Righteous Dude

The adversary is clever. He takes something true and twists it. When ever I am discussing the applicability of the Law of God with other believers, one thing that almost always comes up is the idea of "My works being my righteousness" and "seeking to establish my own righteousness".  One of the verses that might even get thrown my way when I am talking about being obedient to the Law of God is this one:

For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God..- Romans 10

That right there is the adversarial twist... that somehow by doing exactly what the Messiah said and told us to do, is establishing our own Righteousness. What this does is dismisses the fact that God Himself is the one that sets the standard of what IS righteous. When we read in Deuteronomy 6:

So the Lord commanded us to observe all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God for our good always and for our survival, as it is today. 25 It will be righteousness for us if we are careful to observe all this commandment before the Lord our God, just as He commanded us.

According to this verse, When we are obedient to HIS commands, we are walking in HIS Righteousness, as it is also written that the submitting to the commands of God is hostility to the flesh:

For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.- Romans 8

If by faith in Christ, you are doing the deeds of Christ, you're walking in HIS righteousness, as a response to your salvation.  IF you are following the Law for any other reason, you're seeking to establish your own righteousness and you've lost the plot. Look at this:

What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. - James 2 

What this is saying over and over again is that your faith should result in doing the commands of God, which by your faith shall be credited to you as righteousness. If you're of the mindset that "God saved me, now I just get to sit here and do nothing" I'd point you to the parable of the  talents.

Semantic Agent Man

Lets talk a moment about both agency and semantics. A lot of people get hung up on semantics in their reasoning and they incorporate these things into faulty doctrines. This is one reason that we have flat earth. One of the things that I hear from people that don't understand is on the topic of the returning to the land and the restoration of the House of Israel. there are some that see the working of God being done and attribute it rightly to Him. Others see that God uses men to achieve His purpose. Look at these too verses:

So the Lord was very angry with Israel and removed them from his presence. Only the tribe of Judah was left - 2 kings 17

And the king of Assyria did carry away Israel unto Assyria and put them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes: because they obeyed not the voice of the LORD their God, but transgressed his covenant, and all that Moses the servant of the LORD commanded and would not hear them, nor do them.- 2 kings 18

In a semantic argument one would say that these two verses are in contradiction as one says that God removed them, and the other says that the King of Assyria removed them. Unless you account that God used the King of Assyria to take Israel into captivity.


Lets look at this passage about God bringing forth Israel:

“Before she travailed, she brought forth;
Before her pain came, she gave birth to a boy.
8 “Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things?
Can a land be born in one day?
Can a nation be brought forth all at once?
As soon as Zion travailed, she also brought forth her sons.
9 “Shall I bring to the point of birth and not give delivery?” says the Lord.
“Or shall I who gives delivery shut the womb?” says your God

This is speaking about God bringing forward Jerusalem which is a miracle in of itself, he did it. However, he did it using agency. God used Great Brittan and The United States as instruments to his work. The credit goes squarely to God, but he used people to make things happen.

Lets look at another example:

 ^"Now when Pharaoh had let the people go, God did not lead them by the way of the land of the Philistines, even though it was near; for God said, “The people might change their minds when they see war, and return to Egypt.” - Exo 13

God let Israel go or did Pharaoh? God did. We see this in Exo 9
And the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he did not listen to them, just as the Lord had spoken to Moses. Semantics and bad logic would look at the verse in chapter 13 as being contrary to Exo 9, but we see God works through people to achieve His will.

There are some that look at the retaking of the land and greater exodus as something that God does, and don't get me wrong it is an act of God, but the dismiss the peoples part in it and I think that is foolishness.


In History, the 12 tribes went into captivity because of their sins, but God said only Judah would remain because of God being God and good with His promises.  We read in 1 Kings about the sins of Jereboam and all that. When we read Revelation and Ezekiel we see a restoration of the Tribes of Israel. not just one tribe "Jews" or "Judah" but the restoration of the Tribes.


Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold, they say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope has perished. We are completely cut off.’ 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel. 13 Then you will know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves and caused you to come up out of your graves, My people. 14 I will put My Spirit within you and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the Lord, have spoken and done it,” declares the Lord.’”
“And you, son of man, take for yourself one stick and write on it, ‘For Judah and for the sons of Israel, his companions’; then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and all the house of Israel, his companions.’ 17 Then join them for yourself one to another into one stick, that they may become one in your hand. 18 When the sons of your people speak to you saying, ‘Will you not declare to us what you mean by these?’ 19 say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will put them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.”’ 20 The sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes. 21 Say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king will be king for all of them; and they will no longer be two nations and no longer be divided into two kingdoms. 23 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols, or with their detestable things, or with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. And they will be My people, and I will be their God.- Ezekiel 37

So, what we see and have seen through history is God doing Amazing and Mighty things, to whom gets all the credit to Himself, but he uses people to get things done. Agency.  It is not unreasonable to believe that men have obedience in returning to the land in the same way in which they were lead out of Egypt. It may not mean that Yeshua physically returns and ushers us in, but then again He might.

Weak

This post may be more opinion than sound Biblical positioning, but I feel like they have a fair amount of overlap.

The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne -Rev 3

The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels.

-Rev 3

Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you. - Luke 10

That is some pretty tough imagery here.  Conquerors , serpent and scorpion treaders... those who have power over the enemy. So... why do we have such weak and fearful people in the church lately? Why are men so effeminate and muted lately? Why is it that disagreements are taken as violence? Why is it that a contrary word leaves people rushing to their safety zones where they sit in a circle and talk about their feelings hoping for "safety"?  How are people going to hold to the faith, gun to their head, martyr style when they can't even hear someone tell them that something that they think in the scriptures is incorrect?

"But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God."- Matt 22

...And the Sadducees said "Wow, you're really rude and not being godly in how you say that. I really feel like you should have said that a different non-offensive way." as they retreated to their safe spaces free from truth and challenging viewpoints or correction....right? WRONG!!!

What really happened?

 

When the crowds heard this, they were astonished at His teaching.
But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together

They shut up.  They didn't melt down.... they were astonished. What if we stopped being such babies about hearing things that we didn't agree with, that we were teachable about things that matter. What is up with the weinery faith? Where did the men go?

“Now gird up your loins like a man,
And I will ask you, and you instruct Me!- Job 38:3

GOD LITERALLY TOLD JOB TO SACK UP!!! Why are men so muted? Why are we silent on things of great important and making such a big fuss over things that don't?  I know this months post is light on substance but its all I've had on my heart and mind for days. I'm tired of being trimmed to fit into a perception of what our culture that murders babies, hyper sexualizes everything, tries to tell me what a man should be. I'm not buying your damn razors. Rape culture is a myth because, NOBODY SUPPORTS RAPE (except for like, rapists.. I imagine they're pro-rape)

I'm tired of squishiness of people, of character not being character. Where has honor gone? Where has resilience fled? Who stole endurance? Why has cowardice overtaken us?
why are we so tolerant of false prophets selling dream interpretations? Why are we stomaching people who propose to a still married woman?  Why do we just plaster on a happy face as we all walk further and further away from what is right in the name of friendship and puppies and rainbows?

No! Where are the line in the sand, First to stand for the Lord types?

I'm flawed, very flawed, but I aspire to be clear about sin. I aspire to be a man. I aspire to be a righteous man of God. I don't see anywhere in scripture where it went well with a people turning a blind eye to sin just because they like the friend who commits it

The Hebrew Heart

I don't remember why exactly, but I think it was dealing with the thought of another year as a single messianic person that prompted me to look for and join and Messianic singles group on facebook. It's hard being a single person of faith, looking for compatibility in someone that says that they believe the same things that you do, but how much of that do they actually walk out? I mean, for me in the Christian church I have a hard enough time just making friends with other believers when I tell them why I believe what I believe from the SAME BOOK WE BOTH HOLD TO. I joined a facebook group looking mostly for other people that know the struggle of being Messianic and scattered around and the problems that we face. What I found for a while there were friends.

I thought that I had a good repertoire with other members, so far that I and a few other people were very active. We would laugh and play off of each others jokes and there are some relationships that I hold now as being like family to me. I helped several people find people that they married from that group. I respected one of the admins that would instigate challenges to people that were weirdos in order to "weed 'em out" as we called it. She's challenge them knowing that they'd react in a certain way, get huffed up and leave. I should in hindsight have seen that coming. It wasn't until I was in the group for some time that I learned that the founding member was a self professed dream interpreter running a "ministry" where he was asking people for money to tell them "what God was saying" in their dreams. I sat on that a little while because I didn't know if he was telling the truth or not. He wasn't. After a few of his "interpretations"  I told him outright that what he was telling me on my dreams weren't correct. I was just one witness though, what could I do with that. I was at a point where I was coming out of a structure where I had experienced severe narcissism and spiritual abuse from my former church environment and  I was working on healing up from that. I turned to a lot of these people for strength and support, after all they called themselves a ministry at the time.

I'm writing this out for a reason, I'm holding hurt and bitterness in my heart against them. I see them as scam artists and I see people that defend their behavior. Don't get me wrong, I don't deny that when someone posted something in one of the groups that was unbiblical, I'd come barking at it like a junkyard dog... people did not like the site of that, made them really uncomfortable. I don't deny that I have my own set of shortcomings. One thing I always try to do in contrast however, is I try to always take responsibility for my stuff. Some of these folks were well intentioned but mislead, but others seemed more predatory in the sense that they wanted to figure out a way to get money out of the people. You wouldn't stay in a church where a pastor got up and started telling you the message that he got from consulting a medium. You'd rebuke him and leave. Yet here was this group with a false prophet for a founder and woman that would tell me that my unbelieving sister that rejected the Messiah and ignored torah and that was hostile to God her whole life... was saved because she was just deceived by some spirits. I've got mixed emotions here because they were my friends in a hard time, but they were trying to feed me stuff that was staunchly unbiblical. I rejected it.


The group eventually made me an admin knowing that I'm a fighter and a warrior and everything that I have always been. In fact, when there was a dispute between this group and one of their old mens group cohorts, They advised me to make my own mens group and that group would take the place of the other one. They know I'm a Benjamite warrior, because they endorsed it when it was advantageous to their cause. They made me an admin and the group rules expressly stated that if ANYONE has and ISSUE WITH SOMEONE ELSE they were to FIRST go to THAT PERSON. They claimed that a bunch of people left the group, and that they went to them and found that they all said they left the group because of me. NONE of those people had come to me in accordance with group rules. Yet, here was was in a time where I was emotional and dealing with family stuff, getting kicked out of this group that had felt like a family to me , who went looking for people that would not confront me to my face and they listened to their gossips. Thats what it is when someone is too much of a coward to say something to your face. Its cowardice. The only thing that I hate more than cowardice is lies. They lied too. They decided that since I had disagreed with the main "leadership" woman about radically feminizing the group and barring certain people from 18-21 from the group then I was too warrior like and I had to be removed as admin. In the huff false prophet guy suggested that I make my own group, not realizing that I probably would, even though it took a little convincing from a friend of mine. Thats when they started saying that they kicked me out of the group for rebellion and telling people that I was creating division. I hadn't at that point, but as my bitterness grew for people that I had cared so much about that stabbed me in the heart in a really low point in my life... I started messing with them. I'm not going to lie, as the new group increased in numbers we did some pranks like posting the link to the new group in their old group, and that was funny... but it wasn't right. I take responsability for that. It wasn't like I hated them either, because when coward lady from the old group was allegedly living with a guy she was about to rush into marriage with and then called it off like, the day before the wedding... I reached out to her. not in some smarmy way, not in some ha ha at your misfortion way, not to kick her while she was down but to throw what little spark of light and hope I could in her dark time. Thats where we differed. In my dark time she kicked me, in her dark time I tried to offer some hope. She went after me in secret, and every time I went after her it was public. When her mom died I reach out to her again to offer my sympathies. I cared about that cowardly lady. I wish she wasn't a coward. The entire time she was hurting me I kept thinking that I know she's stronger than the cowardly stuff she was doing that was hurting me. I don't know. Maybe I'm like one of those people that'll get stabbed and think that the person isn't really going to stab me while they keep stabbing me... what are they called? Idiots?

I need to forgive them for the betrayal. It came up recently that one of the people I know is such great friends with them and ignores all of that stuff about them. IT made me extra suspicious. especially when things in that persons story weren't' adding up. Telling me things that I know aren't the case. Saying that she really likes things that are dark and twisty and then cowering when direct questions are asked about why her story is contradictory? I shouldn't have junkyarded, but it smelled like them. It smelled like their finger prints, and it smelled like my blood. I didn't even mention the little neckbeared hitjob they sent after me once the group split. Little Irish false prophet guy who's dad is on the run who kept prophesying that his dad was going to turn himself in by the end of the weekend, who's dad did not turn himself in by the end of the weekend... spoke presumptuously in the name of God.  I didn't menitoned the other guy that I haven't done anything to who still wont tell me why he has a problem with me, because he cant...because if he does it will prove that h'es been listen' to the back room trash talk from neckbeard.  They're all those "everything is a demon" types. Like the Messianic benny hinns without the style. Maybe that was harsh I don't know.

I've got to find a balance though. There are too many wolves in sheeps clothing looking to devour people. I know its ironic me saying that because Benjamin is a ravenous wolf. I devour those that I go to war against. I don't want to war against my brothers and sisters, IF that is what these people are... though I am inclined to think not on mot of them.  I know I'm flawed deep. I can be an asshole in how I do the right things the wrong ways. I look like the bad guy protecting people from dangers they don't even see. Smooth words and casual tongues don't look all that threatening but aren't they how the devils work is done?  I know what it feels like to be manipulated. I've learned how to avoid a lot of it over the years. not all are so trained.  Hebrew hearts are full of wickedness, who can understand them?  I know I'm not the good guy but I'm not so sure I'm the bad one either.

Flat tops- Dissecting Flat Earth Meme (Row C)

 

Row B in case you missed it 


SUN MOVES NOT THE EARTH: ( Here we go..)
Genesis 15:12, 15:17,19:23, 32:31, Exodus 17:12, 22:3, 22:26, Leviticus 22:7, Numbers 2:3, 21:11, 34:15, Deuteronomy 4:41, 4:47, 11:30, 16:6, 23:11, 24:13, 24:15,  Joshua 1:15, 8:29, 10:27, 12:1, 13:5, 19:12, 19:27, 19:34, Judges 8:13, 9:33, 14:18, 19:14,20:43, 2 Samuel 3:35, 23:4, 1 Kings 22:36, 2 Chronicles 18:34, Psalm 50:1, 113:3, Ecclesiastes 1:5, Isaiah 41:25, 45:6, 59:19, Jeremiah 15:9 , Daniel 6:14, Amos 8:9, Jonah 4:8, Michael 3:6, Nahum 3:17, Malachi 1:11, Matthew 5:45, Mark 16:2, Ephesians 4:26,James 1:11

Genesis 15:12, "Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, terror and great darkness fell upon him. "

Do you guys know that your flat earth model has a sun going in a circle hovering with the moon and that this verse does NOT help your case because it contradicts your model? This says that the sun went down.... not hovered in a circle over a flat earth 

15:17,"It came about when the sun had set, that it was very dark, and behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a flaming torch which passed between these pieces.
"Where does the sun "set" in the model of it hovering in circles over a flat earth? I mean look at this

According to you guys, the sun never goes "down"... Just like...left.

• 19:23, "The sun had risen over the earth when Lot came to Zoar. "
  Risen eh.... not in that model.
•  32:31"Now the sun rose upon him just as he crossed over Penuel, and he was limping on his thigh. " How? If the light shown down from that angle, it wouldn't be rising up.
• Exodus 17:12, "But Moses’ hands were heavy. Then they took a stone and put it under him, and he sat on it; and Aaron and Hur supported his hands, one on one side and one on the other. Thus his hands were steady until the sun set. "
  If you guys were to take this passage the way you do other passages, it would mean that the sun only rises and sets when people move their arms.. and I think we all know, that only works for winning in football or the world series.  Still, in the flat earth hoverball model... there is no setting.
•  22:3,"But if the sun has risen on him, there will be bloodguiltiness on his account. He shall surely make restitution; if he owns nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. "
  Sunrise and sun set...
•  22:26 "If you ever take your neighbor’s cloak as a pledge, you are to return it to him before the sun sets"
  You know, there is a group that talks about the rising sun and setting sun...the ones that believe in a Globe earth. Does all this fit in the Globe earth belief? Yes it does... because it looks like the sun rises from the horizon and then sets after moving across the sky... imagine that. This DOESNT actually say anything on the shape of the earth. All of these verses are disqualified and used to just pad the bill.

 Leviticus 22:7 " But when the sun sets, he will be clean, and afterward he shall eat of the holy gifts, for it is his food. " Interesting thing to follow up on because Yeshua mentions David and his men eating of this food... but that, much like this... has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.

• Lets see if these have anything to do with the shape of the earth or if its more sun rise sunset stuff.... Numbers 2:3, "Now those who camp on the east side toward the sunrise shall be of the standard of the camp of Judah, by their armies, and the leader of the sons of Judah: Nahshon the son of Amminadab," Nope
• 21:11,  ^"They journeyed from Oboth and camped at Iye-abarim, in the wilderness which is opposite Moab, to the east." I had to look this one up because this has nothing to do with anything... period... I got the scripture right... this is clearly another example of padding the bill.  
• 34:15," The two and a half tribes have received their possession across the Jordan opposite Jericho, eastward toward the sunrising.” ...nope, back to sunrise and sunset. You know I just should link that daytime night time bird... its about as relevant 

• Deuteronomy 4:41, "Then Moses set apart three cities across the Jordan to the east" Sorry folks, there are cities in the east... the earth is flat. Pack it in. we're done.
•  4:47, " They took possession of his land and the land of Og king of Bashan, the two kings of the Amorites, who were across the Jordan to the east" This would be like me saying, New York exists, the world is shaped like funnel cake.
•  11:30, "Are they not across the Jordan, west of the way toward the sunset, in the land of the Canaanites who live in the Arabah, opposite Gilgal, beside the oaks of Moreh? " At least we're back to at least mentioning the sun which is almost pertinent but still not in relation to the shape of the earth
•  16:6, " but at the place where the Lord your God chooses to establish His name, you shall sacrifice the Passover in the evening at sunset, at the time that you came out of Egypt. " In the flat earth model shouldn't this read  'you shall sacrifice the Passover in the evening at sunpause'
•  23:11,"But it shall be when evening approaches, he shall bathe himself with water, and at sundown he may reenter the camp." Bath-time means the earth is flat?
•  24:13, "When the sun goes down you shall surely return the pledge to him, that he may sleep in his cloak and bless you; and it will be righteousness for you before the Lord your God." Sleeping naked means the earth is flat?
•  24:15 " You shall give him his wages on his day before the sun sets, for he is poor and sets his heart on it; so that he will not cry against you to the Lord and it become sin in you." Paychecks mean that the earth is flat?

•  you ready for another set that mentions sunrise and sunset and has nothing to do with the shape of the earth? I know I am.... Joshua 1:15, "until the Lord gives your brothers rest, as He gives you, and they also possess the land which the Lord your God is giving them. Then you shall return to your own land, and possess that which Moses the servant of the Lord gave you beyond the Jordan toward the sunrise.” Man there is a whole bit that cross references with Hebrews 4 about resting and keeping the Sabbath and taking the land.... but what isn't here... is anything about the shape of the earth.
•  8:29," He hanged the king of Ai on a tree until evening; and at sunset Joshua gave command and they took his body down from the tree and threw it at the entrance of the city gate, and raised over it a great heap of stones that stands to this day." Had a hanging, Earths flat now?
•  10:27, " It came about at sunset that Joshua gave a command, and they took them down from the trees and threw them into the cave where they had hidden themselves, and put large stones over the mouth of the cave, to this very day." Boarded up the ol mine, that means the earths flat?
•  12:1, " Now these are the kings of the land whom the sons of Israel defeated, and whose land they possessed beyond the Jordan toward the sunrise, from the valley of the Arnon as far as Mount Hermon, and all the Arabah to the east: " ...did..... did Israel pound down the kings SO hard that they.... they flattened the entire earth???? Because if no, this has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
•  13:5, "and the land of the Gebalite, and all of Lebanon, toward the east, from Baal-gad below Mount Hermon as far as Lebo-hamath."  Lebo-hamath is a cool sounding name but its not a shape of the earth... probably... I'mma make sure ...it is not
•  19:12, "Then it turned from Sarid to the east toward the sunrise as far as the border of Chisloth-tabor, and it proceeded to Daberath and up to Japhia. " Daberath sounds like a Christian metal band... but not a shape of the earth.
•  19:27, "It turned toward the east to Beth-dagon and reached to Zebulun, and to the valley of Iphtahel northward to Beth-emek and Neiel; then it proceeded on north to Cabul" We got an old Bible mapquest thing going on here, but not a shape of the earth.
•  19:34 "Then the border turned westward to Aznoth-tabor and proceeded from there to Hukkok; and it reached to Zebulun on the south and touched Asher on the west, and to Judah at the Jordan toward the east" It touched Asher on the west, Asher is now IT. *everyone runs from Asher*  Still no shape.

• Lets get.... Judgey... Judges 8:13, "Then Gideon the son of Joash returned from the battle by the ascent of Heres. " What the what..... what? What does....what?  What the.... ... What does this have to do with anything? ...what?
•  9:33, "In the morning, as soon as the sun is up, you shall rise early and rush upon the city; and behold, when he and the people who are with him come out against you, you shall do to them whatever you can.”" We've got morning people, that means the earth is flat?
•  14:18, "So the men of the city said to him on the seventh day before the sun went down,
  “What is sweeter than honey?
  And what is stronger than a lion?”
  And he said to them,
  “If you had not plowed with my heifer,
  You would not have found out my riddle.”  Do. NOT. Plow. With. Another. Mans. Heifer. Advice for life people. Don't do it. Also this has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
•  19:14, "So they passed along and went their way, and the sun set on them near Gibeah which belongs to Benjamin. " So... that means that the sun fell out of the sky, on each of them right? like a giant fiery squish.... no? are we...we not doing that literal thing here?
• 20:43 "They surrounded Benjamin, pursued them without rest and trod them down opposite Gibeah toward the east. " Benji starts a civil war, must mean the earth is flat?
• 2 Samuel 3:35, "Then all the people came to persuade David to eat bread while it was still day; but David vowed, saying, “May God do so to me, and more also, if I taste bread or anything else before the sun goes down.” So David vowed not to eat bread, and thus the earth was flat, and flatbread became a thing?
•  23:4, Is as the light of the morning when the sun rises,
  A morning without clouds,
  When the tender grass springs out of the earth,
  Through sunshine after rain.’  Sun RISES, not Sun MAKES A LEFT AND COMES NEAR WITH LIMITED LIGHT SCOPE
• 1 Kings 22:36, "Then a cry passed throughout the army close to sunset, saying, “Every man to his city and every man to his country.” I read this and in my head I heard that song "I'm every woman, its all in me" and I dunno what that was about, but it isn't a shape of the earth I can tell you that much
•  2 Chronicles 18:34, "The battle raged that day, and the king of Israel propped himself up in his chariot in front of the Arameans until the evening; and at sunset he died." Chariot races are not an earth shape.
•  Psalm 50:1, "The Mighty One, God, the Lord, has spoken,
  And summoned the earth from the rising of the sun to its setting " Which place on the circuit is the rise and which is the set?
•  113:3,"From the rising of the sun to its setting
  The name of the Lord is to be praised." .... because honestly, the circuit thing above is what the global people believe, except the circle is around the whole globe.
•  Ecclesiastes 1:5, "Also, the sun rises and the sun sets;
  And hastening to its place it rises there again." I see that the sun travels on a circuit through the galaxy...  look at this accurate video that also has cool background music. The sun travels in a circuit.
•  Isaiah 41:25, "“I have aroused one from the north, and he has come;
  From the rising of the sun he will call on My name;
  And he will come upon rulers as upon mortar,
  Even as the potter treads clay.”" Potters tread clay, earths flat?
•  45:6, "That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun
  That there is no one besides Me.
  I am the Lord, and there is no other " no one is next to the Lord, earth flat?
• 59:19, "So they will fear the name of the Lord from the west
  And His glory from the rising of the sun, For He will come like a rushing stream
  Which the wind of the Lord drives."  Lord drives wind and streams... flat earth? How does that jump in logic keep happening?

• Jeremiah 15:9 , "“She who bore seven sons pines away;Her breathing is labored.
  Her sun has set while it was yet day; She has been shamed and humiliated.
  So I will give over their survivors to the sword Before their enemies,” declares the Lord. Pretty intense. Not a shape though.
  
•  Daniel 6:14, "Then, as soon as the king heard this statement, he was deeply distressed and set his mind on delivering Daniel; and even until sunset he kept exerting himself to rescue him. " Distressed kings are not an earth shape
•  Amos 8:9,  "“It will come about in that day,” declares the Lord God,
  “That I will make the sun go down at noon And make the earth dark in broad daylight." Ok, A miracle isn't the same thing as an earth shape. God bringing Yeshua from the grave isn't a commentary on layers of heaven and earth.
   
• Jonah 4:8, " When the sun came up God appointed a scorching east wind, and the sun beat down on Jonah’s head so that he became faint and begged with all his soul to die, saying, “Death is better to me than life.”"  Uh oh... we have another literalist verse... the sun punched Jonah in the face... Its that angry sun from Mario 3 with the arms and the frowns.... 
• Micha 3:6,"Therefore it will be night for you—without vision, And darkness for you—without divination. The sun will go down on the prophets, And the day will become dark over them" seems symbolic, but doesn't seem like an earth shape
•  Nahum 3:17," Your guardsmen are like the swarming locust. Your marshals are like hordes of grasshoppers Settling in the stone walls on a cold day. The sun rises and they flee,
  And the place where they are is not known."  Cool analogy, no shape.
•  Malachi 1:11, "For from the rising of the sun even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations,” says the Lord of hosts" * read this in my best Paul Willbur impersonation voice* "Thiiiiiiis is not a shaaaape, from the rising of the sun, to the end of every dayyyyy, THIIIIIIISSSS is NOT a SHAAAAAAAPE"
•  Matthew 5:45, "so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous" *inhales* THIIIIIIIS IS NOT AAAAA SHAAAAAPE
• Mark 16:2,"Very early on the first day of the week, they *came to the tomb when the sun had risen. " a field trip to the cemetery does not mean the earth is flat.
•  Ephesians 4:26, ^"Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger,"  We got a mad face, the earths flat?
   
• James 1:11"For the sun rises with a scorching wind and withers the grass; and its flower falls off and the beauty of its appearance is destroyed; so too the rich man in the midst of his pursuits will fade away" None of those were shapes.  I feel like running game tape like a football coach except every play is a rerun of sesame street.
  
  
  Now that we have all of that, the heading is that the earth doesn't move.... but...
  "The earth reels to and fro like a drunkard And it totters like a shack, For its transgression is heavy upon it,And it will fall, never to rise again." Isaiah 24 tottering is movement. The earth totters like a shack. Reeling is movement like a drunkard... the earth moves like I do after too much whiskey trying to find the bathroom.
  
  Isaiah 38:8 doesn't work with your dome light flat top sun moon halo thingy
  "Behold, I will cause the shadow on the stairway, which has gone down with the sun on the stairway of Ahaz, to go back ten steps.” So the sun’s shadow went back ten steps on the stairway on which it had gone down."  

SUN STOPS MOVING (is sun stops moving an earth shape?)
Isaiah 60:20, Job 9:7, Joshua 10:12-14, Habakuk 3:11

• Isaiah 60:20,  AW C'MON.... for real... "Your sun will no longer set,
  Nor will your moon wane; For you will have the Lord for an everlasting light,
  And the days of your mourning will be over."  You're over here trying to use a verse about essentially HEAVEN to say that the sun stops moving, at a time, when there is NO SUN OR MOON and none of that is a friggin shape of the friggin earth.
• Job 9:7, "Who commands the sun not to shine, And sets a seal upon the stars"  I bet its the same one that commanded the Earth to be ROUND
• Joshua 10:12-14, "Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel,“O sun, stand still at Gibeon, And O moon in the valley of Aijalon.”
  ¹³ So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped,
  Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies.Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. ¹⁴ There was no day like that before it or after it, when the Lord listened to the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel."

Shouldn't that mean that the sun didn't circle left? Also, if there was no day like it before or after it... doesn't that mean that this is not a working model for your case? There was never a day like it before or after... meaning that the sun doesn't in fact stop the way you say it stops?

• Habakuk 3:11"Sun and moon stood in their places; They went away at the light of Your arrows, At the radiance of Your gleaming spear." *now sing it in the song style of the lion king* THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATSA NOTTTTTTTTAAAAA SHAPEOFDAEARTH *hummmm *

MOON HAS ITS OWN LIGHT

Genesis 1:16, Isaiah13:10, 30:26, 60:19-20, Jeremiah 31:35,  Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24, Ezekiel 32:7, Revelation 21:23

• Genesis 1:16, "God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also"  The moon has a light, given to it by the sun that it reflects, and that isn't an earth shape. none of this section has any bearing on the shape of the earth
•  Isaiah13:10, "For the stars of heaven and their constellations
  Will not flash forth their light; The sun will be dark when it rises 
  And the moon will not shed its light."   Interesting that when the sun goes dark.... the moon does too... its almost like the moon was reflecting light from somewhere...
•  30:26, "The light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven days, on the day the Lord binds up the fracture of His people and heals the bruise He has inflicted." today I learned that currently the moon reflects 1/7th of the light of the sun. This math is probably wrong because I suck at math, but, the moon will go to the sun level and the sun will go to super level.
• 60:19-20, "No longer will you have the sun for light by day, Nor for brightness will the moon give you light; But you will have the Lord for an everlasting light,
  And your God for your glory.²⁰ “Your sun will no longer set,Nor will your moon wane;
  For you will have the Lord for an everlasting light,And the days of your mourning will be over." Moon not having light still seems DIRECTLY related to the amount of Light by the Sun...
  
•  Jeremiah 31:35,  Thus says the Lord, Who gives the sun for light by day
  And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night,Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar; The Lord of hosts is His name:"  I'm running out of songs to say this is not a shape of the earth to...
• Matthew 24:29, "“But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. " Sun lights out...moon lights out... simple. Not an earth shape.
  
•  Mark 13:24, "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light"  Sun dark, moon dark
•  Ezekiel 32:7,“And when I extinguish you,
  I will cover the heavens and darken their stars;
  I will cover the sun with a cloud
  And the moon will not give its light."  What about Celine Dion...  I think that might work, the Titanic song...
  
•  Revelation 21:23 "And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
  *inhales* THIIIIIIIIIIS ISSSSSS NOOT a SHAAAAAPE of the EARTHHHHHHHH, but I know in my heart that you can get this is not a shappppeeeeee.

HIGH ALTITUDE PERSPECTIVES

Daniel 4:11, 4:20, Matthew4:8

• Daniel 4:11, "‘The tree grew large and became strong
  And its height reached to the sky,
  And it was visible to the end of the whole earth."  THIS WAS A VISON!!! You know, that place where seeing an angel doesn't make you poop yourself, where you can take coals from the altar and clean your mouth without doing severe face melting damage!!!  Look, Daniel even breaks it down in verse 21...but it adds verse 20 as some kinda proof next so lets do that
• 4:20,"The tree that you saw, which became large and grew strong, whose height reached to the sky and was visible to all the earth" AND THE INTERPRETATION OF THE VISON...."and whose foliage was beautiful and its fruit abundant, and in which was food for all, under which the beasts of the field dwelt and in whose branches the birds of the sky lodged— ²² it is you, O king; for you have become great and grown strong, and your majesty has become great and reached to the sky and your dominion to the end of the earth" Get outta here with your garbage renderings and violence to the text.
•  Matthew 4:8 "Again, the devil *took Him to a very high mountain and *showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory; "   So, you're taking this face to face conversation with THE DEVIL to mean that there is a mountain in which you can get a line of sight on every kingdom....ever.... and not as the devil just showed Him some stuff

EVERYONE SEES JESUS ( that isn't a shape!!!)
Revelation 1:7 
"Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen."
NOT. A. SHAPE.
MATTHEWS BIBLE FROM 1537 SAYS FLAT EARTH
2 Samuel 11:11
Oh I see we're not only making up scriptures but we're going with obscure Bibles that aren't around probably because they're poorly translated too

NEW JERUSALEM THE HUGE CUBE (..? is that right...like the Borg?)

Revelation 21:15-17

• Revelation 21:15-17 " The one who spoke with me had a gold measuring rod to measure the city, and its gates and its wall. ¹⁶ The city is laid out as a square, and its length is as great as the width; and he measured the city with the rod, fifteen hundred miles; its length and width and height are equal. ¹⁷ And he measured its wall, seventy-two yards, according to human measurements, which are also angelic measurements. " I mean its cool that heaven says No to the metric system.... but a city laid out in a square isn't an earth shape any more than Madison square garden is the earth shape...

CREATION WORSHIPPERS: (are NOT A SHAPE)
Deuteronomy 4:19,17:3, 2 Kings 23:5, Jeremiah 8:2

• Deuteronomy 4:19,And beware not to lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the Lord your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.
• 17:3,"and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded"
•  2 Kings 23:5, "He did away with the idolatrous priests whom the kings of Judah had appointed to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah and in the surrounding area of Jerusalem, also those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and to the moon and to the constellations and to all the host of heaven. "
•  Jeremiah 8:2 " They will spread them out to the sun, the moon and to all the host of heaven, which they have loved and which they have served, and which they have gone after and which they have sought, and which they have worshiped. They will not be gathered or buried; they will be as dung on the face of the ground. "
  
  Well, none of those were earth shapes... and acknowledging that the earth is round isn't worshipping the moon and starts any more than camping in the woods is worshipping trees.

GODS WORD IS ALWAYS FAITHFUL AND TRUE
Jeremiah 42:5, Revelation 3:14, 19:11,21:5

• Jeremiah 42:5, "Then they said to Jeremiah, “May the Lord be a true and faithful witness against us if we do not act in accordance with the whole message with which the Lord your God will send you to us." Bro... I caught you making up a few scriptures on this list!!!
•  Revelation 3:14, "“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:" You made up verses on this list that don't exist
• "19:11, " And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war" yeah...so repent for making stuff up
• 21:5 "And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He *said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.” " Yeshua hitting the freeverse there. Still not an earth shape.  200 verse debunked. *mic drop* 

Is the firmament a solid dome? I dunno... but...Link


 

Flat Tops- Dissecting Flat Earth Meme (Row B)

 

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EARTH HAS A FACE ( A GEOMETRICAL FLAT SURFACE)

Genesis 1:29, 4:14, 6:1, 6:7, 7:3-4, 8:5,11:8, 11:9, 41:56, Exodus 32:12, 33:16, Numbers 12:3, Deuteronomy 6:15, 7:6,  1 Samuel 20:15, 1 Kings 13:34, Job 37:12, Psalm104:30, Jeremiah 25:26, 28:16, Ezekiel 34:6, 38:20, 39:14, Amos 9:5-6, Zechariah 5:3

Okay lets set em up by book and knock em down.

• Genesis 1:29, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you" The fact that trees protrude from the ground and mountains exist in of itself means that the SURFACE is not flat, I doubt any of these verse say anything about what the header implies "a geometrically flat surface"
• 4:14,  Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and from Your face I will be hidden, and I will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”   If he was literally driven away from the ground does that mean he went to live in space? No, he was driven away from that specific land. How does land having a surface mean anything in regard to the shape of the earth? Saying I have skin doesn't tell you how big my waist is or what color I am.
•  6:1, "Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them" There ya have it folks, fold up shop I was wrong... this here says dudes started boinkin so that means the earth is flat.... #Sarcasm. It figures that the larger portions of text are not actually relevant.
•  6:7, The Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.”  Again, Unless he shot dudes into space and each space dude yelled back "OH HEY LOOK AT THAT, THE EARTH IS ACTUALLY SHAPED LIKE A DOUBLE STUFFED OREO COOKIE"  this has no bearing on the subject.
•  7:3-4, " also of the birds of the sky, by sevens, male and female, to keep offspring alive on the face of all the earth. ⁴ For after seven more days, I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will blot out from the face of the land every living thing that I have made.” " Yes we concede that the face of the earth is the surface that you see and not, say, the molten magma core.
•  8:5,"The water decreased steadily until the tenth month; in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the mountains became visible." Quite interesting that they opted to put this verse in seeing as how that means that the earth isn't a Geometric flat surface as the top of the mountain sticks out way more than the valley. This verse undermines the rest of the list
• 11:8,"So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city. " Earth got acne, it happens. Doesn't mean that its a geometric flat manhole cover.
•  11:9, "Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of the whole earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of the whole earth." Ah, I don't speak Mandarin so the earth must be the shape of a grape once its stepped on. That doesn't make any sense.
•  41:56 "When the famine was spread over all the face of the earth, then Joseph opened all the storehouses, and sold to the Egyptians; and the famine was severe in the land of Egypt." NOTHING. TO . DO. WITH . THE .SHAPE. OF. THE. EARTH.
• Exodus 32:12, 33:16,             Same stuff as above
• Numbers 12:3,                        Same stuff as above
•  Deuteronomy 6:15, 7:6,         Same stuff as above
•  1 Samuel 20:15,                     Same stuff as above
•  1 Kings 13:34,                        Same stuff as above
• Job 37:12,                                Same stuff as above
•  Psalm104:30,                          Same stuff as above
• Jeremiah 25:26, 28:16,            Same stuff as above
•  Ezekiel 34:6, 38:20, 39:14,    Same stuff as above
•  Amos 9:5-6,                           Same stuff as above
•  Zechariah 5:3                       Just keep going the same way.... I think they're trying to say that the face of the earth is like the top... and that ... everything is on the face...  I'm not sure.  But anyway here is what face means from this verse
  face
  1. face, faces
  2. presence, person
  3. face (of seraphim or cherubim)
  4. face (of animals)
  5. face, surface (of ground)
  6. as adv of loc/temp
     1. before and behind, toward, in front of, forward, formerly, from beforetime, before
  7. with prep
     1. in front of, before, to the front of, in the presence of, in the face of, at the face or front of, from the presence of, from before, from before the face of

WATERS HAVE A FACE  (A GEOMETRIC FLAT SURFACE)
Gen 1:2, Gen 7:18, Job 38:30

Let me start off and tell you that there is such a thing as surface tension. That means that water has a surface, and it is moveable and sticks to things until something breaks that surface tension

Waters have a face here. I'm curious as to if that has any bearing on the shape of the earth.

• Gen 1:2, "The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. " That actually does mention the shape of the earth as not existing. This is one of the first actually relevant  verses you've shared. Good job! It is contrary to the case you're trying to make, but... you did a thing! yay!
• Gen 7:18, "The water prevailed and increased greatly upon the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. " Much like the paperclip in above video... still not showing the shape of the earth.
• Job 38:30 "Water becomes hard like stone, And the surface of the deep is imprisoned." Congratulations, you've discovered the Biblical verse for "Ice".  For some of you. you like to make the case "How come the word circle was uses instead of the word ball or sphere or whatever"  Well, because it wasn't. In this verse, the writer states water became hard like stone. Why didn't he say Ice, the word ice is used in the previous verse “From whose womb has come the ice? And the frost of heaven, who has given it birth?" He didn't say Ice because...He didn't say Ice. Furthermore, there's that verse again... If we're to take things literally where is ol ice womb?

 

EARTH HAS ENDS (who's arguing that it doesn't. It doesn't extend into space forever)

Deuteronomy 20:49,28:64, 33:17, 1 Samuel 2:10, Job 37:3,38:13, Psalms 46:9, 48:10,59:13,61:2, 65:5,67:7,72:8,98:3,135:7, Proverbs 30:4, 17:24, Isaiah 5:26, 26:15, 40:28, 41:5,41:9, 42:10, 43:6 , 45:22, 48:20, 49:6, 52:10, Jeremiah 25:31,10:13,16:19, 25:33,51:16, Daniel 4:22, Micah 5:4, Zechariah 9:10, acts 13:47 ( lotta turds in this bowl, see what flushes out)  

 

 

• Deuteronomy 20:49... Let me just look that up here... Deuteronomy 20..... 18, 19,20... THERE IS NO DEUTERONOMY 20:49!!!!!! THAT IS THE SECOND ONE ON THE LIST THAT DOESNT EXIST!!!!!
  Deut 28:64 , "Moreover, the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth; and there you shall serve other gods, wood and stone, which you or your fathers have not known"  If we are to take the idea that everything that is the face of the earth is the top of some disc, then when scattered from one end [top] to the other [bottom] then that means that people are on the underside/dark side of the earth.
  Deut 33:17 “As the firstborn of his ox, majesty is his, And his horns are the horns of the wild ox; With them he will push the peoples, All at once, to the ends of the earth. And those are the ten thousands of Ephraim, And those are the thousands of Manasseh.” So either its a figure of speech or are they actually going to push people to the literal edge of the earth? Seems like its going to take a lot of wheelbarrows because I can imagine that some of the people you're pushing aren't going to co-operate. Maybe get some of those couch coasters so that they glide with ease. The phrase ends of the earth is an idiom for "furthest reach of man's dominion" If I were to say that I'll go to the end of the earth for someone I love, I am not saying that I'm going to the edge of the planet, I'm saying that I'll do everything within my power to achieve something.
•  1 Samuel 2:10, “Those who contend with the Lord will be shattered; Against them He will thunder in the heavens, The Lord will judge the ends of the earth; And He will give strength to His king, And will exalt the horn of His anointed.”
  Again, ends of the earth is an idiom for mans efforts, hence the context of this very verse is that he will shatter those who contend with Him.
• Job 37:3,“Under the whole heaven He lets it loose, And His lightning to the ends of the earth."  Again, using imagery here, unless you think in verse one where it says “At this also my heart trembles, And leaps from its place." That the dudes heart leapt up like a full high jumper out of the body and just like started doing hand sprints around the room.
  Job 38:13"That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it" In the context God is rebuking Job, but lets set that aside for the main point... Earth has dimensional space. My waist has dimensional space. Someone could theoretically (I don't advise it, if you touch me I'll hurt you) grab the edge of me by putting their hands on my hips. Does this mean that I am flat, or my waist is flat? No it doesn't.
•  Psalms 46:9, - "He makes wars to cease to the end of the earth; He breaks the bow and cuts the spear in two; He burns the chariots with fire." Start to finish does not dictate the shape of the earth.
  48:10,- "As is Your name, O God, So is Your praise to the ends of the earth; Your right hand is full of righteousness." Praising God until the end of time does not speak to the shape of the earth
  59:13,- "Destroy them in wrath, destroy them that they may be no more; That men may know that God rules in Jacob To the ends of the earth. Selah." God judging everyone at the end does not  dictate the shape of the earth
  61:2,- "From the end of the earth I call to You when my heart is faint; Lead me to the rock that is higher than I." End here is to mean at the end of a period of time, not a geographic location.
  65:5,- "By awesome deeds You answer us in righteousness, O God of our salvation, You who are the trust of all the ends of the earth and of the farthest sea"  Saying that the earth has ends, like again, top and bottom, isn't speaking to shape only vague dimensions. We know that the earth doesn't extend to the moon, or we cant jump on mars from our house... because the earth has ends... that does not mean that the earth is flat.
  67:7,- "God blesses us,That all the ends of the earth may fear Him."  do you believe that in verse one of this chapter that God's face literally reflects light as the sun? "God be gracious to us and bless us, And cause His face to shine upon us" or is that an idiom for God's favor?
  72:8,- "May he also rule from sea to sea And from the River to the ends of the earth." yes, all over the Globe...
  98:3,- "He has remembered His lovingkindness and His faithfulness to the house of Israel;
  All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God." As in everyone will see it, not the edges of the earth are looking at the salvation of God. Why would it be telling a story about some rocks and dirt looking at the salvation of God? How many times have you watched the never ending story? The rock biter is not a Biblical character, even if you staple some book of Enoch stuff in there.
  135:7,- He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth; Who makes lightnings for the rain, Who brings forth the wind from His treasuries"  Again, the top of the earth. I've seen fog and mist rise from the ground into the air. It rose out of the ground, the ground that stopped at foot level, the ground that did not extend over me into space. None of these have made a case for a ice cream sandwich shaped disc earth shape.
•  Proverbs 30:4, "Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His son's name? Surely you know! " Ok so according to this, Water should be made of a garment right? if we are taking the imagery here as literal, then water should be made of clothes.
  17:24,- "Wisdom is in the presence of the one who has understanding, But the eyes of a fool are on the ends of the earth." So you mean to tell me that all of this talk on the edge of the earth and you included a scripture that calls you a fool for being focused on the edge of the earth? Do I even really need to give commentary on the fact that the Bible calls you dumb for focusing on that? ALTHOUGH, I think it means that the fool has his eyes on what they can achieve by their own hand.
•  Isaiah 5:26, - Same as above breakdown in Psalms
  26:15,- "You have increased the nation, O Lord,You have increased the nation, You are glorified;You have extended all the borders of the land." Whaaat, land boarders... hmmm how can we bastardize the text into molding in a preconceived notion of flat earth.... 
  40:28,- "Do you not know? Have you not heard? The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth Does not become weary or tired. His understanding is inscrutable" Your honor the prosecution stipulates that the scriptures use the phrase ends of the earth, but we object to the notion that this is in any way stating a shape of said earth.
  41:5,- "The coastlands have seen and are afraid; The ends of the earth tremble;They have drawn near and have come."... how did they do that if they can't move?
  41:9,- "You whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, And called from its remotest parts
  And said to you, ‘You are My servant, I have chosen you and not rejected you."  "end, extremity
  1. end
  2. from the whole of, from among (of what is included between extremities)
  This is saying that I have taken you from the 4 quarters of the world
  
  42:10,-Sing to the Lord a new song, Sing His praise from the end of the earth!You who go down to the sea, and all that is in it. You islands, and those who dwell on them."- See def. above
  43:6 - "“I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’And to the south, ‘Do not hold them back.’
  Bring My sons from afar And My daughters from the ends of the earth" Affirmation that he's speaking to the 4 directions and not literal edge pieces of a earth wafer
  45:22,- "“Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other." Same as above
  48:20,-  Go forth from Babylon! Flee from the Chaldeans! Declare with the sound of joyful shouting, proclaim this, Send it out to the end of the earth; Say, “The Lord has redeemed His servant Jacob.” - Again North South East West = ends of the earth
  49:6, - "He says, “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations
  So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”"  I haven't seen anyone pushing flat earth shining Moses off the mountain style.
  52:10, - "The Lord has bared His holy arm In the sight of all the nations,That all the ends of the earth may see The salvation of our God." If you go east and lower the altitude far as you go, it will eventually become west, same with northern slopes and southern slopes. This does not make the case for flatness of earth

• Jeremiah 25:31-   Not an earth shape
  10:13,-  "When He utters His voice, there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, And He causes the clouds to ascend from the end of the earth; He makes lightning for the rain, And brings out the wind from His storehouses." Firstly, Not an earth shape. Second.... do you also think wind is kept in a giant house/box just out of view? People will agree that all the rest of the planets are round because they can see them in telescopes, but they take exception with earth... and they would have to believe in literal storehouses of wind...
  16:19,-  Not an earth shape
  25:33,- Not an earth shape
  51:16, -  This says the exact same thing as 10:13 and is still not an earth shape, and still not an explanation of storehouse wind.
•  Daniel 4:22,... does anyone record in history ever that there was a dude that was a tree that ended world hunger? Because if you back up to verse 21, you can see that if we take this DREAM INTERPRETATION literally, then we have to conclude that the guy was tree that fed everyone and reached into space. "The tree that you saw, which became large and grew strong, whose height reached to the sky and was visible to all the earth ²¹ and whose foliage was beautiful and its fruit abundant, and in which was food for all, under which the beasts of the field dwelt and in whose branches the birds of the sky lodged— ²² it is you, O king; for you have become great and grown strong, and your majesty has become great and reached to the sky and your dominion to the end of the earth."
•  Micah 5:4, to the ends of the earth is not a shape!!!
• Zechariah 9:10, not a shape of the earth.
• Acts 13:47 "For so the Lord has commanded us, ‘I have placed You as a light for the Gentiles, That You may bring salvation to the end of the earth.’”  ... How come the word here isn't recording that each of these dudes faces lit up like the Bat Signal over Gotham city, since if we're toing to take the idiom of to the ends of the earth literal, then we must also take that they are literal lights, so tell me which disciples butts glowed in the dark like some majestic firefly? My guess if it were anyone it would be Barnabas, but that's just a guess... no wait, I guess NOBODY.

EARTH HAS CORNERS

Isaiah 11:12, Revelation 7:1

• Isaiah 11:12"And He will lift up a standard for the nations  And assemble the banished ones of Israel,  And will gather the dispersed of Judah From the four corners of the earth." Not literal corners, its an expression for the North, South, East, West.
•  Revelation 7:1 "After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree."  Revelation is the same book that says Yeshua shoots swords out of His mouth. you know what... I MIGHT listen to you on this one once you explain whatever this is:
  " The first creature was like a lion, and the second creature like a calf, and the third creature had a face like that of a man, and the fourth creature was like a flying eagle.  And the four living creatures, each one of them having six wings, are full of eyes around and within; and day and night they do not cease to say..."

FIRMAMENT/ DOME ( isn't that the thing that goes over the earth, not the shape of the earth itself?)

Genesis 1:14-18, 1:6-8, 1:20,7:11,8:2, Job37:18, Psalm 19:1, 150:1, Isaiah 40:22, Ezekiel 1:22-26, 10:1, Daniel 12:3
I'm going to call it first, that a dome over the earth does not effect the shape of the earth... For instance look at this :
 

You see that? Ya see how even under this that the earth can still be a globe? Even if there is a giant ice sheet at the beginning that held the water as part of the Canopy Theory suggests, that does not speak to the shape of the earth.


Lets look at Revelations again where it says:
After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things.”

Could this dome be a literal spiritual thing that is not seen or touched unless God wants it to be? What about the throneroom of God, where is that in whatever the flat earth version of NASA is? In the weird POG shaped flat earth with a cake plate over it firmament model, there is still nothing accounting for this Revelation doorway to Heaven, or a giant ladder that all the Angels go up and down on that is protruding from the earth.

Alright lets see what we got here...

•  Genesis 1:14-18, Lets see.... "lights in the expanse of the heavens " not an earth shape... "and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; " Nope not an earth shape... actually this isn't even mentioning a dome the way its supposed to... "He made the stars also.  God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness" Yep, nothing on earth shape or a giant dome over the earth. This scripture has no bearing here.  Let me show you something else
  
  
  You see how that separation of light, and dark over the earth... they.... they create a ... shape over the earth... kinda shape with like, a flat line and then... then like a half circle... almost like, say, a dome. I'm just sayin, that it is a dome, over the earth, without the earth being flat. Just sayin.

• Gen 1:6-8, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” ⁷ God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so. ⁸ God called the expanse heaven."

We have directions and we have labels but what we don't have... is a shape. Take a look at this picture, we have water that is separated from water, there is something separating waters above the flat surface of the table, from the water that is on the flat surface of the table.  Using the same descriptions in Gen 1:6-8, this doesn't paint the picture of a flat plate with water on the plate, just as it doesn't paint the picture of a glass with water in the glass. It doesn't speak to a shape, just waters above and below. Also, with a globe, you can still have water in the core and water in the surface...actually, click this link

• Gen 1:20,"Then God said, “Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens.”  Anyone who has ever seen a goldfish bowl can tell you that this verse doesn't mean anything in the realm of flat earthiness
• 7:11, "In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened. "  Going back to Jacobs ladder... Jacob made the statement that where he was sleeping was the gate to heaven... Is the gate to heaven in the desert where Jacob passed out, or are these real and in no way imagery gates in the sky? Was Jacob sleep flying? How does that gates of heaven thing fit with Revelation with the Angel being all "Pssst, cmon up here"  Are the gates up or are they not, are the flood gates above the regular gate.... or is this metaphoric word usage?
• 8:2 Floodgates of the sky being closed.... The heavens where the birds were just flying a few passages ago. Water being poured out from heaven, doesn't mean the earth is flat. especially if you ascribe to canopy theory that has a layer of ice all around the earth

•   Job37:18, "“Can you, with Him, spread out the skies, Strong as a molten mirror?" Imagery, and also... are you saying that the sky is capable of falling because it is a physical thing that is strong as a molten mirror? How do birds fly inside a molten mirror?  

•  Psalm 19:1, "The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands." That is not a shape of the earth. That isn't even a shape of a dome thing..?
  150:1, "Praise the Lord! Praise God in His sanctuary; Praise Him in His mighty expanse"  This still isn't a shape, of earth nor dome
•  Isaiah 40:22, "It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in." This is an actual shape of the earth verse, you did it!!! And that shape supports the idea of a globe!!! Circles don't have corners btw so you may be reading something wrong. Also, here's a thing on the curtain idea... a curtain is a flat blanket like thing over a window... but a tent is a 3 dimensional construct with things inside of it. So space, may be a free hanging "thing" but we all dwell in the "empty" space... as in space is a large area of black and stars and planets and not some cloth like thing draped over the Dixie plate of earth like a napkin.
•  Ezekiel 1:22-26, Again, nowhere in this text is there a shape of earth nor is there a shape of any dome like thing over the earth. In fact, it says something like an expanse.... as in it may not even be an expanse
  
  10:1, "Then I looked, and behold, in the expanse that was over the heads of the cherubim something like a sapphire stone, in appearance resembling a throne, appeared above them. " Still not a shape, of earth or dome. are thrones dome shaped?
•  Daniel 12:3 "Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. " Ok, heaven is expansive... and bright... that still isn't a shape of a dome nor is it the shape of earth.
  
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