans and t-shirt is some how less righteous guess what party you're emulating. <br /><br /><blockquote>Luke 18<br />9 <u>Now He also told this parable to some people <b>who trusted in themselves that they were righteous</b></u>, <b>and viewed others with contempt</b>: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and began praying this in regard to himself: ‘<b><u>God, I thank You that I am not like other people</u></b>: swindlers, crooked, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12<u> I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I ge</u>t.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to raise his eyes toward heaven, but was beating his chest, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, the sinner!’ </blockquote><br />Now one thing that I often notice about people that are dogmatically pushing their customs on others, is that they usually state is as being a "Greater standard of righteousness". What about that one person that is wearing jeans and t-shirt and maybe can't afford the suit or can't afford the extra long linin tunic so that they blend in with everyone else... Should they be hounded with opinions over what they are wearing not being sufficient? There are doctrines that people disagree over in the Torah. There are things that aren't even doctrines that people disagree over. I never imagined that I would encounter people that were so bothered about a dozen hypothetical "what if "scenarios regarding matchmaking, something as basic as telling two adults in conversation that they might be a good fit. <br /><br /><blockquote>Luke 7 <br /> Now one of the Pharisees was requesting Him to eat with him, and He entered the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table. 37 <u>And there was a woman in the city who was a sinner</u>; and when she learned that He was reclining at the table in the Pharisee’s house, she brought an alabaster vial of perfume, 38 and standing behind Him at His feet, weeping, she began to wet His feet with her tears, and she wiped them with the hair of her head, and began kissing His feet and anointing them with the perfume. 39<u> Now when the Pharisee who had invited Him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet He would know who and what sort of person this woman is who is touching Him, that she is a sinner!”</u></blockquote><u></u><br /><br /><br />8. Pharisees have a seeming terminal case of "plank eye"<br /><br /><br /><blockquote>Luke 7 (Continued)</blockquote><blockquote>And Jesus responded and said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” And he replied, “Say it, Teacher.” 41 “A moneylender had two debtors: the one owed five hundred denarii, and the other, fifty. 42 When they were unable to repay, he canceled the debts of both. So which of them will love him more?” 43 Simon answered and said, “I assume the one for whom he canceled the greater debt.” And He said to him, “You have judged correctly.” 44<u> And turning toward the woman, He said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave Me no water for My feet, but she has wet My feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You gave Me no kiss; but she has not stopped kissing My feet since the time I came in. 46 You did not anoint My head with oil, but she anointed My feet with perfume. 47 For this reason I say to you, her sins, which are many, have been forgiven, for she loved much; but the one who is forgiven little, loves little.” 48 And He said to her, “Your sins have been forgiven.”</u></blockquote><u></u>9. Do you have a sense of Spiritual pride? A pride that masquerades as Holiness. Pharisees did. <br /><br /><blockquote>Acts 6<br /> And<u> Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people</u>. 9 But some men from what was called the Synagogue of the Freedmen, including both Cyrenians and Alexandrians, and some from Cilicia and Asia,<u> rose up and argued with Stephen. 10 But they were unable to cope with his wisdom and the Spirit by whom he was speaking</u></blockquote><blockquote>Acts 7<br /> <u>Now when they heard this, they were infuriated, and they began gnashing their teeth at him</u>. 55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, looked intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; 56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” 57<u> But they shouted with loud voices, and covered their ears and rushed at him with one mind. 58 When they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him; and the witnesses laid aside their cloaks at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 They went on stoning Stephen</u> as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”</blockquote><p> <br />You don't want to be a Pharisee. You don't want to be one of these guys that has themselves so deluded that they think that they are always righteous. They think that being overbearing is being righteous. They think that they're owed answers and that you're in the wrong for questioning them. They have little patience for people that do not do whatever they see their holy right to be. Do not be these people that are so deserving of condemnation. These people that demand control and often act as if there is no spiritual growth outside of what they cultivate. Ones that seek to be revered as authority but aren't. <br /><br /></p><blockquote style="border: none; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; padding: 0px; text-align: left;"><p></p></blockquote><p></p><blockquote>Luke 12<br />“Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. 2 But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. 3 Accordingly, whatever you have said in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed on the housetops.<br /> </blockquote><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p></p><blockquote> 1 Corinthians 10:12 <br />Therefore let the one who thinks he stands watch out that he does not fall.</blockquote><p></p><p></p><p></p>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-23868192242622606522021-04-18T20:50:00.002-07:002021-04-19T15:48:19.676-07:00Sons of God are Humans. <p>...and a pretty awesome name of a Hebrew Biker gang. <br /><br />This post will spend a little bit on Genesis 6 and the context of the sons of God relation to the Daughters of Men and the Nephilim, but it is primarily a study on who the sons of God are. After reading the Genesis 6 account and seeing that I believe the term "Sons of God" a reference to humans of obedience, I went and I listed every occurrence that I could find the term in scripture. I have found that every instance as listed below can and likely should, refer to humans. Especially due to the law of first mention. This started in Genesis 6, where the previous chapter lists a specific class of the lineage of Adam and how God is marked as the foremost of the lineage of Adam. One way to say that would be that Adam, was a son of God. I see that the start of Genesis 5 parallels what we see in the lineage of Yeshua the Messiah<br /><br /></p><blockquote>This is the book of<u> the generations of Adam</u>. On the day when <u>God created man, He made him in the likeness of God</u>. 2 He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them “mankind” on the day when they were created. - Gen 5</blockquote><p> </p><blockquote> the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of<u> Adam, the son of God-</u> Luke 3:38</blockquote><br />The scripture that is controversial is the passage of Gen 6 which states as follows:<br /><br /><blockquote>That the <u>sons of God </u>saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.” 4 The Nephilim <b>were on the earth in those days</b>, and <b>also afterward</b>, <u>when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind</u>, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.- Gen 6</blockquote>There are some that render sons of God in the text to mean angels, instead of what I believe would be more accurately appropriate as a classification of righteous decedents that were beginning to stray from the righteous walk. I believe that we can see in Genesis 4 the fallen men starting with Cain, and his sons. Genesis 5 being a classification of sons that were walking upright. Genesis 6 shows that those walking upright began to marry those that were from the camp of fallen men on the basis of their beauty. We know that there was a sacrifice or offering in place from Genesis 4 where God warned Cain of his anger and that his face was Fallen <br /><br /><br /><p></p><p>So I'm looking at a thing in Genesis right, and I note that the primitive root for Nephilim: <br />From נָפַל (H5307) Variant spellings for this word: נפיל (Strongs and Gesenius) נפל (Strongs)</p><p>is </p><p>H5307 - nāp̄al naw-fal' נָפַל nâphal, naw-fal'; a primitive root; to fall, in a great variety of applications (intransitive or causative, literal or figurative):—be accepted, cast (down, self, (lots), out), cease, die, divide (by lot), (let) fail, (cause to, let, make, ready to) fall (away, down, -en, -ing), fell(-ing), fugitive, have (inheritance), inferior, be judged (by mistake for 6419), lay (along), (cause to) lie down, light (down), be ( hast) lost, lying, <u>overthrow, overwhelm, perish, present(-ed, -ing), (make to) rot, slay, smite out, surely, throw down.</u></p><p><br /></p><p>And this second one, is where God says <br />Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why is your face Naphal?</p><div><div></div><blockquote><div> Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and <u>I will be hidden from Your face</u>, and I will be a wanderer and a drifter on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.” 15 So the Lord said to him, “Therefore whoever kills Cain, vengeance will be taken on him seven times as much.” <u>And the Lord placed a mark on Cain, so that no one finding him would kill him</u>.</div><div>16 Then<b><u> Cain left the presence of the Lord</u></b>, and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.</div></blockquote><div></div></div><p><br />The connection of Nephilim and God pointing to Cains face as fallen may seem coincidental at first, unless we factor in that Cain and his sons were men of violence, and the Nephilim caused violence. <br />Cain had left the presence of the Lord. From Adam you have sons of God and Cain who left the presence of the Lord. If there is a tribe headed by the original murderer, who is renowned in history for being one that takes life, the text shows that his child(ren) follow suit it stands to reason that violence is a defining feature for that group. <br />When we see these sons of God( from righteous classification of men)- taking actual wives the daughters of men (pagan/ polygamist group) we can safely conclude that it resulted in violence, if it were a matter of angels entering into a covenant of marriage that would violate that Yeshua says it doesn't happen. We see Men, taking women, in a time where there were men of violence and murder, who were before and after the flood. If the flood was to eradicate a race of angel half breed human experiments, then why would Noah be allowed to preach for them to join on the Ark? <br /><br /></p><blockquote>For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, held for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but protected Noah,<u> a preacher of righteousness</u>, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly- 2 Peter 2 </blockquote>What we find in Gen 6 is that God is grieved with Man, and then God limits the life of Man, and then God destroys the world because of the violence of Men. There is nothing in the text to suggest that angels fit better. Furthermore if we look at that passage in 2 Peter chapter 2, it states that fallen angels were cast into hell, pits of darkness held for judgement, not cast to earth and allowed to willfully enter into covenant of marriage with women after developing the physical anatomy to be able to do so. <br />A camp of men who kill and take what they want fits context better to explain why Abraham journeyed to what would be his distant cousins and told his wife to pretend that she's his sister for fear that he'd be murdered and they take her. <br /><br />moving on. <br /><br /><blockquote> “<u>You are sons of the Lord your God</u>; you shall not cut yourselves nor shave a bald spot above your forehead for the dead. For you are a holy people to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for His personal possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.- Deut 14:1-2</blockquote><p><br />I think this is pretty clear that its not referencing Angels. Some might argue that this is not using a very specific "B'nei Elohim" but it is saying Ben Yehova Elohim which renders that argument even useless seeing as this is a greater context. </p><blockquote>Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.- Job 1:6 </blockquote><blockquote>Again, there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the Lord.- Job 2:1</blockquote><br />I have linked these two together because the same point stands for both of them. The word angel is not used here. There is no reason for us to insert it here. We see that that these sons of God came to present themselves before God, and Satan also came. We read in 2 Peter 2 that the fallen angels were held in a pit in darkness awaiting judgement so why would they be called sons of God any way? Cain in his rebellion did not retain such a title. There is no reason to believe that this passage is referring to angels. So what is it referring to? I say its referring to obedient faithful humans. <br /><blockquote>“Three times a year<u> all your males shall appear before the LORD</u> <u>your God </u>at the place which He chooses: at the Feast of Unleavened Bread, at the Feast of Weeks, and at the Feast of Booths; and they are not to appear before the LORD empty-handed. - Deut 16:16</blockquote><br />The call of righteous men coming at an appointed time and the specific significance of Satan coming at the appointed time to afflict someone does not make humans become Angels. <br /><br /><br /><blockquote>When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy?- Job 38:7</blockquote><br />This is one that gets leaned on fairly heavily by those that support that Gen 6 is talking about angels being the sons of God. They state that sons of God means angels , because stars could mean angels, and this has the stars and sons side by side. One of several problems with this is that angels isn't in the text, and that is making several leaps and assumptions in order to make a case that is logically inconsistent with the rest of the chapter and other passages. Lets break this down with two points. 1 this is from a chapter of imagery and great sarcasm on behalf of God to really drive His point home with Job and put Job in check. If we are to take this passage as literal then here are other passages that we have to do the same thing with from the same passage:<br /><br />We have to figure out when exactly it was that Job walked along the bottom of the ocean and was hanging out under the sea:<br /><div></div><blockquote><div>“Have you entered the springs of the sea,</div><div>And walked in the depth of the ocean?</div></blockquote><div></div>We have to determine that there is a literal actual storehouse where God keeps all His snow and ice <br /><blockquote><div>Have you entered the storehouses of the snow,</div><div>And have you seen the storehouses of the hail</div></blockquote><p> And this:</p><div></div><div></div><blockquote><div> “Where is the way to the dwelling of light?</div><div>And darkness, where is its place,</div><div>20 That you would take it to its territory,</div><div>And discern the paths to its home?</div><div>21<u> You know, for you were born then,</u></div><div><u>And the number of your days is great!</u></div></blockquote><div></div>If we are to take this passage as literal, then we must deduce that God is actually mad at Job not for being self righteous and taking issue with the sovereignty of God as the rest of the book shows, but instead craft a doctrine where God is mad at this immortal Job who has lived forever and just forgotten how creation actually unfolded. This is not how we should study these things. This is a common mistake. I mentioned that there were 2 points, one was showing from the same chapter the errors of saying that stars and sons of God singing means angels. Lets look at the entirety of Psalms 148 as it pertains to rendering Job 38: 7 <br /><br /><br /><br /><blockquote style="border: none; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; padding: 0px; text-align: left;"><div>Praise the Lord!</div><div>Praise the Lord from the heavens;</div><div>Praise Him in the heights!</div><div>2 Praise Him, <b><u>all His angels</u></b>;</div><div>Praise Him, all<u><b> His heavenly armies!</b></u></div><div>3 Praise Him, <b><u>sun and moon</u></b>;</div><div>Praise Him,<u><b> all stars of light!</b></u></div><div>4 Praise Him<u><b>, highest heavens</b></u>,</div><div>And the <u><b>waters that are above the heavens</b></u>!</div><div>5 They are to praise the name of the Lord,</div><div>For He commanded and they were created.</div><div>6 He has also established them forever and ever;</div><div>He has made a decree, and it will not pass away.</div><div><br /></div><div>7 Praise the Lord from the earth,</div><div><u><b>Sea monsters, and all the ocean depth</b></u>s;</div><div>8<u><b> Fire and hail, snow and clouds;</b></u></div><div><u><b>Stormy wind</b></u>, fulfilling His word;</div><div>9 <u><b>Mountains and all hills;</b></u></div><div><u><b>Fruit trees and all cedars</b></u>;</div><div>10 <u><b>Animals and all cattle;</b></u></div><div><u><b>Crawling things and winged fowl</b></u>;</div><div>11 <b><u>Kings of the earth and all peoples;</u></b></div><div><b><u>Rulers and all judges of the earth</u></b>;</div><div>12 Both <u><b>young men and virgins;</b></u></div><div><u><b>Old men and children</b></u>.</div><div><br /></div><div>13 They are to praise the name of the Lord,</div><div>For His name alone is exalted;</div><div>His majesty is above earth and heaven.</div><div>14 And He has lifted up a horn for His people,</div><div><u><b>Praise for all His godly ones,</b></u></div><div><u><b>For the sons of Israel, a people near to Him.</b></u></div><div>Praise the Lord!</div></blockquote><br />So to render Job 38:7 to mean angels even though it doesn't say angels- but other passages mention things that could be theorized as similar things, if we were to go forward that way we must deduce that:<br /><br /> Angels are :Sea monsters, ocean depths; Fire and hail, snow and clouds; Stormy wind, fulfilling His word; Mountains and all hills; Fruit trees and all cedars; armies; sun and moon; all stars of light; highest heavens, the waters that are above the heavens Animals and all cattle; Crawling things and winged fowl; Kings of the earth and all peoples; Rulers and all judges of the earth; Both young men and virgins; Old men and children.<br />....is there anything that angels aren't in this doctrine? Lets move on<br /><br /><br /><blockquote>“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.- Matthew 5:9</blockquote><br />Faithful righteous people who are seekers of peace and not seekers of war or perpetuators of conflict, will be called sons of God. <br /><br /><br /><blockquote> Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and the women are given in marriage, 35 <b><u>but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage</u></b>; 36 for they cannot even die anymore, for they are like angels, <u>and are sons of God, <b>being sons of the resurrection.</b></u> 37 But as for the fact that the dead are raised, even Moses revealed this in the passage about the burning bush, where he calls the Lord the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. - Luke 20</blockquote>1. The sons of this age- humans<br />2. Will be worthy to attain that age/ be Resurrected from the dead<br />3. Will not being given into marriage like the angels, contrast with gen 6 sons of God took wives from the daughters of men. <br />4. This is all in a response to marriage that we will be sons of God <br /><br /><br /><blockquote>For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, <u>these are sons and daughters of God</u>.- Romans 8:14</blockquote>Those being led by the Spirit of God will be sons and daughters (both) of God. Angels are spirit. Angels haven't a gender. <br /><br /><blockquote>For<u> the eagerly awaiting creation waits for the revealing</u> of <b><u>the sons and daughters of God</u></b>.- Romans 8:19</blockquote><br />The time of Salvation where God will say to His people well done good and faithful servant. <br /><p></p><p></p><blockquote> as He also says in Hosea: “I will <u>call those who were not <b>My people, ‘My people</b></u><b>,</b>’ <br />And her who was not beloved, ‘beloved.’”26 “And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘<b><u>you are not My people,’ There they shall be called sons of the living God.</u></b>”27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Though the number of the sons of Israel may be like the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved; - Romans 9:25-27</blockquote>Romans 9 is stating that the sons of God (and Daughters) are the Remnant. There has always been a remnant of God and that they are People, not angels <br /><br /><blockquote>For<b><u> you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus</u></b>.- Galatians 3:26</blockquote>Short, Simple Concise. <br /><br /><u><b></b></u><blockquote><u><b>Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!” </b></u>- Galatians 4:6</blockquote><br />The conclusion is clear. Nowhere does Sons of God say angels and in several places over and over again sons of God (and Daughters of God) are humans. <br /><br /><br /><br /><p></p>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-39753316670531569162021-04-05T21:12:00.001-07:002021-04-05T21:12:04.327-07:00Stars and sons singing<p><br /><br />Job 38</p><p>5Who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the measuring line over it?<br />6 On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone,<br />7 <u>When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy</u>?<br />8 “Or who enclosed the sea with doors When it went out from the womb, bursting forth;</p><p><br /><br /><br />Psalm 148 <br /> Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens; Praise Him in the heights!<br />2 Praise Him, all His angels; Praise Him, all His heavenly armies!<br />3<u> Praise Him, sun and moon; Praise Him, all stars of light! </u><br />4 Praise Him, highest heavens, And the waters that are above the heavens!<br />5 They are to praise the name of the Lord, For He commanded and they were created.<br />6 He has also established them forever and ever; He has made a decree, and it will not pass away.<br />7 Praise the Lord from the earth, Sea monsters, and all the ocean depths;<br />8 Fire and hail, snow and clouds; Stormy wind, fulfilling His word;<br />9 Mountains and all hills; Fruit trees and all cedars;<br />10 Animals and all cattle; Crawling things and winged fowl;<br />11 <u>Kings of the earth and all peoples; Rulers and all judges of the earth;<br />12 Both young men and virgins; Old men and children.<br /></u><u>13They are to praise the name of the Lord, </u><u>For His name alone is exalted;<br /></u><u>His majesty is above earth and heaven. <br /></u><u>14 And He has lifted up a horn for His people, </u><u>Praise for all His godly ones,</u></p><p><u>For the sons of Israel, a people near to Him.</u></p><p><u>Praise the Lord!</u></p><p><u><br /></u></p>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954830861166599877.post-5508561399555874172021-04-03T00:19:00.006-07:002021-04-05T20:13:40.419-07:00Nephilim and Gen 6 I know that I have done this topic before, but it came up again so I'm writing it again. <br /><br /> <br /><br /><blockquote>Gen 6<br />Now it came about, when mankind began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.</blockquote><br /><br /><br />This text spawns (heh) all kinds of theory. One things that people like to say is that the Nephilim are fallen angels that boned down some earth chicks and boom- giants. That is not how i see it and allow me to present why I don't see it that way. <br /><br />Ok, lets break this apart. <br /><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>1. Now it came about, when mankind began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them</li></ul><br />Mankind began to multiply daughters- this is important context. <br /><br /><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.</li></ul><br />The sons of God are supposed to be angels. as it were, I don't see how they took wives when Yeshua shows us that in Matthew 20:30 Angels don't get married. I don't think that is something that demons get to do either... especially since a demon would despise a holy covenant, the concept of monogamy , would likely be more into fornication- its just doesn't track for a lot of reasons. <br /><blockquote><br /></blockquote><p></p><blockquote> Matt 20:30 <br />For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.</blockquote><p><br /><br />I'm trying to follow where demons getting kicked out of heaven get to be called sons of God where the scriptures say the contrary Hebrews 1<br /><br /></p><p></p><blockquote>5 <u>For to which of the angels did He ever say</u>,<br />“<u>You are My Son</u>, Today I have fathered You”? <br />And again,<br />“<u>I will be a Father to Him</u> And He will be a Son to Me”?</blockquote><p></p><p>That answer, is none. There is no like, Angel named like, Craig or something up there that God calls a son... because if there were, this passage in Hebrews would be about Craig the adopted Angel of God, instead of being about Yeshua and the work He has done. <br />So, to start with the supposition that Sons of God meant Angels, it to read into the text.<br />I know, some people will be like BUT JAY WHAT ABOUT THE TIMES WHERE- and I will answer that now. <br /><br /><br /></p><blockquote><p> Job 1:6<br />Now there was a day when the<u> sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD</u>, and Satan also came among them.</p><p></p></blockquote><p>You might think "Ha there, see, that says that angels presented themselves before the LORD" and then I would have to point out that doesn't say that angels presented themselves before the LORD, it says that the sons of God presented themselves- this verse in Job does NOT tell us who these sons are. I don't believe that they're Craig the adopted Angel of God. I'll tell you who I do think they are in a minute but I want to at least break down the passage in full. <br /><br /></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.”</li></ul>So, God gets upset at Men and limits the age of Men. <br /><br /><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.</li></ul>There you have it, these Nephilim were on the earth when the sons of God came into the daughters of mankind. It doesn't say that the Nephilim were the sons of God, it says that they were on the earth at the time that the sons of God went for the hot chicks of the daughters of men. Mighty men who were of old- as in early men- men of renown, as in- known reputation. <br /><br />So lets run together what it isn't before I get to what I believe it is<br /><br /><br /><b>Gen 6 does<u> NOT </u>say </b><br /><br /><br />Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that <strike> the sons of God </strike>"the giant outcast fallen angels which would be demons that managed to retain the title of sons of God after rebelling against the Most High and being kicked out of heaven"- saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they "decided to invent marriage and monogamy and grow genitals and developed seeds and genetic code". 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years - "And I'm punishing man because angels are trying to bone down those daughters.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, <strike>when the sons</strike> "and those Angels were the sons of God" came in to the <strike>daughters of mankind</strike> "humans", and <strike>they bore children to them </strike> "A race of half man- half demon demi-god super powered mutant people". Those were the <strike>mighty men</strike> "demi-god giants super mutants" who were of old,<strike> men</strike> "demi-god giants super mutants" of renown.<br /><br /><br /><br /><p></p><p>None of that makes any sense, Its sensational for sure, but its not theologically consistent So, what would be? Lets go back to that Job verse, what ARE the sons of God? <br /><br /></p><blockquote> Job 1:6 Now there was a day when <u>the sons of God came to present themselves</u> before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.</blockquote><p></p><p><br /><br />We established from Hebrews and from the Messiah in Matthew that its not speaking of Craig the adopted Angel of God or Angels, so what DOES this mean that sons of God came to present themselves. <br /><br /></p><p></p><blockquote>Deuteronomy 16:16<br />“<u>Three times a year all <b>your males</b></u><b> shall appear before the LORD your God</b> at the place which He chooses: at the Feast of Unleavened Bread, at the Feast of Weeks, and at the Feast of Booths; and they are not to appear before the LORD empty-handed.</blockquote><br /><p></p><p>This puts that Job verse in context of men having to appear before God, it doesn't say anything about Angels. We have no verses calling Angels sons of God- but we do have verse calling MEN God's sons<br /><br /></p><p></p><blockquote>Romans 8:14 <br />For<u> all who are being led by the Spirit of God, <b>these are sons and daughters of God</b></u>.</blockquote><p><br />How can a demon/ fallen angel of God that was kicked out heaven be listed as "following the Spirit of God"</p><p></p><p></p><blockquote><p>Luke 6:35<br />But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, <u>expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great,<b> and you will be sons of the Most High</b></u>; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.</p><p>John 1:12-13<br />B<u>ut as many as received Him,</u> <b><u>to them He gave the right to become children of God</u></b>, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.</p><p>John 11:52<br />and not for the nation only, but in order that He might also gather together into one <u>the children of God</u> who are scattered abroad.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>The righteous are the ones that are followers of God- they are called sons. <br /><br /></p><blockquote> Gen 4 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is too great to endure! 14 Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground;<b><u> and I will be hidden from Your face,</u></b> and I will be a wanderer and a drifter on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.</blockquote><br />Cain, after being one who fell his brother, an attacker had a bunch of daughters. Note that Cain can't be called a son of God anymore, He's murdered his bro. And Cain's sons aren't called sons of God because they're murderers too <br /><p></p><p></p><blockquote>Gen 4<br /> Lamech said to his wives,<br />“<u>Adah and Zillah,</u><br />Listen to my voice,<br />You wives of Lamech,<br /><u>Pay attention to my words,<br />For I have killed a man for wounding me</u>;<br /><b><u>And a boy for striking me!</u></b></blockquote><b><u></u></b><p></p><p><br /><br />So in the chapters you see two differing groups of people. Cains group - who are not sons of God - not obediant- murderers who HAVE A BUNCH OF DAUGHTERS.<br />- A NEPHLEM :<br />נְפִיל nᵉphîyl, nef-eel'; or נְפִל nᵉphil; from H5307;<u><b> properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:</b></u>—giant.</p><p>Not a fallen Angel, but a Bully or Tyrant <br /><br /></p><p>If you look at Gen 5 it starts out from God- with no mention of Cain in the genealogy<br /></p><blockquote>1¶This is the book of<u> the generations of Adam</u>. On the day <u><b>when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.</b></u></blockquote><p></p><p>Contrary to 4 being about Cain being hidden from God's face</p><p></p><blockquote>Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; <u><b>and I will be hidden from Your face</b>,</u> and I will be a wanderer and a drifter on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”</blockquote><p></p><p>Righteous lineage- sons of God from Adam<br />Unrighteous lineage- many daughters and worldliness and murder and not righteous- hidden from Gods face</p><p><br />Now, lets read it again in context </p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>Now it came about, when mankind began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,</li></ul><p></p><p style="text-align: left;">Mankind is multiplying and daughters are born from the men <br /></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li> 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.</li></ul>The genealogy of the righteous lineage that is obedient, saw that the worldly and sinful decedents of mankind were attractive- some of those guys even taking two wives, multiple wives have been an issue for many Israelites- look at Solomon and David <br /><br /><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.”</li></ul><br />God gets upset about these righteous men being corrupted away by the worldly women which has been an issue with Israel - quite literally since the beginning of time here<br /><br /><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty <u>men who were of old, men of renown.</u></li></ul>The Nephilim were also on the earth in those days and after those days - Nephilim being a feller/bully/tyrant- AS IN ONE WHO CUTS DOWN HIS BRETHERINE IN HIS LIFE. The reference to Orion is that it is the constellation of the HUNTER- As in, HUNTER OF MEN like Cain and like Lamech, FELLERS/REBELS/APOSTATES - branching away from the ways of righteous<br /><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEizp8HrmaXlQDqcpvp1XEkTXXO3umndU0QMURZVs9adlk0Mn3-6aYl3jVKODGeoxhKu82iFdIKBItZ2pnRAjAlYAtFY7iMTtt32Vr6czUgZejnGurR_LLqSK23qxQzfuwlL3urrndzUniY/s450/lexImage.gif" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="353" data-original-width="450" height="314" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEizp8HrmaXlQDqcpvp1XEkTXXO3umndU0QMURZVs9adlk0Mn3-6aYl3jVKODGeoxhKu82iFdIKBItZ2pnRAjAlYAtFY7iMTtt32Vr6czUgZejnGurR_LLqSK23qxQzfuwlL3urrndzUniY/w400-h314/lexImage.gif" width="400" /></a><br /><br /><br /></div><div>This is explained in Gen 6:5 </div><div><blockquote> <u>Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of <b>mankind</b> </u>was great on the earth, and<b><u> that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually</u></b>.</blockquote><br />God wasn't grieved that fallen demons created a half race of celestial people... God was grieved that even the righteous hearts could be corrupted to wickedness. All the people were choosing wicked living except Noah. </div><div><br /></div><div> But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.</div><div><br /></div><div>Not because he was the only one without a demonic genetic code or some sort of demon man hybrid, but something less sensational and far less scandalous... he loved God and God loved him back. </div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Look at the issue at hand with these Nephilim </div><div>11 <u><b>Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence.</b></u> 12 And God looked on the earth, <u>and behold, it was corrup</u>t; <b><u>for humanity had corrupted its way upon the earth</u></b>.</div><div><br />HUMANITY HAD CORRUPTED ITS WAY, NOT DEMONS, NOT FALLEN ANGELS FROM A TEXT TAHT DOESN'T EVEN MENTION ANGELS<br /><br /></div><div>Mankind was choosing sin instead of God- it was choosing the way of the tyrant, the bully, the murderer.. It was full of murderers. </div><div> Then God said to Noah, “<u><b>The end of humanity</b></u> has come before Me; for<u><b> the earth is filled with violence because of people</b></u>; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.<br /><br />HE says nothing about a race of hybrid demon people. Do we believe that these Half angels survived the flood? Does that make any sense that God saw a race of demon people so He flooded the earth in order to allow MORE demon people hybrids to be made right away? <br /><br />Or... is it more to the point that there was a culture of dominance and killing the weaker and smaller, felling those that displeased you. Being a bully, A tyrant., and when the earth began to repopulate this sort of tribal savagry took place again. </div>The Giant Slayerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04857009520515888552noreply@blogger.com0