Flat Tops- Dissecting Flat Earth Meme (Row B)

 

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EARTH HAS A FACE ( A GEOMETRICAL FLAT SURFACE)

Genesis 1:29, 4:14, 6:1, 6:7, 7:3-4, 8:5,11:8, 11:9, 41:56, Exodus 32:12, 33:16, Numbers 12:3, Deuteronomy 6:15, 7:6,  1 Samuel 20:15, 1 Kings 13:34, Job 37:12, Psalm104:30, Jeremiah 25:26, 28:16, Ezekiel 34:6, 38:20, 39:14, Amos 9:5-6, Zechariah 5:3

Okay lets set em up by book and knock em down.

• Genesis 1:29, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you" The fact that trees protrude from the ground and mountains exist in of itself means that the SURFACE is not flat, I doubt any of these verse say anything about what the header implies "a geometrically flat surface"
• 4:14,  Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and from Your face I will be hidden, and I will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”   If he was literally driven away from the ground does that mean he went to live in space? No, he was driven away from that specific land. How does land having a surface mean anything in regard to the shape of the earth? Saying I have skin doesn't tell you how big my waist is or what color I am.
•  6:1, "Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them" There ya have it folks, fold up shop I was wrong... this here says dudes started boinkin so that means the earth is flat.... #Sarcasm. It figures that the larger portions of text are not actually relevant.
•  6:7, The Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.”  Again, Unless he shot dudes into space and each space dude yelled back "OH HEY LOOK AT THAT, THE EARTH IS ACTUALLY SHAPED LIKE A DOUBLE STUFFED OREO COOKIE"  this has no bearing on the subject.
•  7:3-4, " also of the birds of the sky, by sevens, male and female, to keep offspring alive on the face of all the earth. ⁴ For after seven more days, I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will blot out from the face of the land every living thing that I have made.” " Yes we concede that the face of the earth is the surface that you see and not, say, the molten magma core.
•  8:5,"The water decreased steadily until the tenth month; in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the mountains became visible." Quite interesting that they opted to put this verse in seeing as how that means that the earth isn't a Geometric flat surface as the top of the mountain sticks out way more than the valley. This verse undermines the rest of the list
• 11:8,"So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city. " Earth got acne, it happens. Doesn't mean that its a geometric flat manhole cover.
•  11:9, "Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of the whole earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of the whole earth." Ah, I don't speak Mandarin so the earth must be the shape of a grape once its stepped on. That doesn't make any sense.
•  41:56 "When the famine was spread over all the face of the earth, then Joseph opened all the storehouses, and sold to the Egyptians; and the famine was severe in the land of Egypt." NOTHING. TO . DO. WITH . THE .SHAPE. OF. THE. EARTH.
• Exodus 32:12, 33:16,             Same stuff as above
• Numbers 12:3,                        Same stuff as above
•  Deuteronomy 6:15, 7:6,         Same stuff as above
•  1 Samuel 20:15,                     Same stuff as above
•  1 Kings 13:34,                        Same stuff as above
• Job 37:12,                                Same stuff as above
•  Psalm104:30,                          Same stuff as above
• Jeremiah 25:26, 28:16,            Same stuff as above
•  Ezekiel 34:6, 38:20, 39:14,    Same stuff as above
•  Amos 9:5-6,                           Same stuff as above
•  Zechariah 5:3                       Just keep going the same way.... I think they're trying to say that the face of the earth is like the top... and that ... everything is on the face...  I'm not sure.  But anyway here is what face means from this verse
  face
  1. face, faces
  2. presence, person
  3. face (of seraphim or cherubim)
  4. face (of animals)
  5. face, surface (of ground)
  6. as adv of loc/temp
     1. before and behind, toward, in front of, forward, formerly, from beforetime, before
  7. with prep
     1. in front of, before, to the front of, in the presence of, in the face of, at the face or front of, from the presence of, from before, from before the face of

WATERS HAVE A FACE  (A GEOMETRIC FLAT SURFACE)
Gen 1:2, Gen 7:18, Job 38:30

Let me start off and tell you that there is such a thing as surface tension. That means that water has a surface, and it is moveable and sticks to things until something breaks that surface tension

Waters have a face here. I'm curious as to if that has any bearing on the shape of the earth.

• Gen 1:2, "The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. " That actually does mention the shape of the earth as not existing. This is one of the first actually relevant  verses you've shared. Good job! It is contrary to the case you're trying to make, but... you did a thing! yay!
• Gen 7:18, "The water prevailed and increased greatly upon the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. " Much like the paperclip in above video... still not showing the shape of the earth.
• Job 38:30 "Water becomes hard like stone, And the surface of the deep is imprisoned." Congratulations, you've discovered the Biblical verse for "Ice".  For some of you. you like to make the case "How come the word circle was uses instead of the word ball or sphere or whatever"  Well, because it wasn't. In this verse, the writer states water became hard like stone. Why didn't he say Ice, the word ice is used in the previous verse “From whose womb has come the ice? And the frost of heaven, who has given it birth?" He didn't say Ice because...He didn't say Ice. Furthermore, there's that verse again... If we're to take things literally where is ol ice womb?

 

EARTH HAS ENDS (who's arguing that it doesn't. It doesn't extend into space forever)

Deuteronomy 20:49,28:64, 33:17, 1 Samuel 2:10, Job 37:3,38:13, Psalms 46:9, 48:10,59:13,61:2, 65:5,67:7,72:8,98:3,135:7, Proverbs 30:4, 17:24, Isaiah 5:26, 26:15, 40:28, 41:5,41:9, 42:10, 43:6 , 45:22, 48:20, 49:6, 52:10, Jeremiah 25:31,10:13,16:19, 25:33,51:16, Daniel 4:22, Micah 5:4, Zechariah 9:10, acts 13:47 ( lotta turds in this bowl, see what flushes out)  

 

 

• Deuteronomy 20:49... Let me just look that up here... Deuteronomy 20..... 18, 19,20... THERE IS NO DEUTERONOMY 20:49!!!!!! THAT IS THE SECOND ONE ON THE LIST THAT DOESNT EXIST!!!!!
  Deut 28:64 , "Moreover, the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth; and there you shall serve other gods, wood and stone, which you or your fathers have not known"  If we are to take the idea that everything that is the face of the earth is the top of some disc, then when scattered from one end [top] to the other [bottom] then that means that people are on the underside/dark side of the earth.
  Deut 33:17 “As the firstborn of his ox, majesty is his, And his horns are the horns of the wild ox; With them he will push the peoples, All at once, to the ends of the earth. And those are the ten thousands of Ephraim, And those are the thousands of Manasseh.” So either its a figure of speech or are they actually going to push people to the literal edge of the earth? Seems like its going to take a lot of wheelbarrows because I can imagine that some of the people you're pushing aren't going to co-operate. Maybe get some of those couch coasters so that they glide with ease. The phrase ends of the earth is an idiom for "furthest reach of man's dominion" If I were to say that I'll go to the end of the earth for someone I love, I am not saying that I'm going to the edge of the planet, I'm saying that I'll do everything within my power to achieve something.
•  1 Samuel 2:10, “Those who contend with the Lord will be shattered; Against them He will thunder in the heavens, The Lord will judge the ends of the earth; And He will give strength to His king, And will exalt the horn of His anointed.”
  Again, ends of the earth is an idiom for mans efforts, hence the context of this very verse is that he will shatter those who contend with Him.
• Job 37:3,“Under the whole heaven He lets it loose, And His lightning to the ends of the earth."  Again, using imagery here, unless you think in verse one where it says “At this also my heart trembles, And leaps from its place." That the dudes heart leapt up like a full high jumper out of the body and just like started doing hand sprints around the room.
  Job 38:13"That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it" In the context God is rebuking Job, but lets set that aside for the main point... Earth has dimensional space. My waist has dimensional space. Someone could theoretically (I don't advise it, if you touch me I'll hurt you) grab the edge of me by putting their hands on my hips. Does this mean that I am flat, or my waist is flat? No it doesn't.
•  Psalms 46:9, - "He makes wars to cease to the end of the earth; He breaks the bow and cuts the spear in two; He burns the chariots with fire." Start to finish does not dictate the shape of the earth.
  48:10,- "As is Your name, O God, So is Your praise to the ends of the earth; Your right hand is full of righteousness." Praising God until the end of time does not speak to the shape of the earth
  59:13,- "Destroy them in wrath, destroy them that they may be no more; That men may know that God rules in Jacob To the ends of the earth. Selah." God judging everyone at the end does not  dictate the shape of the earth
  61:2,- "From the end of the earth I call to You when my heart is faint; Lead me to the rock that is higher than I." End here is to mean at the end of a period of time, not a geographic location.
  65:5,- "By awesome deeds You answer us in righteousness, O God of our salvation, You who are the trust of all the ends of the earth and of the farthest sea"  Saying that the earth has ends, like again, top and bottom, isn't speaking to shape only vague dimensions. We know that the earth doesn't extend to the moon, or we cant jump on mars from our house... because the earth has ends... that does not mean that the earth is flat.
  67:7,- "God blesses us,That all the ends of the earth may fear Him."  do you believe that in verse one of this chapter that God's face literally reflects light as the sun? "God be gracious to us and bless us, And cause His face to shine upon us" or is that an idiom for God's favor?
  72:8,- "May he also rule from sea to sea And from the River to the ends of the earth." yes, all over the Globe...
  98:3,- "He has remembered His lovingkindness and His faithfulness to the house of Israel;
  All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God." As in everyone will see it, not the edges of the earth are looking at the salvation of God. Why would it be telling a story about some rocks and dirt looking at the salvation of God? How many times have you watched the never ending story? The rock biter is not a Biblical character, even if you staple some book of Enoch stuff in there.
  135:7,- He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth; Who makes lightnings for the rain, Who brings forth the wind from His treasuries"  Again, the top of the earth. I've seen fog and mist rise from the ground into the air. It rose out of the ground, the ground that stopped at foot level, the ground that did not extend over me into space. None of these have made a case for a ice cream sandwich shaped disc earth shape.
•  Proverbs 30:4, "Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His son's name? Surely you know! " Ok so according to this, Water should be made of a garment right? if we are taking the imagery here as literal, then water should be made of clothes.
  17:24,- "Wisdom is in the presence of the one who has understanding, But the eyes of a fool are on the ends of the earth." So you mean to tell me that all of this talk on the edge of the earth and you included a scripture that calls you a fool for being focused on the edge of the earth? Do I even really need to give commentary on the fact that the Bible calls you dumb for focusing on that? ALTHOUGH, I think it means that the fool has his eyes on what they can achieve by their own hand.
•  Isaiah 5:26, - Same as above breakdown in Psalms
  26:15,- "You have increased the nation, O Lord,You have increased the nation, You are glorified;You have extended all the borders of the land." Whaaat, land boarders... hmmm how can we bastardize the text into molding in a preconceived notion of flat earth.... 
  40:28,- "Do you not know? Have you not heard? The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth Does not become weary or tired. His understanding is inscrutable" Your honor the prosecution stipulates that the scriptures use the phrase ends of the earth, but we object to the notion that this is in any way stating a shape of said earth.
  41:5,- "The coastlands have seen and are afraid; The ends of the earth tremble;They have drawn near and have come."... how did they do that if they can't move?
  41:9,- "You whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, And called from its remotest parts
  And said to you, ‘You are My servant, I have chosen you and not rejected you."  "end, extremity
  1. end
  2. from the whole of, from among (of what is included between extremities)
  This is saying that I have taken you from the 4 quarters of the world
  
  42:10,-Sing to the Lord a new song, Sing His praise from the end of the earth!You who go down to the sea, and all that is in it. You islands, and those who dwell on them."- See def. above
  43:6 - "“I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’And to the south, ‘Do not hold them back.’
  Bring My sons from afar And My daughters from the ends of the earth" Affirmation that he's speaking to the 4 directions and not literal edge pieces of a earth wafer
  45:22,- "“Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other." Same as above
  48:20,-  Go forth from Babylon! Flee from the Chaldeans! Declare with the sound of joyful shouting, proclaim this, Send it out to the end of the earth; Say, “The Lord has redeemed His servant Jacob.” - Again North South East West = ends of the earth
  49:6, - "He says, “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations
  So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”"  I haven't seen anyone pushing flat earth shining Moses off the mountain style.
  52:10, - "The Lord has bared His holy arm In the sight of all the nations,That all the ends of the earth may see The salvation of our God." If you go east and lower the altitude far as you go, it will eventually become west, same with northern slopes and southern slopes. This does not make the case for flatness of earth

• Jeremiah 25:31-   Not an earth shape
  10:13,-  "When He utters His voice, there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, And He causes the clouds to ascend from the end of the earth; He makes lightning for the rain, And brings out the wind from His storehouses." Firstly, Not an earth shape. Second.... do you also think wind is kept in a giant house/box just out of view? People will agree that all the rest of the planets are round because they can see them in telescopes, but they take exception with earth... and they would have to believe in literal storehouses of wind...
  16:19,-  Not an earth shape
  25:33,- Not an earth shape
  51:16, -  This says the exact same thing as 10:13 and is still not an earth shape, and still not an explanation of storehouse wind.
•  Daniel 4:22,... does anyone record in history ever that there was a dude that was a tree that ended world hunger? Because if you back up to verse 21, you can see that if we take this DREAM INTERPRETATION literally, then we have to conclude that the guy was tree that fed everyone and reached into space. "The tree that you saw, which became large and grew strong, whose height reached to the sky and was visible to all the earth ²¹ and whose foliage was beautiful and its fruit abundant, and in which was food for all, under which the beasts of the field dwelt and in whose branches the birds of the sky lodged— ²² it is you, O king; for you have become great and grown strong, and your majesty has become great and reached to the sky and your dominion to the end of the earth."
•  Micah 5:4, to the ends of the earth is not a shape!!!
• Zechariah 9:10, not a shape of the earth.
• Acts 13:47 "For so the Lord has commanded us, ‘I have placed You as a light for the Gentiles, That You may bring salvation to the end of the earth.’”  ... How come the word here isn't recording that each of these dudes faces lit up like the Bat Signal over Gotham city, since if we're toing to take the idiom of to the ends of the earth literal, then we must also take that they are literal lights, so tell me which disciples butts glowed in the dark like some majestic firefly? My guess if it were anyone it would be Barnabas, but that's just a guess... no wait, I guess NOBODY.

EARTH HAS CORNERS

Isaiah 11:12, Revelation 7:1

• Isaiah 11:12"And He will lift up a standard for the nations  And assemble the banished ones of Israel,  And will gather the dispersed of Judah From the four corners of the earth." Not literal corners, its an expression for the North, South, East, West.
•  Revelation 7:1 "After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree."  Revelation is the same book that says Yeshua shoots swords out of His mouth. you know what... I MIGHT listen to you on this one once you explain whatever this is:
  " The first creature was like a lion, and the second creature like a calf, and the third creature had a face like that of a man, and the fourth creature was like a flying eagle.  And the four living creatures, each one of them having six wings, are full of eyes around and within; and day and night they do not cease to say..."

FIRMAMENT/ DOME ( isn't that the thing that goes over the earth, not the shape of the earth itself?)

Genesis 1:14-18, 1:6-8, 1:20,7:11,8:2, Job37:18, Psalm 19:1, 150:1, Isaiah 40:22, Ezekiel 1:22-26, 10:1, Daniel 12:3
I'm going to call it first, that a dome over the earth does not effect the shape of the earth... For instance look at this :
 

You see that? Ya see how even under this that the earth can still be a globe? Even if there is a giant ice sheet at the beginning that held the water as part of the Canopy Theory suggests, that does not speak to the shape of the earth.


Lets look at Revelations again where it says:
After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things.”

Could this dome be a literal spiritual thing that is not seen or touched unless God wants it to be? What about the throneroom of God, where is that in whatever the flat earth version of NASA is? In the weird POG shaped flat earth with a cake plate over it firmament model, there is still nothing accounting for this Revelation doorway to Heaven, or a giant ladder that all the Angels go up and down on that is protruding from the earth.

Alright lets see what we got here...

•  Genesis 1:14-18, Lets see.... "lights in the expanse of the heavens " not an earth shape... "and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; " Nope not an earth shape... actually this isn't even mentioning a dome the way its supposed to... "He made the stars also.  God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness" Yep, nothing on earth shape or a giant dome over the earth. This scripture has no bearing here.  Let me show you something else
  
  
  You see how that separation of light, and dark over the earth... they.... they create a ... shape over the earth... kinda shape with like, a flat line and then... then like a half circle... almost like, say, a dome. I'm just sayin, that it is a dome, over the earth, without the earth being flat. Just sayin.

• Gen 1:6-8, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” ⁷ God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so. ⁸ God called the expanse heaven."

We have directions and we have labels but what we don't have... is a shape. Take a look at this picture, we have water that is separated from water, there is something separating waters above the flat surface of the table, from the water that is on the flat surface of the table.  Using the same descriptions in Gen 1:6-8, this doesn't paint the picture of a flat plate with water on the plate, just as it doesn't paint the picture of a glass with water in the glass. It doesn't speak to a shape, just waters above and below. Also, with a globe, you can still have water in the core and water in the surface...actually, click this link

• Gen 1:20,"Then God said, “Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens.”  Anyone who has ever seen a goldfish bowl can tell you that this verse doesn't mean anything in the realm of flat earthiness
• 7:11, "In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened. "  Going back to Jacobs ladder... Jacob made the statement that where he was sleeping was the gate to heaven... Is the gate to heaven in the desert where Jacob passed out, or are these real and in no way imagery gates in the sky? Was Jacob sleep flying? How does that gates of heaven thing fit with Revelation with the Angel being all "Pssst, cmon up here"  Are the gates up or are they not, are the flood gates above the regular gate.... or is this metaphoric word usage?
• 8:2 Floodgates of the sky being closed.... The heavens where the birds were just flying a few passages ago. Water being poured out from heaven, doesn't mean the earth is flat. especially if you ascribe to canopy theory that has a layer of ice all around the earth

•   Job37:18, "“Can you, with Him, spread out the skies, Strong as a molten mirror?" Imagery, and also... are you saying that the sky is capable of falling because it is a physical thing that is strong as a molten mirror? How do birds fly inside a molten mirror?  

•  Psalm 19:1, "The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands." That is not a shape of the earth. That isn't even a shape of a dome thing..?
  150:1, "Praise the Lord! Praise God in His sanctuary; Praise Him in His mighty expanse"  This still isn't a shape, of earth nor dome
•  Isaiah 40:22, "It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in." This is an actual shape of the earth verse, you did it!!! And that shape supports the idea of a globe!!! Circles don't have corners btw so you may be reading something wrong. Also, here's a thing on the curtain idea... a curtain is a flat blanket like thing over a window... but a tent is a 3 dimensional construct with things inside of it. So space, may be a free hanging "thing" but we all dwell in the "empty" space... as in space is a large area of black and stars and planets and not some cloth like thing draped over the Dixie plate of earth like a napkin.
•  Ezekiel 1:22-26, Again, nowhere in this text is there a shape of earth nor is there a shape of any dome like thing over the earth. In fact, it says something like an expanse.... as in it may not even be an expanse
  
  10:1, "Then I looked, and behold, in the expanse that was over the heads of the cherubim something like a sapphire stone, in appearance resembling a throne, appeared above them. " Still not a shape, of earth or dome. are thrones dome shaped?
•  Daniel 12:3 "Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. " Ok, heaven is expansive... and bright... that still isn't a shape of a dome nor is it the shape of earth.
  
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Questions4Pastors

Ask your pastor these questions, or just ask yourself these questions. If we are to worship God in Spirit and in truth, and Psalm 119:151 says God's commands/Law are truth, and Ezekiel 36:26-27 says the Spirit causes us to follow the Law, why do we assume that the Spirit is opposed to God's Law? Did the truth somehow become not the truth? .

Why did God have to tell Noah to not eat the animals but instead eat what the animals eat in Genesis 6:20-21 if they didn't eat animals before the flood? How did Cain and Abel know what and when to sacrifice, and God rejected Cain's offering? .

If we are not to follow the Law of God, why do you collect tithes that were supposed to go to the Levites? .If a mixed multitude came out of Egypt, and a mixed multitude was at Sinai, why do we say that that covenant was only for the Jews? If the Law of God was only for the Jews, why does God say over and over that the same Law was for Gentiles too? .

If the Holy Spirit wasn't given until Acts, why is it there in Genesis 1:2? .

If Jesus says that the greatest commands are to love God and love your neighbor, and he was quoting Deuteronomy 6:4-9 and Leviticus 19:18, is Jesus telling us to obey God's Law? .

Why does Joshua 8:33 call the gentile part of Israel if gentiles aren’t Israel? .

If Paul agrees with everything in the Law and the Prophets and still practices Christ-centered Judaism as stated in Acts 24:14, why is Christianity not still considered a sect of Judaism? .

In Psalm 1:1-2, we see that the Law is contrary to the council of the wicked. Shouldn't we follow it? .

If Jesus broke the 4th command, then he wouldn't be sinless, correct? If Jesus didn't break the Sabbath, shouldn’t we also keep the Sabbath like Him? .

If in Matthew 5 Jesus says that teaching people not to follow the commands of God/Law of God makes you the least in heaven, why are we not teaching people to follow the commands of God/Law of God? .

If all Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, why do we say that Leviticus 11 is not? .

Deuteronomy 8 says, "You shall remember all the way which the Lord your God has led you in the wilderness these forty years, that He might humble you, testing you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not." Since God doesn't change, is it safe to say He still tests hearts to see if we will obey His commands? .

Deuteronomy 8 says, "Thus you are to know in your heart that the Lord your God was disciplining you just as a man disciplines his son. Therefore, you shall keep the commandments of the Lord your God, to walk in His ways and to fear Him." Doesn't obeying the commands of God go with Proverbs 12:1 where it says, "Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, But he who hates reproof is stupid." .

Deuteronomy 7 says, "Know therefore that the Lord your God, He is God, the faithful God, who keeps His covenant and His lovingkindness to a thousandth generation with those who love Him and keep His commandments; but repays those who hate Him to their faces, to destroy them; He will not delay with him who hates Him, He will repay him to his face." Can it be said that a hatred for God's commandments is hatred for God also? .

Deuteronomy 6 says, "So the Lord commanded us to observe all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God for our good always and for our survival, as it is today. It will be righteousness for us if we are careful to observe all this commandment before the Lord our God, just as He commanded us." Isn't choosing God's righteousness by obedience the same as living as Christ? .

Jude says, "In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.” These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. If the Spirit writes the Law of God on the hearts of New Covenant believers, then isn't Jude warning against any who would mock those keeping God's Laws? .

Malachi 2:2-3 speaks of God's anger for people holding feasts and festivities that do not honor Him. We know that Christmas and Easter are not in the Bible; is it possible that God could be talking about these customs that have commonly replaced God's Holy days? .

If in the end times the Law will go forth from Zion as it says in Isaiah 2:2-3, why do pastors say that it was "nailed to the cross" and not to be observed? .

If Proverbs says, "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; Fools despise wisdom and instruction," does that mean that those who reject the Law/Instructions of God are fools? .

In Mark 7, we see the religious leaders rebuked for holding to their interpretations over what the Scriptures say. How would you react if a congregant pointed out that in Leviticus 11, our unchanging God states that specific animals are not, nor ever were, for food? .

Jeremiah 23 says, “The anger of the Lord will not turn back Until He has performed and carried out the purposes of His heart; In the last days you will clearly understand it. I did not send these prophets, But they ran. I did not speak to them, But they prophesied. But if they had stood in My council, Then they would have announced My words to My people, And would have turned them back from their evil way and from the evil of their deeds." If we are in the last days as most agree, shouldn't the priests and prophets be proclaiming a return to God's Law/His ways/His deeds? .

God says in Jeremiah 11, “Cursed is the man who does not heed the words of this covenant which I commanded your forefathers in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, ‘Listen to My voice, and do according to all which I command you; so you shall be My people, and I will be your God." Shouldn't we heed the words of God's covenant, seeing as how the New Covenant is the same, except we don't break it? .

In the book of Jeremiah, God is greatly grieved and in anguish over people neglecting His ways and His commands, forgoing His Law for their own. We know God doesn't change, so why would He not feel the same way when we do the same things today? .

Jeremiah 5 says, “For the house of Israel and the house of Judah Have dealt very treacherously with Me,” declares the Lord. They have lied about the Lord And said, “Not He; Misfortune will not come on us, And we will not see sword or famine." Many today preach that there is no difference between Israel and Judah; shouldn't we be concerned when they also preach that we will not see sword or famine? .

Isaiah 9:6 says, "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." As we believe that Christ is God, then God's Law and Christ's Law would be the same Law, right? .

Colossians 3 says, "Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God." Does that mean that we should use Psalms 119 for admonishing? .

In church, we often hear that it’s just Jews and Gentiles. Why does Christ say in Luke 22, "so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." Doesn't that mean not just Judah? .

Ezekiel 37 says, ‘“This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am going to take the stick of Joseph—which is in Ephraim’s hand—and of the Israelite tribes associated with him, and join it to Judah’s stick. I will make them into a single stick of wood, and they will become one in my hand.” Why is it commonly taught that Judah (Jews) are the only ones that are Israel? .

We are called to be "doers of the Word and not hearers only," as James 1:22-25 states. Doesn't that Word include all the Commands of God as 2 Timothy 3:16-17 points to? .

If we interpret Paul as saying it doesn't matter if you keep the Sabbath in Colossians 2:16, How can Hebrews 4:9-11 say not keeping the Sabbath as God does is disobedience? .

We are New Covenant believers. If His Law is written on our hearts as Hebrews 10:16 states, why don't we have a desire to keep it? .

In Psalms 19:10, it says that the commands of God are greater than gold. Why do we often hear sermons about money but not enough about being obedient to the commands of God? .

Psalms 19:9 says, "The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the Lord are true; they are righteous altogether." If God's Law is true and righteous altogether, why wouldn't we follow it? .

Psalms 19:8 says, "The precepts of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes." Why do many modern pastors preach the opposite of this in reference to the Law of God? .

Deuteronomy 28:1-14 talks about the great blessings in following the commands of God. Why would Christ supposedly get rid of these blessings? .

Exodus 15:26 says that the commands of God are healing. Why do we often interpret them as being bondage? .

Deuteronomy 7:11-15 says that the Law and commands of God bring healing and blessings; why would that be interpreted as bondage? .

Deuteronomy 7:12 refers to the Covenant as a Covenant of Love. Why do we characterize the Covenant as bondage and oppression? .

Scripture shows that there would have been 14 giraffes on the Ark with Noah. Doesn't the fact that there is a classification of clean and unclean before Sinai poke holes in the idea of dispensationalism? .

It is written that even the demons believe and tremble (James 2:19). So, wouldn’t we be at the same level as the demons if all we did was believe? .

Scripture says that God is true and every man is a liar. In Psalm 119:142, it states that God's Law is truth. If it became not truth, wouldn't that make God a liar? .

In Isaiah 63:10-14, it states that they grieved the Holy Spirit. Why do we often hear that the New Covenant is new because it includes the Holy Spirit, when the original covenant clearly included the Holy Spirit? .

Psalm 119:98 states that the commands of God/His Law makes one wiser than their enemies. Why would that be considered a burden? .

The Sabbath was instituted before sin entered the world and before Adam had sinned. How can the law change something that predates sin or the need for the law? .

Isaiah 5:24 says, "...For they have rejected the law of the Lord of Hosts and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel." Isn't a rejection of the Law of God the same thing as despising the Holy One of Israel? .

Joshua 1:7-8 states that following the Law of God is great success. Why do we interpret that as a legalistic failure? .

In Judges 2:22, Judges 3:1 and 4, we see that God tests His people to see if they will obey His commands. Is there any indicator that God has stopped doing this? .

We know from Scripture that the golden calf was worshiping God in pagan ways, and Judges 2:12-14 talks about forsaking God and worshiping other gods in those ways. Are there customs that the church has adapted that are not in line with what God teaches as acceptable? .

Doesn't Deuteronomy 5:29-33 and the New Covenant outlined in Jeremiah 32:38-42 make the same points? .

Why do we interpret it as only Jews leaving Egypt when Scripture states that it was a mixed multitude in Exodus 12:38? .

Mark 3:24-25 says a kingdom/house divided against itself cannot stand. Wouldn’t that mean that the Law of Christ and God's Law can't be in opposition since the Word stands forever? .

If we are to interpret the Sabbath having been done away with due to it being addressed in the Law of God, how do we reconcile that it was given before Sinai as Genesis 2:1-3 shows? .

John 14:10 says, "If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love." Doesn’t that support the notion that we should be obeying the Law of God? .

John 14:15 says, "If you love me, keep my commands." How do we physically do that? .

Can it be possible for the Law of Christ and the Law of God to be different Laws, since Christ obeys God and is of God, teaching obedience to the instructions of God as He Himself follows? .

Ephesians 6:4 reads, "Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord." Aren’t the instructions of the Lord the commands of God, His Law? .

Romans 3:20 states, "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin". How can we repent of sin, if we are not conscious of it? Doesn't that mean we should study the Law of God for repentance? .

In Matthew 26, Christ says, "You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man is to be handed over for crucifixion.” Why does the church recognize Easter instead of Passover? .

If the Law was done away with, why does Ezekiel 40-48 detail the return of Levites, offerings, and a Temple? .

How is it possible for Christ to be a righteous judge if Christ allegedly abolished the Law of God? By what standard would He judge? .

Titus 2 says, "But as for you, speak the things which are fitting for sound doctrine. Older men are to be temperate, dignified, sensible, sound in faith, in love, in perseverance." Doesn't the perseverance of the believer outlined in Revelation 14:12 indicate that we are to keep the commands of God along with faith in Christ? .

In Titus 1, Paul says, "They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed". Aren't the deeds that people should be doing the commands of God as Christ states in Matthew 7:21-23? .

2 Peter 2 states that the way of Balaam is the love of wickedness, stumbling, and false prophecy, and Revelation 2 says that by eating unclean things and committing immorality, Christ makes war against them. Isn't the definition of wicked in Greek athesmos: one who breaks through the restraint of Law and gratifies his lusts, and Psalm 119:9-11 says that God's Law helps a man keep pure? .

In Amos 2:4, God says, “For three sins of Judah, even for four, I will not relent. Because they have rejected the law of the Lord and have not kept his decrees, because they have been led astray by false gods, the gods their ancestors followed." If God hates it when people don't follow the Law of the Lord, which are His commands, and God doesn't change, why do we often hear that the Law is not to be followed? .

1 Timothy 6:3-4 say "If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words..." Is there anything in the Law of God that isn't conforming to godliness, and doesn’t Scripture say that the commands of God are sound doctrine? .

In 1 Timothy 4, Paul writes, "paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, ... men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth." Paul can't be referring to God's Law as doctrines of demons since it comes directly from God, can he? .

In 1 Timothy 4, Paul writes, "paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth." Doesn't Leviticus 11 point out what God defines as food? .

1 Timothy 1:8-11 states that the Law of God is good and educates everyone who acts contrary to its sound teaching. Why do we often hear that obedience to the Law of God is not good and contrary to sound teaching? .

We know that Christ says that the greatest commands are "Love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself". Is there any command in the Law of God that doesn't fall under these parameters? .

We as believers are obviously encouraged to follow the 10 commandments. Why are we often discouraged to follow the explanation of the 10 commandments found in the books following Exodus? .

Galatians 5:16-17 says, "But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please." Why do we think Galatians is teaching us not to obey God's Law when Romans 7:14 states that it's Spiritual and against the flesh? .

Deuteronomy 11:13-17 speaks about obedience to the commands of God in order to acquire rain in its proper season. This is mirrored in the millennial reign of Christ in Zechariah 14:16-21. Why do we often teach that this is something that we're not to do now? .

Titus 3:9 says, "...Avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless". However, the Savior says in Matthew 5:19: "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Do these contradict? .

Every covenant has terms which we must abide by to keep from breaking the covenant. What are the terms of the new covenant? .

Romans 15:4 says, "For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope". Doesn't that mean that the Law of God was written for our instruction? .

In Hebrews 8:7 and 8:13, we can see that the word Covenant is not there in the Greek but is added by translators. Without the translator bias, doesn't the context suggest a faulty priesthood? Is it more likely that the human priests are faulty, or that God made a faulty covenant? .

In John 8:42-47, Christ says that the Devil is a liar and the father of lies, but Christ speaks the truth of God and is without sin. Aren't all of God's commands truth as Psalm 119:151 says? Doesn't Christ only teach what God has instructed, as John 7:16 states? .

Isaiah 66:22-24 says that after the New Heaven and New Earth, The Sabbath will still be kept. Matthew 5:17-19 says that the Law of God mentions that we're to keep the Law of God until the New Heaven and New Earth. Why do many Churches disregard the Sabbath and the Law of God? .

People often say that Christ redeemed us from obedience to God's Law. How does that make sense when before we had faith in Christ, we were walking in rebellion to God's Law? .

If Psalm 51:6 links truth and wisdom together and Psalm 119:43 says God's law is truth and Psalm 119:98 says the Law of God makes one wise, then wouldn't disregarding the Law of God be untrue and unwise? .

Why do we often say that the Law of God was too hard for us to follow, but in Deuteronomy 30:11-14, God says, "“For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach"? .

Deuteronomy 30:6 says, “Moreover the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live." How is this different than the definition of the New Covenant? .

We're often told that in the New Covenant, we have circumcised hearts instead of the flesh and in the Old Covenant, the people were circumcised in the flesh. Doesn't Deuteronomy 10:16 speak to a circumcised heart and in Acts 16:3 Paul circumcised Timothy in the flesh? .

In 1 Timothy 18-11, we see that the Law of God is only for those who sin and 1 John 1:8 says "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us." Wouldn't that indicate that the Law of God is for us to teach us how to live as Christ since sin is breaking God’s Law? .

In Jeremiah 14:14, God says, “The prophets are prophesying falsehood in My name. I have neither sent them nor commanded them nor spoken to them; they are prophesying to you a false vision, divination, futility and the deception of their own minds." And Deuteronomy 13:4-5 says that we know they're false because they're not teaching obedience to the Law/commands of God. Are we certain we're not teaching falsely in church? .

God says in Jeremiah 6:16, “Stand by the ways and see and ask for the ancient paths, Where the good way is, and walk in it; And you will find rest for your souls. But they said, ‘We will not walk in it’.” Aren't those ways His Laws, and the ancient paths His commandments? Are we still saying we will not walk in it? .

In Exodus 18, we see Moses teaching the commands of God before he went up Sinai; are we to believe that the commands are different then what He received on Sinai? .

Is the Spirit of God mentioned in Ezekiel 36:26-27 different from the one given to us today, and if so, why is this passage quoted in Hebrews? If not, then isn't the Law of God on our hearts if we're New Covenant believers? .

Matthew 24:20-21 points to the Sabbath being kept at a specific time, and Luke 23:52-56 shows that people still kept the Sabbath according to the commandment. Where does the idea that the Sabbath is not to be kept, or that we get to pick "a" Sabbath come from? .

In Matthew 15:1-14, Jesus labels the Pharisees as "blind guides" and "hypocrites" for teaching their own doctrines instead of God's commands. Are we sure we're not doing the same things? .

Zechariah 14:16-21 mentions that in that time, there will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, “Holy to the Lord.” Do we believe that this has happened yet or not? .

Is Isaiah 56:6-8 about Jews or Gentiles, and has it happened yet? If not, then shouldn't we do what it says? .

Isaiah 51:7 is an encouragement for those who keep the Law of God to not be dismayed by those who mock. Are we as a church more like the ones being encouraged or the ones mocking? .

1 Corinthians 15 mentions that Christ is the First fruits and Leviticus 26:10-14 mention that First Fruits is to be a statute throughout our generations. Why do we not teach about First Fruits in church? .

If we were to interpret Mark 7 as Christ making all animals clean, and Revelation 18:2 says that there are still unclean animals, don't those contradict? And if so, shouldn’t we rethink how we are interpreting Mark 7? .

1 Peter 1:25 says that the Word of the Lord stands forever. Why then do we interpret His commands as being rendered not to be observed? .

In Revelation 3:15-16, we see the Savior says that He's going to judge our deeds as hot or cold. What deeds is He speaking of if not obedience to the commands of God? .

Colossians 2:9 states, "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form". Is it possible for Christ to be God and disregard God's Law without God changing or going against His own word? .

Colossians 2:8 is often quoted to suggest that the Law of God is not to be observed, but is the Law of God based on the traditions of men/the world or is it from God? .

If Ananias and Sapphira were under grace of the New Covenant the way its commonly taught in churches, why were they struck down? .

If in Jeremiah 10:3-5 God outlines that cutting a tree down and decorating it is a pagan practice that we're not to do, and Job 14:4 says that no one can make a clean thing out of an unclean thing, why do Christians do this every December? .

Ephesians 6:14 says to gird your loins with truth, and Psalm 119:151 says that all of God's commands are truth. Doesn't that mean that equipping the commands is part of the full armor of God? .

It's commonly taught that before Jesus, people followed the Law to be saved. But Psalm 130 says that David looked forward to Christ for Salvation. If they never looked to the Law of God for Salvation, then what is it for? .

In Isaiah 8:20, we see that if you don't speak to the Law and the testimony, it’s because you don't have light, and Ephesians 5:8-10 says to walk in the light, wouldn't that equate light with obeying God's commands? Can light be darkness? .

Nehemiah 9:13 says that God's Laws are just and good. Why do we interpret them as oppressive and bad? .

In Deuteronomy 18:18, we see that Jesus was to teach the same Word of God as Moses. In John 5:46-47, we see Jesus says the same thing. Why do we say that Jesus taught something different than Moses/the commands of God? .

If the Feast of Tabernacles or Sukkot was only for the Jews, as some say, why does Deuteronomy 16:13-15 say that it is also for the gentiles? .

In Deuteronomy 10:12-13, God asks us to love Him and walk in all of His ways out of that love. Why do we say that God asks us to ignore parts of that walk? .

In Deuteronomy 8:3, we see that man lives not on bread alone but every word that comes out of the mouth of God. Christ quotes this to rebuke the Devil. Why do we say that some of those words of God are not for us? .

Why does God want people to follow his commandments always and forever as Deuteronomy 5:29-33 states, if God didn't actually mean always and forever? .

In Numbers 15:15, we see that the Law of God is to be a perpetual statute throughout the generations of both Jews and Gentiles alike. Does perpetual mean everlasting or limited? .

If everyone was spit out of the land into the Diaspora because they rejected God's Law, then how is the Diaspora to repent from rejecting God's Law if God did away with it? .

If Scripture states that the Sabbath is a fixed appointed time of God on the 7th day, why do pastors say that it changed? Who changed it? .

How did Cain and Abel know what and when to sacrifice, and God reject Cain's? .

In Acts 11, why did Peter keep telling everyone the vision was about gentiles, if it was about eating unclean animals? Why wouldn't he mention eating unclean animals as the interpretation anywhere? .

If there is supposed to be a rapture of the saints, why do believers and unbelievers continue to live on the earth like Zechariah 14 teaches? .

Wouldn't adding Christmas and Easter as Biblical holidays, while not teaching the Biblical ones, be adding to and taking away from the Word of God? .

If Romans 15:4 says whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, does that mean that rejecting the Law of God is rejecting God's instructions and denying the Scriptures? .

2 Timothy 4:3-4 says the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching and Proverbs 4:2 says good doctrine is keeping to God's Law. Does that mean those who teach against God's Law are teaching a false doctrine? .

Why does Jesus tell us to follow the Torah (Moses) without hypocrisy in Matthew 23:2-3 if following the Torah is not for the followers of Jesus? .

Why would the alien/gentile be cut off from Israel in Numbers 15:30-31 if the alien/gentile was not part of Israel? .

If the Law of God was bondage, why would God lead them out of Egyptian slavery just to give them bondage? .

If James 2:10 says that if we break one law, we are guilty of breaking the whole Law. Where do pastors get the idea that there are three different classifications (moral/civil/ceremonial) of the Law .

If Revelation 22:14 says following His commands are a blessing, why do we teach that it's a burden? .

Why does Paul, the apostle to the gentiles, tell them to keep the Passover in 1 Corinthians 5:7-8, and why don't we do that now? .

Why are there sacrifices when Jesus comes back as in Zechariah 14:16-21? .

If the Law is not to be followed, why are we supposed to keep it until Judgment Day, as Malachi 4:4-5 states? 

If 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 says to not be unclean, where do we get the definition of clean and unclean, and has that changed from the Torah? .

Why is Moses (Law of God) taught every Sabbath (Acts 15:21) in the synagogues to gentiles if gentiles weren't to study the Law of God or keep the Sabbath on the 7th day? .

Why do we interpret Paul as to saying something different than what God says, and shouldn't we be more attentive to God than Paul in regards to God's Law? .

If Proverbs 28:9 says that ignoring God's law/instructions/ commands make even your prayer an abomination, when did God change His mind about that? .

In Proverbs 3:34 we see that there is grace in the Old Testament. Why do we often hear that grace is a New Testament idea, wouldn't that suggest God changed? .

God says in Isaiah 31:2 that He doesn't retract his word, Why would we think the Law of God is not to be followed? .

If Daniel 7:25 says that the adversary seeks to change the Law and appointed times of God, are we teaching that Jesus is against God? .

If Hebrews 10:1 says that the Law is a good thing to come in heaven, why do we interpret it as bondage? Does that mean that heaven is bondage? .

If in Titus 2:11-14 we see that grace redeems us from every lawless deed, why do we present grace as the opposite of the Law instead of its companion? .

If Paul says in Romans 6 that we are not to live in sin because we are in Christ, and sin is transgression of the Law, wouldn't that mean that we are to live in obedience to the Law because we are in Christ? .

If we are to be redeemed from sin, and sin is transgression of the Law as stated in 1 John 3:4, then wouldn't that mean that our goal is to begin obeying the Law? .

If in Acts 10 we are to interpret Peter’s vision as Christ making all animals clean, why does Revelation 18:2 say that there is still unclean animals? .

If the commands of God are not to be followed, why does Revelation 14:12 say that we are to keep both the commands of God and have faith in Jesus? .

If Jesus followed the Law of God, and we are called to follow Jesus’ example, how do we do that without following the Law of God that was His example? .

Why did the false witnesses say Jesus and Stephen were teaching against God's Law in Acts 6:10-15, but we teach that Jesus was teaching us not to follow God's Law? .

Why was Paul performing a sacrifice after the death and resurrection of Christ in Acts 21:17-26 to prove that there is no truth to the rumor that he was teaching people not to follow God's Law, if he was teaching people not to follow God's Law? .

If Peter tells us to not interpret Paul’s writings as teaching us not to obey God's Law in 2 Peter 3:14-17, why do we interpret Paul’s writings as teaching us not to obey God's Law? .

If Jesus in Mark 7 is telling people to ignore God saying what is and isn't food, isn't He teaching us to not obey God? Why would Jesus be rebuking the Pharisees in Mark 7 for not obeying God's commands, if He was teaching us in that passage to ignore God's commands? .

If Acts 10, Peter’s vision about the unclean animals, is to be interpreted as God changing His mind about calling pigs unclean, why is He still mad about it in Isaiah 66, and what is to stop Him from changing his mind about any of the promises He's made? Why wouldn’t He change His Mind about Salvation or coming back?

If 2 Thessalonians 2 says the anti-Christ is the lawless one who deceives others to be lawless (teaching not to obey God's Law), why are those actions being ascribed to Jesus? .

If Israel is only the Jews, why does Revelation 7 talk about all of the tribes, not just Judah? If gentiles aren't part of Israel, why does Jesus only say He came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel in Matthew 15:24? Was He bearing false witness, or are gentiles part of Israel? .

A:Christ followed and obeyed and taught the Law of God ( If He didn't He's not the sinless perfect Lamb without blemish) B: We are to follow, obey and teach living and being like Christ. How do we do B without doing A? A: We are to obey the Holy Spirit B: The Holy Spirit writes the Law of God on our hearts and minds that we may obey it How do we do A without doing B A: We are to crucify the flesh and obey the Spirit B: The flesh is hostile to God's law, and the Law of God is Spiritual. How do we do A without B? Isn't John 3:16 directly pitted against Matthew 15:24 unless you recognize that: A) Gentiles have always been allowed to become Israel Exodus 12:38,Exodus 19:8,Deuteronomy 31:9-13 B) Gentiles have an Inheritance among the tribes,as part of Israel Ezekiel 47:21-23 C) Through Christ we become a member of the Tribes of Israel Ephesians 2:19,Romans 4:16,Romans 11:13-17,Galatians 3:29, Isaiah 56:2-8 If we were to say that God's Law and Christ's Law are different Laws, isn't that denying the Deity of Christ?