Divine.

Messianics have an chip on their shoulders when it comes to heresy.  So many have been in the church and have come to find that something that a very important and defining part of scripture has been misinterpreted or misapplied. One of the most frustrating parts in finding that out, is the painstaking over correction. It isn't that we just set aside the false interpretation in regard to the Torah, no, it seems we are painstakingly going back and re-evaluating every rightly debunked heresy as well.  It is because of this that we have seen a rise in strange doctrines and conspiracy and the resurgence of gnosticism. However, every now and again something right gets tossed out of the mix. They throw the baby out with the bathwater. One of the doctrines people abandon is the triune nature of God. I've pulled some samples from various places as example texts because sometimes you have to look at the big picture instead of a very narrowed scope.  I'll walk you through some points...


Called God

The Father : Phil 1:2 "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
The Son: John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Col 2:9 "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form"
The Holy Spirit : Acts 5:3-4 "But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

CreatorThe Father: Isaiah 64: 8 But now, O Lord, You are our Father, We are the clay, and You our potter;
And all of us are the work of Your hand
The Son: John 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Col 1:15-17 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
The Holy Spirit: Job 33:4 “The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.

Resurrects

The Father: 1 Thes 1:10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come
The Son: John 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
10:17 For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again
The Holy Spirit: Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you

Indwells

The Father: 2 Cor 6:16 Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, “I will dwell in them and walk among them;
And I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
The Son: Col 1:27 to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
The Holy Spirit: John 14:17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

Everywhere

The Father:  1 Kings 8:27 “But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You, how much less this house which I have built!
The Son:  Matt 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
The Holy Spirit: Psalm 139:7-10 Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence?⁸ If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.
⁹ If I take the wings of the dawn, If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea,¹⁰ Even there Your hand will lead me, And Your right hand will lay hold of me.

All Knowing

The Father: 1 John 3:20 in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.
The Son: John 16:30 Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God.”
21:17  He *said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.” Jesus *said to him, “Tend My sheep.
The Holy Spirit:1 Cor 2:10-11 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. ¹¹ For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Sanctifies

The Father: 1 Thes 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The Son: Hebrews 2:11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren
The Holy Spirit:1 Peter 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.

Life Giving

The Father: Gen 2:7 Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes.
The Son: John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes.
The Holy Spirit:2 Cor 3:6-8 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.⁷ But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, ⁸ how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?

Fellowship

The Father: 1 John 1:3 what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.
The Son: 1 Cor 1:9 God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
The Holy Spirit: 2 Cor 13:14  The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

Phil 2:1 Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and compassion,

Eternal

The Father: Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were born Or You gave birth to the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.
The Son: Micah 5 :1-2 Now muster yourselves in troops, daughter of troops; They have laid siege against us; With a rod they will smite the judge of Israel on the cheek. ² “But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.
The Holy Spirit:Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
 Hebrews 9:14  how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

A Will

The Father: Luke 22:42 saying, “Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done
The Son: John 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
The Holy Spirit: 1 Cor 12:11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.

Speaks
The Father: Matt 3:17   and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”
The Son: Luke 9:26 For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory, and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels
Luke 5:20  Seeing their faith, He said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven you.”
 7:48 Then He said to her, “Your sins have been forgiven.”
The Holy Spirit: Acts 8:29 Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot
 11:12 The Spirit told me to go with them without misgivings. These six brethren also went with me and we entered the man’s house.
 13:2 While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”

Love

The Father: John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life
The Son: Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her,
The Holy Spirit: Romans 15:30  Now I urge you, brethren, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God for me

Searches the Heart

The Father: Jer 17:10 “I, the Lord, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give to each man according to his ways, According to the results of his deeds.
The Son:Rev 2:23  And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds
The Holy Spirit:1 Cor 2:10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God



Now some people get stuck on one issue; Christ not putting the focus on Himself but instead giving it all to the Father saying to pray to Him. Though they say they aren't trying to make Yeshua out to be a lesser God or a demigod, their words often do that. The reason that Christ puts the focus on Glory to the Father is simple  1. As an example of a perfect Son.  2. How do you exemplify humility and still demand people worship you? People did worship Him and there isn't any record of Him telling them to stop. When we look at verses like this:

“You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord,“And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
11 “I, even I, am the Lord,
And there is no savior besides Me. - Isaiah 43

Sunday Shoos

You know what I was thinking about? I was thinking about Paul in Athens right. He's in a pagan city with all of its paganess,and they're paganing as pagans do. The script says

"Now while Paul was waiting for them at Athens, his spirit was being provoked within him as he was observing the city full of idols "

We've got people here, My self included that get super provoked in Spirit by all the dongle trees and Nimrodian shinnanigans... that's relatable. But sometimes we're not like Paul, because Paul it says

"So he was reasoning in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Gentiles, and in the market place every day with those who happened to be present. "

A lot of us won't go meet those who are in christian churches even though they're God-fearing, just as many of us were before we were entrusted with the revelation of Torah that we might be a little less stiff necked. We've got this stigma of US and THEM when not too long ago who we are now was the THEM.

Look at Paul again

"And also some of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers were conversing with him. Some were saying, “What would this idle babbler wish to say?” Others, “He seems to be a proclaimer of strange deities,”—because he was preaching Jesus and the resurrection. 19 And they took him and brought him to the Areopagus, saying, “May we know what this new teaching is which you are proclaiming? 20 For you are bringing some strange things to our ears; so we want to know what these things mean.”

A lot of us don't get that far. We wont set foot in a sunday church to find these people that might say "May we know what this new teaching is which you are proclaiming? For you are bringing some strange things to our ears; so we want to know what these things mean.” Why?
because often time we're angry or insulted by the "What would this idle babbler wish to say?” Others, “He seems to be a proclaimer of strange deities" part. What if we met them where they're at and proclaimed the part that their missing?

"“Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects. 23 For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, ‘TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.’ Therefore what you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you

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I think we often overlook the FACT that many sunday meet ups contain those who are very religious in all respects who worship in ignorance, that need someone to proclaim to them what it true. More of a Yeshua t the well waiting for the conversation to arise and less like Joshua stepping and slicing off Kings heads. (time and place for both of those)

What would happen if we read the book of Jonah, and where it said Jonah we put our names... and where it said Nineveh, we put the church?


 “Arise, go to [The sunday church] and proclaim to it the proclamation which I am going to tell you.” So [ I ] arose and went to [The sunday church] according to the word of the Lord. Now [Sunday church] was an exceedingly [Large mega church], a three [hour service].

Then the people of [The sunday church] believed in God; and they called a fast and put on sackcloth from the greatest to the least of them. (repented)"

Then the Lord said, “You had compassion on the plant for which you did not work and which you did not cause to grow, which came up overnight and perished overnight.  Should I not have compassion on [the sunday church], the [Large mega chuch] in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?”

What if we were to step past ourselves and engage others like this?   What if we didn't hold brothers and sisters in contempt the way that Jonah did Ninivah. What if we went to other believers who hold pagan customs in ignorance and we set aside our offense in order to reach them with the truth?
What if Christ held that same mentality, that He would not step into our world because we ARE  too stiff necked and HE too set apart? Where would we be then?

Knowledge Worship

The most important thing in a relationship with God is that you have a relationship with God.
Seems simple enough right? After all, what does God ask of us?

He has told you, O man, what is good; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God- Micah 6

Do Justice, Love kindness, Walk humbly. God asks that we obey Him and follow His commands, walking with Him. In all the details and complexities of this thing, It is actually very simple. Yeshua even said that His yolk was easy and His burden light. I know that the Bible is easy for the most part. Read it. Study it. Have a relationship with God. Pray to God. Walk humbly with God as you enact justice and love kindness. That seems pretty simple stuff. That's the best I can do for a lead in to my main topic. There seems in my estimation a cycle of topics that are flaring up in circles. It's like every few weeks there is a new uprising in some formerly put to rest heresy. There are these intellectualized argumentations and justifications of things that the scriptures themselves say to avoid. Recently it was giants. Before that it is the addition of heretical texts to the Word of God, being Jasher or Enoch or whatever the case. The focus becomes less on scripture and more about having a conversation on hidden secret knowledge. I'd even go so far as throwing the Talmud in the same basket. The esteem and elevation of these books as being equal to the word of God or being the necessary illumination of context of the secret understanding of the Word of God is at best dangerous. I recently read something that has stuck in my mind in a way that I haven't been able to shake. The original temptation of Lucifer.

Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.’” The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.-  Gen 3

You've got the direct word of God, and then the addition of Lucifer's context of the word of God. The temptation of this secret knowledge, and the ability to make one wise. This is something that is running amuck in the church today, both Messianic and Christian. We have so many people trying to be part of the "select inner group with special insight". Some of these people will start up a youtube channel specifically to put their special additions on the Word of God. Let me show you something, This is what Luciferianism is defined by:

Luciferianism is about the seeking of knowledge from both within and without.
For Luciferians, wealth is not something to be ashamed of. You are encouraged to strive for success and enjoy the fruits of your labors. You are allowed and even encouraged to take pride in your accomplishments and to highlight them. All knowledge is good. Ignorance, however, leads to all sorts of problems: hatred, lack of success, the inability to advance, etc. Unlike other belief systems in which faith plays a primary role, Luciferians celebrate knowledge of all types as the key to enlightenment and happiness in this life. 

Seeking special knowledge, amassing wealth, God wants you to be rich, bragging about all the things you've done (studied, rabbis sat with) The worship of knowledge itself. 2 Tim 3 makes mention of these attributes and it states:

holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 6 For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Am I saying that anyone that looks into some of the tricky parts of the Word are part of a devils scheme? No, absolutely not. However I have noted that there are some men and women that tout themselves as lovers of God, but it really looks more like they are worshippers of "wisdom"

But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. -2 cor 11

Simple and Pure devotion to Christ. Yoke is easy, burden is light. Yet volumes have been written about the traditions of men in what it means by their interpretations of the commands and what they think that means and the heavy burdens that they tie upon men, equating their traditions to the Word of God.

They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger. 5 But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments. 6 They love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 and respectful greetings in the market places, and being called Rabbi by men. 8 But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. 11 But the greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.- Matt 23

 I often see a lot of Messianics jocky for a position near other teachers and to share their input and researchers for a sense of belonging and validation. Many of these people flip through topics of great controversy because they want to be heard as authoritative and respected. A lot of these people (certainly NOT all because there's a number of people that study because the think things are interesting) derive their identity from what they learn and study instead of it being rooted in Yeshua.
Seems you cant sneeze in any direction without it spraying someone that wants to be the next big teacher with the edge on the super secret special truth.

Christians

Imagine that you're a fresh new believer for a moment. You've just entered a relationship with God by way of faith in Christ. You're putting your stock in Him for your salvation and you are aware that you confess that you are a sinner. You've been told about God's grace towards sinners and that He will work with you in repentance. You're aware that there you have so much to learn about this God that you've just recently decided to give your life to. You start reading your Bible because your soul is hungry for the word of God. You're looking at the life of this Jesus and you're resolute to submit your life to the ways of this Man. You attend a church where there is outreach to the homeless. There is outreach to the prisons that are bringing the word of God to those behind bars. There are food bank ministries that are feeding the hungry. You notice that they are getting school supplies and backpacks for single mothers that are struggling when back to school rolls around. You see them baptizing people. You note that they are taking care of the widows too. These groups of people are doing all of this out of the love that they have for each other and as a extension of the love that God has for them.
The more you read that Bible the more you see these things as being pivotal elements commanded by God.

Now imagine for a moment that you are still that same believer and someone begins to dogmatically and emphatically tell you that you're serving a false god because you attend a fellowship on a specific day of the week. They tell you that you're not part of the Body of Christ because you've yet to understand the full details of living like Him. They begin to tell you that you're following a false Savior because you call Him by the wrong name. They tell you that you need to be re-baptized. They tell you that you are not saved by works in one breath, but in the next breath they tell you that you're not saved because you've yet to adhere to all the works.  As your heart is to worship and learn this person with a hostile demeanor, begins to espouse that NASA is engaged in a conspiracy to hide the truth shape of the earth. As you're reading parables of the seeds that fall in the soil and the vines come and choke them out, this person is insisting that you read texts not in the Bible for sensational knowledge that is not rooted in the Messiah. As you are searching your heart and trying to remove the plank in your own eyes that you may help remove the speck in your brothers, This hostile person is obsessing over you and all the commands of God that you're not currently engaged in.


This is an issue that comes up all the time. A messianic person comes into, and I need to stress this, a DEEPER understanding in their walk with God... and they become jaded, demonizing any that don't immediately take to their understanding as part of some sinister papal plot. Just the other day I had asked someone if I since I called on Jesus for my salvation if I needed to get re-saved. I was disheartened that their answer was yes. They asked me "were you keeping the commands of God". Here's the thing on that, the answer is yes, I was, and so many of our brothers and sisters in the church are too. Was I keeping all of the commands? I didn't know all the commands yet to keep them! That is the same position that many of our brothers and sisters in the church are in. I personally feel as though this comes up every year, so here are some of the same points again:

Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” - Acts 15

Do you see where this is going? 

But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.”- Acts 15

There are those that stated then, Just as they do today, that these new converts must be circumcised and followed all the commands of God in order to be saved.  Now I know I'm about to lose some of my Messianic friends who might stop listening to what I am saying and start filling their mind with what they think I'm saying. No, I am not saying anything against the commands of God. No I am not diminishing the role of them in the life of the believer. Yes I believe that once we are saved we are to walk in obedience and repentance which is a life patterned after the Messiah. that being said, the point is...

Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?  But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.”...

 Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,  but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.  For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”- Acts 15

... that the response from the Council was that there were four STARTER guidelines for new believers to adhere to so that they could begin to grow and learn the rest of the commands. They didn't say that these people aren't saved because they're not as knowledgeable or walking perfectly as they were in their more advanced years in the faith.

I'm arguing against the idea that a sapling that has yet to mature and bear the fullness of fruit is to be condemned because it isn't looking like the other trees in the harvest. That brings me to other parables.

And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt:  “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.  The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.  I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.’  But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, the sinner!’  I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.” - Luke 18

 Avoiding adultery, paying tithes, fasting twice a week, these are righteous deeds. They are commanded things. Yet, in boasting of ones obedience with a heart of self righteousness is pride, especially when you're using your outlook to demonize the ones that are at the foot of the Savior confessing their sins with a humble heart.  Again, I am not excusing those that have learned and understand what a sin is and have chosen to ignore it. I am by no means whitewashing eating swine's flesh which is stated is an abomination, or encouraging the violation of the Sabbath. These things are sins. However attending a service on sunday isn't wrong, its just not the Sabbath. It doesn't mean that you're worshipping the sun, it just means that you're meeting on a day that isn't the Sabbath. Do people not realize how many they are repelling from the truth with these types of antics? I've been in this walk for 16 years and as a seasoned veteran of navigating Messianic pitfalls, its made me want to hang my head more times than a few. Why would you having been freed from sins that held you, beat down  your fellow brothers and sisters with such hostilities instead of exercising the patience and grace afforded to you by God as the Holy Spirit nurtured you up in the faith?

“For this reason the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his slaves. When he had begun to settle them, one who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him.  But since he did not have the means to repay, his lord commanded him to be sold, along with his wife and children and all that he had, and repayment to be made.  So the slave fell to the ground and prostrated himself before him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you everything.’ And the lord of that slave felt compassion and released him and forgave him the debt. But that slave went out and found one of his fellow slaves who owed him a hundred denarii; and he seized him and began to choke him, saying, ‘Pay back what you owe.’ So his fellow slave fell to the ground and began to plead with him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you.’ But he was unwilling and went and threw him in prison until he should pay back what was owed. So when his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were deeply grieved and came and reported to their lord all that had happened. Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’  And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him.  My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”- Matt 18

We were indebted to the Messiah before we came to faith, same as they were. We pleaded with our Savior for mercy just as they do. Now that we've gained a kernel of understanding, it is to our shame that we would go and treat harshly others and not extend the mercy God has shown us for those who might hear the truth? Can they even hear it over our anger and the side show topics that we bring into faith?

At that time the disciples came to Jesus and said, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2 And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, 3 and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me; 6 but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.- Matt 18

We as believers should not be so consumed with thinking that we are the greatest in the kingdom of heaven, when we should be humbling ourselves and focusing on the Father.

Know your Messianics

James -Spends a lot of time reading online and arguing with memes on facebook posts.

-Will probably hurt your feelings by insulting a doctrine you hold without realizing you hold it

- Will probably hurt your feelings by insulting a doctrine you hold once realizing that you hold it.

- Awkward beard

Brandon
-Begs for money but refuses to get a job, constantly complains about finances
-Asks for money for dream interpretations and gets them wrong
- Names his kids after random Hebrew words like Halecha or Mishpacha
-Hits on married women

Andre -Is the only one from the community that shows up to help you move
-Is a loud talker
- Is never more than 6 inches away from something that he can kill you with if he needed to.
-Drinks an entire bottle of Vodka on his own the first night of sukkot

Karen-Has 4 to 7 kids minimum
-Has more essential oils than a full fledged alchemist
- Excessive tambornining
-Filters discussions through the Talmud

Trevor -Has a fear of geometric shapes and sees all triangles as symbols of the illuminati
-Turns regular sentences into raps for absolutely no reason.
-Attributes EVERY common sense thought to Divine inspiration by The Ruach Ha Kodesh
- Will derail almost every Bible study with some anecdote that has 2% or less of relevance.

Marcus- Is obsessed with astronomy and red blood moons

- Pretends to be too important to socialize at Oneg with anyone not considered a pillar of the community

- Has exclusive line of servants caps or kangol hats

- Will start a conversation by referencing something that only he has studied out but still expects you to understand, but will leave once he realizes you don't understand it.

Derick
-Is the one of the few in the teaching rotation that makes direct connections in the Torah with the Messiah with the emphasis on the Messiah
- Is happy to serve, but it results in picking up far more than his share of the slack
-Gives actual real life helpful advice instead of sound bites or cliché quips
-Genuinely asks how you're doing and makes time to listen to your response

Mitzi- Smiles and acts outrageously friendly
- Spreads gossip in the name of letting people know how to pray for you
-Says she's a Pacifist when what she really means is that she's Passive Aggressive
- Puts raisins in every dish she brings to oneg, regardless of whether they belong there or not

Lanna
- Has chickens

-Will take extra steps to work her specific take on how the Name is pronounced into conversation as much as she is able

- Lectures you on how Monsanto is poisoning you if she sees you drinking a coke

- Most likely showers with headscarf on

Greg- Cant stop himself from adding discredited books to the text

- Filters his understanding of the rest of scripture through discredited texts

- Promotes Youtube teachers that ignore scriptures in favor of pushing "This deep and special knowledge"

- Is certain that the earth is flat

Rod
-Wears a fanny pack and socks with sandals
- Has a vendetta against Chick-Fil-A for no comprehendible reason, but often mutters about the rothschilds and central banking
- Vaguely racist
- Shouldn't be allowed to speak, but usually finds the microphone anyway

Brenda
-Always brings the best tasting food to Oneg and has never caused food poisoning
- Gets mad at you if she has to repeat herself more than twice because you have difficulty understanding her thick accent
-Makes her own soaps and candles
- Tries to match make everyone in the community

The Book of the Wars of the Lord

The Book of Wars of the Lord.


"In the year like 9000 B.C., The Lord called forth William Wallace from Waheb in Suphah, who lead an uprising against the cruel Todd of wadis of the Arnon, And the slope of the wadis That extends to the site of Ar, And leans to the border of Moab.”, who wishes to inherit the crown of Waheb in Suphah for himself. When he was a young boy, William Wallace's father and brother, along with many others, lost their lives trying to free Waheb in Suphah. Once he loses another of his loved ones, William Wallace begins his long quest to make Waheb in Suphah free once and for all, along with the assistance of Robert the Bruce. William Wallace yelled freedom and that there will be wars and rumors of wars. Thus concludes The Book of Wars of the Lord"

There it is. You've now read The Book of Wars of the Lord. It MUST be the long lost Book of Wars of the Lord. IT Just HAS to be authentic. Why? Because I said so. If you disagree, it MUST be because you're denying scripture as Numbers CLEARLY is referencing this text see:

Numbers 21:14-15

Therefore it is said in the Book of the Wars of the Lord,
“Waheb in Suphah,
And the wadis of the Arnon,
15 And the slope of the wadis
That extends to the site of Ar,
And leans to the border of Moab.”

There you have it. The Book of Wars of the Lord is 100% Authentic. This here proves it. It mentions "“Waheb in Suphah, And the wadis of the Arnon, And the slope of the wadis That extends to the site of Ar, And leans to the border of Moab" EXACTLY like Numbers does, so OBVIOUSLY  NUMBERS felt it important to quote it as authoritative. Plus you can clearly see that The Messiah quoted from it:

 Matt 24:6 You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end.

So, you know, Yeshua CLEARLY believed that William Wallace was a prophet of God and that HE here is vouching for this text AS if it were scripture itself. NOW I'm sure that it was the Catholics or the Mormons that removed it from the Bible ... for some reason... probably because they don't want you rising up against the race of lizard people using gay bombs on the tap water. Now if you're trying to tell me that this is NOT the authentic Book of Wars of the Lord mentioned in scripture because this is only a paragraph ripped right from the IMDB of Braveheart with lines spliced in from Numbers, then you must be mistaken because at the time Numbers was written IMDB didn't exist.
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Why does this post exist? This post was written expressly to highlight that there is a faction of people that are holding to the heretical book of Enoch and elevating it to the point of scripture, Many going so far as filtering their understandings of the scriptures themselves through the false books.
Many of these people go so far to justify what is at its core, adding and taking away from the word of God ( wittingly or not) by suggesting that Scripture points to the book we know as Enoch. By saying that Jude is quoting Enoch, and then citing a false book that was written years apart merely because they have similarity does not equal authenticity(also the "cited" text isnt even a whole verse).  Just because I say that the Savior and William Wallace both say that there will be wars and rumors of wars does not mean that A) William Wallace ever said that, and B) that even if he had, that the Messiah was referencing it to give it merit instead of stating an independent truth.

119 Ministries does an excellent job on this topic and points out that though Paul used a pagan poem about zeus to convey a Biblical concept, that in NO means canonizes the Pagan poem cited.
For more examples of Bad Logic, click this link


***Warning, this post is not a doctrine but an illustration of a faulty reasoning and should only be used as such****

Tyler Sposite's breakdown of Sons of God

by Tyler Sposite

I've been doing alot of study on the topic of "Satan" and "fallen angels" in scripture, and want to publish my findings for others to consider. I've decided to break this down into a series of write-ups, since there are multiple facets to this topic, and really alot of bases to cover. So, with that being said, we're going to start with examining who the "Sons of God" are in Genesis 6 and Job 1-2, & 38. This is because of the fact that the primary basis for the doctrine of "fallen angels" is founded upon Genesis 6 and the premise that Angels are sons of God.

For the sake of transparency, I will state at the beginning that I do not believe that the 'sons of God' in Genesis 6 or in the book of Job are Angels. This viewpoint has typically been labeled the "Sethite" view. I'm sure that most of my readers are familiar with the controversy over the proper interpretation of this passage and are therefore familiar with both proposed interpretations. However, I'm writing this firstly for those who might not be familiar with the issue, or who are undecided on how to understand it, and secondly for the sake of publicly and officially stating my own view on the subject, as a basis for the rest of the articles that will be written in this series.

What I intend to show here is both that, not only is there no basis for concluding that angels are the sons of God in Genesis chapter 6, but also to show that the concept of God's covenant children intermarrying with those outside of covenant is actually a common theme in the Tanakh, and this passage is simply the first reference to it.

So then, let's take a look at this text:

Genesis 6:1-8 KJV And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (2) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. (3) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. (4) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (5) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (6) And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. (7) And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. (8) But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

The objections to the "fallen angel" interpretation are rather simple and straightforward, they are the following:

1. The word MaLaK (Angel/Messenger) is never used in Genesis chapter 6

The first problem with suggesting that the sons of God in this passage are angelic beings is that angels are never actually mentioned anywhere in the text. This is a very basic point, but one well worth considering, because this means that the context must then establish who or what the 'sons of God' are; given the fact that Angels are never actually mentioned, it seems like a mere assertion to claim that they must be Angels by default

2. The text consistently shows God's anger towards MAN

The next issue is that, right after we are told about the 'sons of God' marrying the 'daughters of men' in verses 1-2, verse 3 shows that God is grieved with mankind over this event:

Genesis 6:3 KJV And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

The word used for "man" in this chapter is ADAM, denoting human beings. Everytime the word "man" or "men" appears in Genesis with reference to Angels the author uses the word IYSH (denoting a male figure). Thus the immediate context strongly suggests that it was human beings who were involved in the event, rather than angels and humans. This is strengthened by the fact that all throughout the rest of the passage, we continuously see God being angry with MAN, and MAN's sin being great upon the earth, etc. etc. It is always ADAM that is mentioned within the text as being at fault.

3. Verse 4 plainly says that there were giants upon the earth BEFORE the sons of God married the daughters of men

Verse 4 says:

Genesis 6:4 KJV There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

This might be the most overlooked verse in this entire debate, in this writer's opinion; look very carefully at what this verse says, it says:

1. There were giants in the earth in those days

“those” is a pronoun, and requires an antecedent, what is the antecedent within the context? Clearly it refers back to verse 1 where we read about mankind multiplying upon the earth, and then verse 4 goes on to say:

2. and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them...

Notice, the text says "also AFTER that, WHEN the sons of God came in...", which is described in verse 2; so the text actually tells us that there were "giants" on the earth BEFORE the sons of God married the daughters of men. This poses a very obvious problem for the "fallen angel" interpretation, for under this viewpoint, the "giants" are supposed to have been a hybrid breed of angels and humans, yet Moses clearly intimates for us that this "giants" were on earth prior to such an event taking place!

Having provided these three basic points of argumentation, I would like to expound upon some other parts of the passage which are worthy of comment. Regarding the word "giants", this term has been variously understood by commentators. The word "Nephilim" comes from the word "NaPhaL" meaning literally "to fall", and has been understood by some as having reference to these men being "fallen" in the sense of Apostasizing (similar to how the "fallen angel" proponents understand the word); others have interpreted it as referring to men who would "fall upon" others, in the sense of attacking and oppressing them. From this interpretation we derive the definition of "bully" or "tyrant". The translation of "giants" seems to come from the Greek translation of Genesis 6:4, which actually uses the word γιγαντες, literally meaning "earth-born". The only other time the Hebrew word occurs is in Numbers 13:33, and based upon it's usage there, it could denote men of large stature, or fierce/mighty men. The English translation "giant" can encompass both or either/or. In any case, though, neither of these interpretations of the word require any sense of these "giants" having been the product of angels and human beings.

Another thing to address is the term "sons of God" itself. Many people opposed to the Sethite view will often make the claim that if the "Sons of God" here are regenerate believers, then it seems improper for the author to refer to them as "sons of God" if they were apostasizing from the faith by marrying unbelievers. While it is true that the term "sons of God" and "children of God" are often used in scripture, particularly in the Apostolic writings (NT), to refer to saved and regenerate persons, the term also seems to be applied in a more general sense to God's covenant people as a whole, which can consist of saved and unsaved persons. For instance, in Exodus chapter 4, the nation of Israel is collectively referred to as God's "son":

Exodus 4:22-23 KJV And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: (23) And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

Clearly this has reference to Israel's covenant obligation to worship YHVH due to the covenant which he had made with their fathers. We find something similar in the book of Deuteronomy:

Deuteronomy 14:1 KJV Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.

This scripture refers to the covenant community as a whole as the "children of the LORD", I'm not aware of anyone who would claim that every single Israelite amongst them was a regenerate individual.

Likewise in Psalm 82, when God is condemning the corrupt judges of Israel, he calls them "sons of God", but in the context they are clearly not regenerate nor saved individuals. Thus, we can see, that the term "sons of God" can be used simply to refer to members within the covenant community, without reference to individual regeneration.

The other thing that I want to show (as stated at the beginning) is that Genesis 6 is simply the first in a number of instances in scripture where God's covenant children apostasize due to intermarriage with unbelievers. We find this happening again in the book of Numbers:

Numbers 25:1-3 KJV And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. (2) And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. (3) And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.

 

We see in this passage the exact same thing happening as in Genesis chapter 6, God's covenant people are joining themselves to those outside of the covenant community and are apostasizing as a result. God also forbade Israel from marrying specific Canaanite nations for this very reason:

Deuteronomy 7:1-4 KJV When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; (2) And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: (3) Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. (4) For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.

This is the exact thing that happened to Solomon, who is another example of what we're talking about:

1 Kings 11:1-4 KJV But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites; (2) Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love. (3) And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart. (4) For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.

 

The same thing happened again when Israel returned from exile:

 

Ezra 9:1-2 KJV Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites. (2) For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass.

 

Thus we see this pattern throughout the scriptures, God's people always being tempted to be led astray by unbelievers, mixing truth with a lie, belief with unbelief, etc. etc. This understanding of Genesis chapter 6 perfectly accords with this common theme.

 

In summary, what we see in Genesis chapter 6 is God's covenant people intermarrying with unbelievers; there was violence and tyranny in the earth during this time; God is grieved and angry with mankind as a result of their sin and apostasy, and decides to punish them for it; one man, however, amongst mankind, is found faithful to God, namely Noah.

 

There is simply nothing within the text of Genesis 6 which even hints at Angels reproducing with human women. Such an idea is contextually and exegetically indefensible. The only other hint that the Book of Genesis gives us is the fact that there were men from Seth's line who were "calling upon the name of YHVH" in Genesis 4:26. It's really not that difficult, based upon this, and the other evidence already provided, to suppose that these are humans being spoken of in Genesis 6.

The sons of God in the book of Job

 

The next set of verses to address are those found within the book of Job. We will begin by looking at the verses in chapters 1 & 2 which mention the sons of God:

Job 1:6 KJV Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

We are again told in chapter 2:

Job 2:1 KJV Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

The contention is that Job 1 & 2 are presenting a scene in heaven amongst God's heavenly counsel, called the "sons of God". The reasons for this supposition will be addressed below:

1. The sons of God are said to present themselves before YHVH

This argument is a rather simple one. The sons of God are said to be before the LORD, therefore they are in heaven, and therefore they are angels. In response to this argument, I offer two points:

1. The term 'sons of God' is uniformly applied to human beings in scripture. This was already touched upon in our previous study on Genesis 6, however there are several other passages which could be given, in both the Old and New Testaments, to prove this. Even those who promote the 'fallen angel' doctrine will agree with this point

2. Not only are human beings referred to as sons of God, but human beings are frequently said to appear before, stand before, and be in the presence of YHVH. Here are some examples, accompanied with explanations as to what it means to be before the LORD:

Exodus 23:16-17 KJV And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field. (17) Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD.

And again:

Exodus 34:24 KJV For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year.

Deuteronomy 31:10-11 KJV And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles, (11) When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

Psalms 84:4-7 KJV Blessed are they that dwell in thy house: they will be still praising thee. Selah. (5) Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. (6) Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. (7) They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appeareth before God.

What do all of these passages have in common? They all show that "appearing before the LORD" signifies a time when the people of God are to gather together in worship and religious service. The word used in all of these passages is ra'ah, and in it's Niphal form properly means "to appear" or "to present oneself". The word used in the verses in Job is yatsab and means the same thing; we also have verses in scripture which use this same word in reference to human beings:

Joshua 24:1 KJV And Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem, and called for the elders of Israel, and for their heads, and for their judges, and for their officers; and they presented themselves before God.

1 Samuel 10:19 KJV And ye have this day rejected your God, who himself saved you out of all your adversities and your tribulations; and ye have said unto him, Nay, but set a king over us. Now therefore present yourselves before the LORD by your tribes, and by your thousands.

In Joshua 24, the purpose of the Israelites gathering together was to make a covenant agreement that they would exclusively worship YHVH; the purpose of them gathering before YHVH in 1 Samuel 10 was to determine who should be their king. Thus we can see that to "stand before" or "present oneself" before YHVH in scripture means to gather together for worship, to serve, to make a covenant, or to discuss, perform, or determine any other divine matters relating to the true God and his service.

With all of these examples from scripture, then, we can clearly see that there is nothing at all strange about understanding the sons of God presenting themselves before YHVH as human beings gathered together in his service. There is, however, some more interesting detail on this point which is worth noting. This will be talked about more in the next point.

2. The text says that Satan was amongst the sons of God

We further read in the text that "Satan" (the adversary) also came to present himself before the LORD:

Job 2:1 KJV Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Now, this next point has some overlap with the response which is to be given to the next argument, namely, that because "Satan" is said to have been there amongst the sons of God, that surely this must necessitate that they were not human beings, on the supposition that "Satan" in this text is a supernatural entity. To this I offer the following considerations:

Firstly, as pointed out previously, notice that the text says "Satan" ALSO came to present himself before YHVH. What this clearly suggests, given the clear usage of the language elsewhere in scripture, as demonstrated above, is that this "Satan" was also assembled for public service. Even if we were to grant that this was describing an assembly of angels, this would still clearly be the case. And while I grant that it is certainly possible for an angel to be present amongst an assembly of believers, the fact is that the word "satan" simply means "adversary", and the text of Job in point of fact does NOT actually identify who "Satan" is in this text. Thus, it could be understood of an Angel amongst the sons of God, or of a fellow human being. Given the fact that this "adversary" is also amongst the sons of God to present himself before the LORD, I would submit that this was probably the latter.

Secondly, consider what the text says of "Satan":

Job 1:12 KJV And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

Genesis 4:16 KJV And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

Even the language of "going out from the presence of the LORD" is used of human beings in scripture. The same words are used in each case in the Hebrew text as well.

So then, as we can see, there is nothing within the language used which inherently requires us to take the position that the "sons of God" or "Satan" are angelic beings, in fact given the clear scriptural information presented, we have plenty of reason for thinking that these are NOT angelic or supernatural beings at all, but rather humans. Once again, however, even if Satan is a supernatural being in this text, it still doesn't follow from this that the 'sons of God' are not human beings, since an Angel can still be amongst an assembly of humans.

3. The sons of God are said to have been present at creation

The next verse for us to consider is Job 38:7:

Job 38:7 KJV When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

It is rather obvious what the contention is, namely, that God here says that the 'sons of God' were present during the time of creation, the Angels were present at creation, therefore the Angels are sons of God. However, to begin with, let us point out that the one speaking here is God, not the author of the book of Job. The reasoning for pointing this out is that just because the same phrase is used by the author at the beginning of the book, does not mean that the creator himself, when speaking to Job, can't be using it differently. The next observation to point out, is that the context shows God questioning Job about the creation:

Job 38:4-6 KJV Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. (5) Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? (6) Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Next, notice also that it is specifically the stars which are referred to as the sons of God in this text, and we are told that the stars shouted together and sang for joy. Someone may object at this point, that the fact that the creator says the stars 'shouted' and 'sang' surely indicates that persons are intended; to which I respond, that this does not follow at all, for one would first have to presuppose that "morning stars" refer to "angels", and then read that supposition back into the verse, in which case said person would be engaging in circular reasoning. Secondly, that when dealing with wisdom literature, it is not at all uncommon to come across poetic or figurative language, and in fact to any unbiased reader, if they see "morning stars" called God's "sons", and read that they "shouted" and "sang", the natural impression would surely be that the speaker is using poetic language. On top of that, however, we can offer other examples from scripture, where the authors say nearly the exact same thing, as the verse in question does, for instance:

Psalms 19:1-5 KJV To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. (2) Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. (3) There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. (4) Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, (5) Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

David here speaks of Day and Night speaking and uttering their voice, he also compares the sun to a bridegroom rejoicing

Psalms 148:1-4 KJV Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights. (2) Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts. (3) Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light. (4) Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

This text is especially significant because it explicitly distinguishes between the angels of God and the stars of light, David commands the sun and moon to praise God, and the stars to do likewise

So then, it is not unusual at all, for a writer to speak figuratively of the heavenly bodies shouting or singing, let alone God himself, who created them to begin with! As to the stars being called God's "sons", this is easily accounted for via the following scripture:

James 1:17 KJV Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

God is called the Father of lights, I wonder where James got the idea for this phrase? Perhaps Job 38:7!

The Bible explicitly says that Angels are not sons of God

Now that we have dealt with the verses in Genesis 6 and Job 1, 2, and 38, I want to make one last argument showing definitively that Angels cannot be the sons of God in these passages. My argument is based upon the following scripture:

Hebrews 1:4-6 KJV Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. (5) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? (6) And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

The author of Hebrews expressly says that God never called any Angel his son. The primary response that I've heard given to this verse (and the one which I used to give when I believed in the 'fallen angel' doctrine) is that this is only referring to the specific prophecies that are being quoted from. However, this misses the entire point that the author is making. The author is establishing Christ's superiority over all of God's creation, including the Angels, on the basis that he is God's unique Son who had inherited his Father's works. This is what chapters 1-2 explicitly deal with. The whole point of him quoting those verses is to show that it is Christ, NOT the angels, who is a "son" in relation to God. We are also counted as "sons" which is why Jesus is called the "firstborn" (Hebrews 1:6) and why we are called his "brethren" (Hebrews 2:11-12; 17).

So, along with all of the points made earlier, this passage of scripture should seal the deal. The Bible plainly states that no Angelic being was ever called God's son, and never had that relationship to God, and I have demonstrated that the two places in the Bible which are used to prove that they are sons of God do not require us to come to that conclusion at all. I hope that this has helped someone better understand the issue, as well as the reason why I can no longer accept this doctrine on the basis of Scripture.