Saturday, April 3, 2021

Nephilim and Gen 6

I know that I have done this topic before, but it came up again so I'm writing it again.



Gen 6
Now it came about, when mankind began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.



This text spawns (heh) all kinds of theory. One things that people like to say is that the Nephilim are fallen angels that boned down some earth chicks and boom- giants. That is not how i see it and allow me to present why I don't see it that way. 

Ok, lets break this apart. 
  • 1. Now it came about, when mankind began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them

Mankind began to multiply daughters- this is important context. 

  • 2  that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.

The sons of God are supposed to be angels. as it were, I don't see how they took wives when Yeshua shows us that in Matthew 20:30 Angels don't get married. I don't think that is something that demons get to do either... especially since a demon would despise a holy covenant, the concept of monogamy , would likely be more into fornication- its just doesn't track for a lot of reasons. 

 Matt 20:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.



I'm trying to follow where demons getting kicked out of heaven get to be called sons of God where the scriptures say the contrary Hebrews 1

5 For to which of the angels did He ever say,
You are My Son, Today I have fathered You”?
And again,
I will be a Father to Him And He will be a Son to Me”?

That answer, is none.  There is no like, Angel named like, Craig or something up there that God calls a son... because if there were, this passage in Hebrews would be about Craig the adopted Angel of God, instead of being about Yeshua and the work He has done. 
So, to start with the supposition that Sons of God meant Angels, it to read into the text.
I know, some people will be like BUT JAY WHAT ABOUT THE TIMES WHERE- and I will answer that now. 


 Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.

You might think "Ha there, see, that says that angels presented themselves before the LORD" and then I would have to point out that doesn't say that angels presented themselves before the LORD, it says that the sons of God presented themselves- this verse in Job does NOT tell us who these sons are. I don't believe that they're Craig the adopted Angel of God.  I'll tell you who I do think they are in a minute but I want to at least break down the passage in full. 

  • 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.”
So, God gets upset at Men and limits the age of Men. 

  • 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
There you have it, these Nephilim were on the earth when the sons of God came into the daughters of mankind.  It doesn't say that the Nephilim were the sons of God, it says that they were on the earth at the time that the sons of God went for the hot chicks of the daughters of men.  Mighty men who were of old- as in early men- men of renown, as in- known reputation. 

So lets run together what it isn't before I get to what I believe it is


Gen 6 does NOT say 


Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that  the sons of God "the giant outcast fallen angels which would be demons that managed to retain the title of sons of God after rebelling against the Most High and being kicked out of heaven"- saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they "decided to invent marriage and monogamy and grow genitals and developed seeds and genetic code". 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years - "And I'm punishing man because angels are trying to bone down those daughters.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons  "and those Angels were the sons of God" came in to the daughters of mankind "humans", and they bore children to them  "A race of half man- half demon demi-god super powered mutant people". Those were the mighty men "demi-god giants super mutants" who were of old, men  "demi-god giants super mutants" of renown.



None of that makes any sense, Its sensational for sure, but its not theologically consistent So, what would be? Lets go back to that Job verse, what ARE the sons of God? 

 Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.



We established from Hebrews and from the Messiah in Matthew that its not speaking of Craig the adopted Angel of God or Angels, so what DOES this mean that sons of God came to present themselves. 

Deuteronomy 16:16
Three times a year all your males shall appear before the LORD your God at the place which He chooses: at the Feast of Unleavened Bread, at the Feast of Weeks, and at the Feast of Booths; and they are not to appear before the LORD empty-handed.

This puts that Job verse in context of men having to appear before God, it doesn't say anything about Angels. We have no verses calling Angels sons of God- but we do have verse calling MEN God's sons

Romans 8:14
For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons and daughters of God.


How can a demon/ fallen angel of God that was kicked out heaven be listed as "following the Spirit of God"

Luke 6:35
But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.

John 1:12-13
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 11:52
and not for the nation only, but in order that He might also gather together into one the children of God who are scattered abroad.

The righteous are the ones that are followers of God- they are called sons. 

 Gen 4 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is too great to endure! 14 Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and I will be hidden from Your face, and I will be a wanderer and a drifter on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.

Cain, after being one who fell his brother, an attacker had a bunch of daughters.  Note that Cain can't be called a son of God anymore, He's murdered his bro. And Cain's sons aren't called sons of God because they're murderers too 

Gen 4
 Lamech said to his wives,
Adah and Zillah,
Listen to my voice,
You wives of Lamech,
Pay attention to my words,
For I have killed a man for wounding me
;
And a boy for striking me!



So in the chapters you see two differing groups of people. Cains group - who are not sons of God - not obediant- murderers who HAVE A BUNCH OF DAUGHTERS.
- A NEPHLEM :
נְפִיל nᵉphîyl, nef-eel'; or נְפִל nᵉphil; from H5307; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:—giant.

Not a fallen Angel, but a Bully or Tyrant 

If you look at Gen 5 it starts out from God- with no mention of Cain in the genealogy

1¶This is the book of the generations of Adam. On the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.

Contrary to 4 being about Cain being hidden from God's face

Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and I will be hidden from Your face, and I will be a wanderer and a drifter on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

Righteous lineage- sons of God from Adam
Unrighteous lineage- many daughters and worldliness and murder and not righteous- hidden from Gods face


Now, lets read it again in context 

  • Now it came about, when mankind began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,

Mankind is multiplying and daughters are born from the men 

  •  2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
The genealogy of the righteous lineage that is obedient, saw that the worldly and sinful decedents of  mankind were attractive- some of those guys even taking two wives, multiple wives have been an issue for many Israelites- look at Solomon and David 

  • 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.”

God gets upset about these righteous men being corrupted away by the worldly women which has been an issue with Israel - quite literally since the beginning of time here

  • 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
The Nephilim were also on the earth in those days and after those days - Nephilim being a feller/bully/tyrant- AS IN ONE WHO CUTS DOWN HIS BRETHERINE IN HIS LIFE. The reference to Orion is that it is the constellation of the HUNTER- As in, HUNTER OF MEN like Cain and like Lamech, FELLERS/REBELS/APOSTATES - branching away from the ways of righteous




This is explained in Gen 6:5 
  Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually.

God wasn't grieved that fallen demons created a half race of celestial people... God was grieved that even the righteous hearts could be corrupted to wickedness. All the people were choosing wicked living except Noah. 

 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

Not because he was the only one without a demonic genetic code or some sort of demon man hybrid, but something less sensational and far less scandalous... he loved God and God loved him back. 


Look at the issue at hand with these Nephilim 
11 Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 And God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for humanity had corrupted its way upon the earth.

HUMANITY HAD CORRUPTED ITS WAY, NOT DEMONS, NOT FALLEN ANGELS FROM A TEXT TAHT DOESN'T EVEN MENTION ANGELS

Mankind was choosing sin instead of God- it was choosing the way of the tyrant, the bully, the murderer.. It was full of murderers. 
 Then God said to Noah, “The end of humanity has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of people; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.

HE says nothing about a race of hybrid demon people. Do we believe that these Half angels survived the flood? Does that make any sense that God saw a race of demon people so He flooded the earth in order to allow MORE demon people hybrids to be made right away? 

Or... is it more to the point that there was a culture of dominance and killing the weaker and smaller, felling those that displeased you. Being a bully, A tyrant., and when the earth began to repopulate this sort of tribal savagry took place again. 

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