Wednesday, April 15, 2020

In Defense of Paul

It seems that every month someone goes to a shelf where they keep old refuted heresies and then blow the dust off of them and wave them around for people to fawn over. This month, the topic is at its core, removing most of the New Testament. I've gone rounds with individual people in threads about how discarding Paul as authoritative scripture is a horrible idea, but, here I am again writing it in a post because I didn't save my work in those threads.  Justin Best put out a video BASED ON HIS REASONING of 50 reasons not to quote Paul as scripture. I want to emphasise that just because Mr. Best spent a long time with this faulty line of thinking,  that does not make his reasoning true. Many spend years in false ideologies and study heretical text and the fact that they have invested so much time in a vain pursuit does not make their conclusions any more or less flawed. Most of these objections are made not on their own merits it would seem, but starting with a conclusion and then working backwards to gather points to substantiate the conclusion. This is poor and lazy scholarship.  Now there are 50 points to get through so I "best" get started, heh. ... see what I did there...

1. Paul's testimony of his conversion is inconsistent at best, and has a very close resemblance to the conversion of Joseph Smith and Muhammed.
First off, That is a pretty bold statement for "Best" to make. Pauls conversion isn't like Joseph Smiths as Pauls conversion involves others that can attest to it. Acts 9

Now there was a disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and the Lord said to him in a vision, “Ananias.” And he said, “Here I am, Lord.” 11 And the Lord said to him, “Get up and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying, 12 and he has seen in a vision a man named Ananias come in and lay his hands on him, so that he might regain his sight.” 13 But Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem; 14 and here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name.” 15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel; 16 for I will show him how much he must suffer for My name’s sake.”

We have no reason to discount Ananias' account of Paul's conversion. Also we take Stephens word that he saw the Messiah as he was being stoned to death, why should we doubt Pauls word about his conversion as it is backed by the fruit of a believer detailed in Acts.

Secondly,
Paul 10 AD. - 64 AD.
Muhammed 571 AD-  632 AD
Joseph Smith 1805 AD- 1844 AD

How exactly did Paul plagiarized his conversion from people that lived 500- 1700 years after him? This point alone should discredit the reasoning and "logic" for the rest of the post.

Third, the three passages of Paul's conversion don't contradict. They just add more details depending on the audience. We don't say that Genesis chapter 1 and chapter 2 contradict because they give different accounts of creation, we understand that it is one account of creation but told with specific details and elaboration. This is a common thing.

2. Paul changed his own name, the Most High did not.So? That has nothing to do with anything. Paul had a Roman name and Hebrew name. I know a lot of Messianics that re-name themselves in the faith, does this mean that they're not of faith?


3. Paul doesn't meet the criteria for apostleship according to the Book of Acts 1:21-22

Therefore it is necessary that of the men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us— 22 beginning with the baptism of John until the day that He was taken up from us—one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection.
Paul is a witness Yeshua's Resurrection. He had a conversation with Him on the road to Damascus. He went on to proclaim (witnessing) Christ as raised from the dead.

1 Cor 15
 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 

4. Paul claims the title of apostle to the gentiles, a role given explicitly to Peter.Where does it say that it is a role given specifically to Peter? Unwittingly "Best" gets into circular reasoning by pointing to Acts 10 as support for his claim. By using Acts to make his claim, he's asserting the credibility of the book of Acts, and that encompasses the conversion of Paul. So, either
Acts must be thrown out because it affirms paul
Or
Acts is true, and therefore cannot be used to discredit paul

5. Paul was rejected and sent away from the 12 apostles on multiple occasions.
To cite Acts 9:26...
 When he came to Jerusalem, he was trying to associate with the disciples; but they were all afraid of him, not believing that he was a disciple. 
And squeeze that into a context of rejecting Paul is outright dishonest when you look at the following verse that states that Barny vouched for him.
But Barnabas took hold of him and brought him to the apostles and described to them how he had seen the Lord on the road, and that He had talked to him, and how at Damascus he had spoken out boldly in the name of Jesus. 28 And he was with them, moving about freely in Jerusalem, speaking out boldly in the name of the Lord. 29 And he was talking and arguing with the Hellenistic Jews; but they were attempting to put him to death.
Not only was Paul brought to the Apostles, but Barnabas AFFIRMS PAUL'S CONVERSION. Scripture refutes the first point objection to this very post.

6. Paul teaches against circumcision and then deflects when confronted.To cite 1 Corinthians 7:19 as Paul disregarding circumcision is to not only ignore the context but to ignore half of the verse in order to shoehorn it in to a pre-determined bias.
 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.
Paul is not speaking against keeping the Law of God here. Paul goes on to make the analogy
Were you called while a slave? Do not worry about it; but if you are able also to become free, rather do that. 22 For he who was called in the Lord while a slave, is the Lord’s freedman; likewise he who was called while free, is Christ’s slave.
The goal is obedience out of faith. He's speaking against the idea that you must become something and then be saved. Gentiles (uncircumcision) do not need to convert to Judaism (circumcision) in order to be saved (Acts 15). Reading the verse in right context it says something like "Being Jewish is meaningless, and being Gentile is meaningless, what matters is that you are obedient to God"

7. Paul calls the actual disciples hypocrites.
Yeah, He does that because Peter was engaged in Hypocrisy. Do we throw out the scriptures where Nathan rebukes David for his hypocrisy regarding the murder of Uriah? Peter isn't infallible, I don't care what the catholics say.

8. The only source of Paul's confirmation (2 Peter) wasn't written by Peter.First of all, we're seeing the slippery slope of throwing out other books to try and make a doctrine fit.
Second, Peter says he wrote 2 Peter in verse 1.
Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ: 
The only person i've heard saying that Peter wasn't written by Peter is Mr. Best who has an agenda to discredit Paul

2 Peter 3
Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.


9. Paul calls himself an apostle 20 of the 22 times it's mentioned. The only other time was 2 Peter (not written by Peter) and by Luke, Paul's travelling companion.
... Paul calls himself a... So what?
1 Peter 1
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen

Peter calling himself an apostle.  so do we throw out 1st Peter too?   Also, Just because Luke was Pauls traveling companion doesn't mean that we discredit Luke.  Lets take a look now, He's gotten rid of Paul, 2nd Peter, Acts, First Peter, and now the Gospel of Luke. Do you not see how flawed this guys reasoning is when he leans on his own understanding.

10. Paul didn't obey the Messiah's Matthew teachings.Best cites Acts 23 for justification of the text
2 The high priest Ananias commanded those standing beside him to strike him on the mouth. 3 Then Paul said to him, “God is going to strike you, you whitewashed wall! Do you sit to try me according to the Law, and in violation of the Law order me to be struck?” 4 But the bystanders said, “Do you revile God’s high priest?” 5 And Paul said, “I was not aware, brethren, that he was high priest; for it is written, ‘You shall not speak evil of a ruler of your people.’
 What we actually see here is a sin and then repentance for a sin and an affirmation of Torah - Exodus 22:28 You shall not curse God, nor curse a ruler of your people.

So "Best" says that we cannot trust Paul because Paul doesn't affirm scripture, and here he is affirming scripture. He says we can't trust Acts, but is using Acts. This is lazy and inconsistent.  Remember when Peter denied Yeshua and swore that he didn't know Him, but was later restored to ministry? We should NOT follow 'Best"'s example and build a doctrine discrediting Peter based off of a stumbling of Peter.


11. Paul boasted incessantly.
Galatians 1:13 is quoted.
For you have heard of my former manner of life in Judaism, how I used to persecute the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it
Someone detailing credentials of a subject to affirm that they know the intricacies that they're speaking on in order to refute it, is not the same as boasting. Paul does say boasting to make a point in 2 cor. 11
 I repeat: Let no one take me for a fool. But if you do, then tolerate me just as you would a fool, so that I may do a little boasting. 17 In this self-confident boasting I am not talking as the Lord would, but as a fool. 18 Since many are boasting in the way the world does, I too will boast. 19 You gladly put up with fools since you are so wise! 20 In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or puts on airs or slaps you in the face. 21 To my shame I admit that we were too weak for that!Whatever anyone else dares to boast about—I am speaking as a fool—I also dare to boast about.  Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they Abraham’s descendants? So am I. 23 Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this.) I am more. I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24 Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26 I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false believers. 27 I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. 28 Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness.
Paul is illustrating that the same type of situation that happened with Yeshua and the Disciples.

12. Paul tried to discredit Peter and shared his grievance with him openly in a letter. (Matthew 18 not followed)He didn't discredit Peter, He addressed a public issue. Look at Matthew 23 where Yeshua does the EXACT SAME THING

Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples.. 
But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

13. Paul doesn't turn the other cheek, but curses his oppressors.He retracted the curse. Frankly, going from Hebrew mafia pre-conversion to cursing and then retracting a curse after being socked in the jaw... that's remarkable proof of his Salvation and conversion.

14. Paul had his very own Gospel which he called "my gospel."According to his Gospel. the glad tidings of salvation through Christ

15. Paul claims he didn't benefit at all from the other disciples' wisdom.Where did he allegedly claim this? I could say that Justin Best claims that there's nothing wrong with dressing like a woman, but unless he wrote it somewhere or said it in front of witnesses, it would just be slander or a made up interpretation.

16. Paul claims that he is the one who laid the foundation that others build on.1 Corinthians 3:10 is the text used to justify this:
10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it.
Justin Best shows his bias saying that Paul is saying something that's not because Paul affirms in the very next verse
11 For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
What does this mean? In the same chapter a few verses up Paul writes:

I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. 7 So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.

Paul is stating the same thing that is said in John 4
 For in this case the saying is true, ‘One sows and another reaps.’ 38 I sent you to reap that for which you have not labored; others have labored and you have entered into their labor.”

17. Paul calls himself a "father," contrary to Messiah's teachings.Wilbers point cites Heggs study on this and it was beyond me so I'll cite Wilber citing Hegg to refute "Best", Lol
 This was not how Paul used the term in 1 Corinthians 4:15. According to Hegg:

Paul is arguing for his own acceptance among the followers of Yeshua at Corinth and that they should not "exceed what is written" (v. 6) but should honor his own admonition that the Scriptures formed the ultimate authority for their faith and practice. When he is using the term "father" here, he is referring to himself as the one who brought the Gospel to them and thus the one through whose message they gained "sonship" in the Messiah. (Ibid.)

18. Paul was incapable of casting out HIS demon and was the only apostle with this issue.Do we believe that Acts 16 is true?

 It happened that as we were going to the place of prayer, a slave-girl having a spirit of divination met us, who was bringing her masters much profit by fortune-telling. 17 Following after Paul and us, she kept crying out, saying, “These men are bond-servants of the Most High God, who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation.” 18 She continued doing this for many days. But Paul was greatly annoyed, and turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her!” And it came out at that very moment.
If we believe that Acts 16 is true then we affirm that Paul is a bondservant  of the Most High God. If we take this account of him casting out a demon by the authority of Christ as accurate, then the objection 18 is irrelevant. Paul is a bondservant of the Most High God and he proclaims the way of salvation, and he does cast out demons, therefore half ot the objections on this are refuted. Wilbur also directs to  Matthew 17:19 to show that the disciples also had issues with casting out demons and that is not limited to Paul.


19. Paul lied to the Sanhedrin when confronted with allegations of teaching against the Law and circumcision.
No, He didn't.


20. Paul repeatedly tries to assure people that he's not lying.So does Yeshua in John 5 and everywhere He says the phrase "Truely, Truely"

24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
Two Resurrections
25 Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

So by this reasoning, we have to discard the book of John.

Wilbur drives the point in his refutation of "Best"
Justin kept trying to reassure us that he wasn't rejecting the Messiah or the entirety of the New Testament based on his views of Paul. Why did Justin feel the need to reassure us of this repeatedly throughout his video? According to his own logic, Justin must be untrustworthy!


21. Paul tells his followers to imitate HIM, not the Messiah.No, He doesn't. He says to imitate him AS he imitates Messiah. Imagine your boss showing you exactly how he wants something done and then your co-worker comes in after your boss has left. You show them how to do exactly what was asked, exactly how your boss wants it. you say something like "do exactly what I'm doing here". They're following your boss's instructions, not yours.

22. Paul is not eloquent, but confusing. Yahuah is not the author of confusion.This point is such garbage in the way they're using it that it can be applied to God Himself.
But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.” 15 Again a voice came to him a second time, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.” 16 This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.
17 Now while Peter was greatly perplexed in mind as to what the vision which he had seen might be, behold, the men who had been sent by Cornelius, having asked directions for Simon’s house, appeared at the gate; 
Peter not understanding a vision from God Himself does not mean that God is authoring confusion. Paul writing things which some do not understand does not mean that Paul is authoring confusion.
 I again direct you back to 2 Peter 3
, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

23. Paul contradicts himself repeatedly.Source???
He doesn't tho.

24. Paul taught to follow your conscience, not the law.
No... He doesn't. What is the source of this claim? And further more, how many of these points are the same point repeated over and over or are opinions pretending to be points???

25. Paul says the law justifies, then says it doesn't in the next chapter. (Romans 2-3)The claim is that Romans 2:13 contradicts Romans 3:20,

Romans 2:13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 
Romans 3:30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.
 Paul is saying that same thing that James does, do we throw out James also?
James 2
 What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? 17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
Those of faith will result in works, and those of only works without faith will not be saved. That is not a contradiction at all.

26. Paul added to and took away from the WORD in stereotypical Pharisee fashion.This point is very strange to acert in an argument for adding and taking away from the Word. Again, I can say that Justin says its ok to wear ladies undies, but that by no means makes it true. Just saying something doesn't make it true. Paul did not add or take away from the Word. "Best" mentions Romans 14 and takes this to mean that Paul is talking about picking or not picking the Sabbath, when in reality, Romans 14 is about eating and not eating= Fasting. "Best" applies a false meaning to the chapter and then criticises Paul as contradicting scripture for his interpretation.  Its like saying, "Paul is saying something contrary to scripture, because I say he is, and because I say he is, Paul is therefore saying something contrary to scripture." 

27. Paul caused confusion, and 50,000 "Christian" denominations.
Again, Peter was confused by God. Does that mean that God is wrong? Does that mean that we remove God from all denominations? That's silly and really really bad theology.

28. Paul caused lawlessness among so many it is added to him until this day.
Churchill had a quote that says A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. If Paul professes truth and someone misreads or mishears or misapplies it, who is at fault, the one that shared truth or the one that distorts it.
Look at the adversary. If we apply "Bests" logic, Its God's fault when the adversary twists scripture.

Furthermore Acts 6

 Then they secretly induced men to say, “We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and against God.” 12 And they stirred up the people, the elders and the scribes, and they came up to him and dragged him away and brought him before the Council. 13 They put forward false witnesses who said, “This man incessantly speaks against this holy place and the Law; 14 for we have heard him say that this Nazarene, Jesus, will destroy this place and alter the customs which Moses handed down to us.

What shall we do with this? If we apply "Best"'s Logic, we must throw out the Messiah because people have believed the words of false witnesses.

29. Paul doesn't pass the Prophet test of Deuteronomy 13.Nowhere does Paul say let us worship other gods. Nowhere does Paul say that we should disregard God's commands or God's Law. This is the very thing that Peter states was NOT happening. This is the very thing that Paul went and did a vow and performed sacrifices to show he was NOT doing. "Best" is again starting with a conclusion and working backwards.

30. Paul's doctrines cannot be confirmed by 2-3 witnesses.

Acts 15
 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them to send to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas—Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren, 23 and they sent this letter by them,
“The apostles and the brethren who are elders, to the brethren in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia who are from the Gentiles, greetings.
24 “Since we have heard that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have disturbed you with their words, unsettling your souls, 25 it seemed good to us, having become of one mind, to select men to send to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 
Peter, Barnabas, Silas, Judas called Barsabbas. All of these are in affirmation of the same doctrine. 


31. James 3 seems to be directly teaching against Paul personally.This interpretation is not in line with James affirming Paul in Acts 21

 After we arrived in Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18 And the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 After he had greeted them, he began to relate one by one the things which God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law... Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; 24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law. ... 26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day, purifying himself along with them, went into the temple giving notice of the completion of the days of purification, until the sacrifice was offered for each one of them.
32. Paul says that "works" are useless for salvation, James (one of the 12) says the opposite.Are we gonna brush right past how point 25 is totally related to this?  Either He's being dishonest or ignorant in this and point 25. If "Best" believes that works are for salvation he is absolutely mistaken. Works are the fruit of salvation, not the seed. That is an important distinction. If God says "I will save you if you do this once I do" that does not mean "Do this, then I'll save you"

33. 1 John chapter 2 and 3 seem to warn against Paul as a false teacher.
As just noted and noted from point one, "Bests" judgment should not be trusted. He stated that it seems like Paul copied Smith and Mohamud even though they weren't even born until long after Paul lived and died. This is such bad reasoning that one might assume that it is a deliberate misleading.

34. Paul taught that Messiah didn't come in the flesh, but in the "likeness" of flesh, a doctrine specifically stated to be an "antichrist" doctrine according to 1 John 4. "The likeness of men" and "appearance as a man" are how Paul describes the Messiah.Just as in point 26, "Best" makes a straw man argument.

35. Paul testifies he was kicked out of the church of Asia (Ephesus,) Ephesus was then rewarded in the Book of Revelation for kicking out a "false apostle."I'll again defer to Wilbur as he cites another author:
The problem with Justin's assertion is that Paul ministered to believers in Ephesus (ever read Ephesians?). There are countless references in Acts of Paul ministering in Ephesus (Acts 18-19). Regarding 1 Timothy 1:15 in which Paul says that "all who are in Asia turned away from me," Craig Keener notes:
In context, "all" excludes at least the household of 1:16-18; in accordance with the flexibility of common language in antiquity, it means "most." Although many Jewish teachers predicted widespread apostasy for the end time or even felt that it characterized their own generation, they lamented it. This is hardly the sort of detail a later pseudepigrapher writing in Paul's name would have made up about the end of his ministry. (Keener, IVP Bible Background Commentary)

36. Paul taught the eating of food sacrificed to idols, as act CONDEMNED in the Book of Revelation chapter 2.No, He didn't. This is again making a false claim and then calling Paul false for the false claim. 119 does a breakdown. 

37. Paul says it's better to not get married like him. The Torah says otherwise. "It is not good for man to be alone."
Yeah, uh, about that...
Matthew 19:10-12
The disciples *said to Him, “If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry.” 11 But He said to them, “Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.

The disciples and the Messiah both stated what Paul has echoed, so to throw out Paul without the words of the Disciples and Messiah show the logical deficiency and or bias.

38. Paul's teaching of abstinence above all led to sexual immorality among church leaders for centuries, and it still continues.By the same logic people could attribute Yeshua making all FOOD clean in Mark 7 as contributory to all sorts of bad doctrine when Yeshua wasn't making all unclean animals food but merely deeming all that is defined as food, is clean.  Furthermore, I saw a documentary were a haitian woman read that Word of God is our "Daily bread" and she would make soup, rip out pages of the bible and put it in the broth and feed it to her kids. Do we attribute that false action to Yeshua?

39. Paul says he "being crafty, caught you with guile."The way that "Best" is trying to portray that makes no sense in the surrounding context. It does sound like Paul is refuting an accusation and sarcastically refers to an accusation against him. Like if someone accused him of being greedy, and he said "Oh yeah, I'm really greedy, so greedy that when I showed up I didn't let you pay for anything and didn't take anything from you and I went out of my way to give... I'm sooooo greedy oooooooh *jazz hands*"

40. Paul claims that it's ok to lie as long as it leads people to "Christ." (Romans 3:7)No. Just NO! This is dishonest.  It's like quoting half a verse!  Paul is illustrating that sin testifies the need for God and states that we shouldn't sin. He's using a style of argument that is very hebraic. "What should we say, should we say we should continue in sin so that grace may abound? MAY IT NEVER BE"   "Best" is selectively taking partial ideas that Paul is refuting and saying that Paul is saying something that he isn't.

41. Paul says to be all things to all people, a subtle doctrine of deceit.Wilber cites Hegg and Hegg is a power house. I'll cited Wilber Citing Hegg too.

42. There are only 12 foundations on New Jerusalem, with the 12 disciples' names written on them. Paul makes 13.This is honestly like saying "Ford makes a 12 person van, therefore that 13th person doesn't exist" this has nothing to do with authorship or Paul being commissioned. 12 gates in Jerusalem, Paul is of Benjamin and will go through the Benjamin gate.

43. There are only 12 gates leading into New Jerusalem, where's Paul's?Paul has to go in through the kitchen.

That's a joke, don't make a doctrine out of it. The gates are tribal affiliation, He's of Benjamin... so...between Manasseh and Gad.

44. Paul quotes writings of Euripedes (406 B.C.) and claims it to be the words of the Messiah ("kick against the pricks").So. Yeshua used something personal to bring about conviction to Paul. If the Spirit brought something to my attention using something in my day to day life, I could still say that the Lord spoke to me saying X,Y,Z.

45. Paul taught popular doctrines of stoicism instead of the law (deny the flesh).Paul... taught that we... should deny flesh... Like Yeshua literally said in Matthew 16
 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.
C'mon now... this is a given.

46. Paul has no witnesses to his conversion.This is the same point that has been refuted a few times here just reworded to try and pad the bill to a nice "50 point". Again, Acts 9
Now there was a disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and the Lord said to him in a vision, “Ananias.” And he said, “Here I am, Lord.” 11 And the Lord said to him, “Get up and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying, 12 and he has seen in a vision a man named Ananias come in and lay his hands on him, so that he might regain his sight.” 13 But Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem; 14 and here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name.” 15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel; 16 for I will show him how much he must suffer for My name’s sake

47. The early Ebionite and Nazarene Churches utterly rejected Paul as a false apostle.The mormon church denies caffeine, Who gives a crap. Islam denies Yeshua as Messiah. What's that got to do with anything. Atheists utterly reject God, so, applying "Best"'s "logic" we must now disqualify God due to the authority of a heretical church.

48. The other disciples did not believe Paul was a disciple in Acts 9.They sure believed he was a disciple when they sent men with him and let him stand up and speak testifying of the works of God in Acts 15.  This point is a non-point

49. The true Apostles did not defend Paul when he was imprisoned and questioned.Wilber put it better than I can:

They didn't defend Yeshua during His sentencing and crucifixion, either. So, according to Justin's logic, that must mean that Yeshua is a false Messiah

50. Paul's conversion story is almost identical to that of Pentheus, King of Thebes from the play titled Bacche, written 400 years earlier. Dionysus (instead of "Jesus") is confronting his persecutor and states "you disregard my words of warning…and kick against the pricks, a man defying god."

Similar does not mean same.  This is bad logic 
"Here in America, we had a president named George Bush. He had gray hair. He was an old white guy that wore suits. He had a wife. He ordered combat in Iraq." Which one am I referring to, H or W? If one makes the assumption that similar means same, then they're going to make all kinds of bad doctrine
Gen 10 :12
 Now there was a famine in the land; so Abram went down to Egypt to sojourn there, for the famine was severe in the land. 11 It came about when he came near to Egypt, that he said to Sarai his wife, “See now, I know that you are a beautiful woman; 12 and when the Egyptians see you, they will say, ‘This is his wife’; and they will kill me, but they will let you live. 13 Please say that you are my sister so that it may go well with me because of you, and that I may live on account of you.”
Gen 26
When the men of the place asked about his wife, he said, “She is my sister,” for he was afraid to say, “my wife,” thinking, “the men of the place might kill me on account of Rebekah, for she is beautiful.”

If we apply "Best"'s reasoning and conclusion, then that means that Issac didn't marry, that he never had the same situation. That we should disregard Gen 26 because it is a rehashing of the Abraham narrative. This is absurd.People say that the flood of Noah is just the story of Gilgamesh. People say that Samson was just Hercules. We don't rip out Genesis. We don't rip out Judges.

Instead, we should rip  out the pride that masquerades as scholarship and dictates that our understanding and reasoning is the only, ultimate understanding and that we alone have a monopoly on truth.

Thursday, March 19, 2020

Eschatology

But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 6 For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. 9 But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also.- 2 Tim 3


Now it will come about that
In the last days
The mountain of the house of the Lord
Will be established as the chief of the mountains,
And will be raised above the hills;
And all the nations will stream to it.
3 And many peoples will come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
That He may teach us concerning His ways
And that we may walk in His paths.”
For the law will go forth from Zion
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 And He will judge between the nations,
And will render decisions for many peoples;
And they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not lift up sword against nation,
And never again will they learn war. Isaiah 2

Thus says the Lord of hosts,
“Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to you.
They are leading you into futility;
They speak a vision of their own imagination,
Not from the mouth of the Lord.
17 “They keep saying to those who despise Me,
‘The Lord has said, “You will have peace”’;
And as for everyone who walks in the stubbornness of his own heart,
They say, ‘Calamity will not come upon you.’- Jere 23


Therefore prophesy, son of man, and say to Gog, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “On that day when My people Israel are living securely, will you not know it? 15 You will come from your place out of the remote parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great assembly and a mighty army; 16 and you will come up against My people Israel like a cloud to cover the land. It shall come about in the last days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog.
17 ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Are you the one of whom I spoke in former days through My servants the prophets of Israel, who prophesied in those days for many years that I would bring you against them? 18 It will come about on that day, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” declares the Lord God, “that My fury will mount up in My anger. 19 In My zeal and in My blazing wrath I declare that on that day there will surely be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all the creeping things that creep on the earth, and all the men who are on the face of the earth will shake at My presence; the mountains also will be thrown down, the steep pathways will collapse and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will call for a sword against him on all My mountains,” declares the Lord God. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 With pestilence and with blood I will enter into judgment with him; and I will rain on him and on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, a torrential rain, with hailstones, fire and brimstone. 23 I will magnify Myself, sanctify Myself, and make Myself known in the sight of many nations; and they will know that I am the Lord.”’- Ezekiel 38


And it will come about in the last days
That the mountain of the house of the Lord
Will be established as the chief of the mountains.
It will be raised above the hills,
And the peoples will stream to it.
2 Many nations will come and say,
“Come and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord
And to the house of the God of Jacob,
That He may teach us about His ways
And that we may walk in His paths.”
For from Zion will go forth the law,
Even the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
3 And He will judge between many peoples
And render decisions for mighty, distant nations.
Then they will hammer their swords into plowshares
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation will not lift up sword against nation,
And never again will they train for war.- Micah 4

And it shall be in the last days,’ God says,
‘That I will pour forth of My Spirit on all mankind;
And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
And your young men shall see visions,
And your old men shall dream dreams;
18 Even on My bondslaves, both men and women,
I will in those days pour forth of My Spirit
And they shall prophesy.
19 ‘And I will grant wonders in the sky above
And signs on the earth below,
Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke.
20 ‘The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood,
Before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come.
21 ‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’- Acts 2


in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. 3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say,
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again,
“I will be a Father to Him
And He shall be a Son to Me”?
6 And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says,
“And let all the angels of God worship Him.”
7 And of the angels He says,
“Who makes His angels winds,
And His ministers a flame of fire.”
8 But of the Son He says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.
9 “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness above Your companions.”
10 And,
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the works of Your hands;
11 They will perish, but You remain;
And they all will become old like a garment,
12 And like a mantle You will roll them up;
Like a garment they will also be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not come to an end.”
13 But to which of the angels has He ever said,
“Sit at My right hand,
Until I make Your enemies
A footstool for Your feet”? - Hebrews 1 

Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.- 2 peter 3


Behold, a day is coming for the Lord when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you. 2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle. 4 In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south. 5 You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord, my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him!

6 In that day there will be no light; the luminaries will dwindle. 7 For it will be a unique day which is known to the Lord, neither day nor night, but it will come about that at evening time there will be light.
8 And in that day living waters will flow out of Jerusalem, half of them toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea; it will be in summer as well as in winter.
God Will Be King over All
9 And the Lord will be king over all the earth; in that day the Lord will be the only one, and His name the only one.
10 All the land will be changed into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem; but Jerusalem will rise and remain on its site from Benjamin’s Gate as far as the place of the First Gate to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king’s wine presses. 11 People will live in it, and there will no longer be a curse, for Jerusalem will dwell in security.

12 Now this will be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the peoples who have gone to war against Jerusalem; their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, and their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongue will rot in their mouth. 13 It will come about in that day that a great panic from the Lord will fall on them; and they will seize one another’s hand, and the hand of one will be lifted against the hand of another. 14 Judah also will fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the surrounding nations will be gathered, gold and silver and garments in great abundance. 15 So also like this plague will be the plague on the horse, the mule, the camel, the donkey and all the cattle that will be in those camps.

16 Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths. 17 And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, there will be no rain on them. 18 If the family of Egypt does not go up or enter, then no rain will fall on them; it will be the plague with which the Lord smites the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths.

20 In that day there will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, “HOLY TO THE LORD.” And the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Every cooking pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the Lord of hosts; and all who sacrifice will come and take of them and boil in them. And there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts in that day. Zech 14

Friday, March 13, 2020

Biblical Profile: Fool

Proverbs


1:7
¶The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge;
Fools despise wisdom and instruction.

1:22
“How long, O naive ones, will you love being simple-minded?
And scoffers delight themselves in scoffing
And fools hate knowledge?

1:33
For the waywardness of the naive will kill them,
And the complacency of fools will destroy them.
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3:35
The wise will inherit honor,
But fools display dishonor.
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10:1
¶The proverbs of Solomon.
A wise son makes a father glad,
But a foolish son is a grief to his mother.

10:8
The wise of heart will receive commands,
But a babbling fool will be ruined

10:10
He who winks the eye causes trouble,
And a babbling fool will be ruined.

10:14
Wise men store up knowledge,
But with the mouth of the foolish, ruin is at hand.

10:18
He who conceals hatred has lying lips,
And he who spreads slander is a fool.

10:21
The lips of the righteous feed many,
But fools die for lack of understanding.

10:23
 Doing wickedness is like sport to a fool,
And so is wisdom to a man of understanding.
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12:1
¶Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
But he who hates reproof is stupid.

12:15
The way of a fool is right in his own eyes,
But a wise man is he who listens to counsel.

12:16
A fool’s anger is known at once,
But a prudent man conceals dishonor.

12:23
A prudent man conceals knowledge,
But the heart of fools proclaims folly.
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13:16
Every prudent man acts with knowledge,
But a fool displays folly.

13:19
Desire realized is sweet to the soul,
But it is an abomination to fools to turn away from evil.

13:20
He who walks with wise men will be wise,
But the companion of fools will suffer harm.
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14:1
¶The wise woman builds her house,
But the foolish tears it down with her own hands.

14:3
In the mouth of the foolish is a rod for his back,
But the lips of the wise will protect them.

14:7
Leave the presence of a fool,
Or you will not discern words of knowledge.

14:8
The wisdom of the sensible is to understand his way,
But the foolishness of fools is deceit.

14:9
Fools mock at sin,
But among the upright there is good will.

14:16
A wise man is cautious and turns away from evil,
But a fool is arrogant and careless.

14:17
A quick-tempered man acts foolishly,
And a man of evil devices is hated.

14:18
The naive inherit foolishness,
But the sensible are crowned with knowledge.

14:24
The crown of the wise is their riches,
But the folly of fools is foolishness
14:33
Wisdom rests in the heart of one who has understanding,
But in the hearts of fools it is made known.
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16:22
Understanding is a fountain of life to one the one who has it, but the discipline of fools is folly

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17 :7
Excellent speech is not fitting for a fool, 
Much less are lying lips to a prince.

17:10
A rebuke goes deeper into one who has understanding than a hundred blows into a fool 

17:12
Let a man meet a bear robbed of her Cubs rather than a fool in his folly 

17:16
Why is there a price in the hand of a fool to buy wisdom,
When he has no sense?

17:21
He who sires a fool does so to his sorrow,
And the father of a fool has no joy.

17:24-25
Wisdom is in the presence of the one who has understanding,
But the eyes of a fool are on the ends of the earth.
25 A foolish son is a grief to his father
And bitterness to her who bore him.

17:28
Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise;
When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent.
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18:2
A fool does not delight in understanding,
But only in revealing his own mind.

18:6
A fool’s lips bring strife,
And his mouth calls for blows.

18:7
A fool’s mouth is his ruin,
And his lips are the snare of his soul.
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19:1
Better is a poor man who walks in his integrity
Than he who is perverse in speech and is a fool.

19:3
The foolishness of man ruins his way,
And his heart rages against the Lord.

19:10
Luxury is not fitting for a fool;
Much less for a slave to rule over princes.
19:13
A foolish son is destruction to his father,
And the contentions of a wife are a constant dripping.

19:29
Judgments are prepared for scoffers,
And blows for the back of fools.
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20:3
Keeping away from strife is an honor for a man,
But any fool will quarrel.
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21:20
There is precious treasure and oil in the dwelling of the wise,
But a foolish man swallows it up.
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22:15
 Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child;
The rod of discipline will remove it far from him.
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23:9
¶Do not speak in the hearing of a fool,
For he will despise the wisdom of your words.
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24:7¶Wisdom is too exalted for a fool,
He does not open his mouth in the gate.

Thursday, March 12, 2020

Heretical Refutations

Compiled here from several references are refutations of the heretical books of Enoch, Jasher, And Jubilees. Firstly for my part I will be focusing on the idea that "Sons of God refers to angels" which is one of the major premises for Enoch. Gen 6:2 is where they derive the idea :
📖Gen 6:2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.

Scripture counters this idea in Hebrews 1:5 where it states that the Angels are not called sons of God.

📖Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did He ever say, “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”? And again, “I will be a Father to Him And He shall be a Son to Me”?

Yeshua even states that Angels don't marry in Matt 22:30
 📖Matt 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

The sons of God took wives. The Hebrew verb here, laqah, commonly describes marital transactions, including taking a wife for oneself (4:19;11:29; 12:19; 20:2,3; 25:1; 36:2,6; Exod 34:16) and taking a wife for another (Gen 21:21; 24:4, 40, 48). One might also take somebody else' wife (2 Sam. 11:4). Most of the former instances involve polygamy or potential adultery but not rape. When indiscriminate rape is described some verb like forced (2 Sam. 13:14) is necessary. Furthermore in the OT (Gen 36:2; 2 Sam 1:20, 24; Isa 3:16) benot (daughters) followed by a gentilic or place name normally designates those who are eligible for marriage, another indication that we are dealing here with marriage rather than rape (Victor Hamilton, Genesis, 1-17, Eerdmans, 1990, p. 265)


📖Gen6: 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them.

Note that it makes the distinction between Nephilim and the sons of God as being two separate groups. Nephilim are giants. Giants existed. Not demons or fallen angels. Who are the sons of God? Israel and the righteous men of faith. They are the ones that are to appear before God at the three appointed times God outlines.

📖Exodus 4:22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord, “Israel is My son, My firstborn. 23 So I said to you, ‘Let My son go that he may serve Me’; but you have refused to let him go. Behold, I will kill your son, your firstborn.”

📖Deut 16:16“Three times in a year all your males shall appear before the Lord your God in the place which He chooses, at the Feast of Unleavened Bread and at the Feast of Weeks and at the Feast of Booths, and they shall not appear before the Lord empty-handed

The idea that that sons of God means angels is also taken from Job 1:6

📖Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

When we read Job 1:6 we can see that this event is easily shown as one of the appointed times that Israel appeared before God, and makes no mention of Angels at all.
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From Joseph Schauer-
Dismantling the Book of Enoch

The Book of Enoch is NOT reliable

Contradiction #1

☠️Enoch 6:1-6
1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2 And the Angels, the children of heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another, "Come, let us choose us men from among he children of men and beget us children." 3 And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them "I fear ye will not agree indeed to do this deed, and I alone will have to pay the penalty for this great sin." 4 And they all answered him and said "Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing." 5 Then swear they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 6 And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 

Enoch is referring to the same time frame in Genesis 6:1. We know this because Genesis 6:1 says pretty much the same statement that Enoch 6:1 makes. Genesis 6:1 tells us that the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them daughters just like in Enoch 6:1. Now in Chapter 8, we see a contradictory statement. Let's have a look.

☠️Enoch 8:1
And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. 

📖Genesis 4:20-22
20 Adah bore Jabal; he was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock. 21 His brother's name was Jubal; he was the father of all those who play the lyre and pipe. 22 Zillah also bore Tubal-cain; he was the FORGER OF ALL INSTRUMENTS BRONZE AND IRON. The sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.

In Enoch 8:1 we are told that Azâzêl taught men how to work metals. Yet Genesis 4:20-22, before men multiplied on the earth like in Enoch 6:1 and Genesis 6:1, we are told that Tubal-Cain was a forger of all instruments bronze and iron. That is a contradiction to the Book of Enoch that leaves us in a position to choose either Torah or Enoch. I think it is safe to say that Torah doesn't contradict itself, Enoch does.

This Book is loaded with passages which contradict Scripture .

Contradiction #2

☠️Enoch 10:1
1 Then said The Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of alameda, and said to him: 2 "Go to Noah and tell him in my name Hide thyself!" And reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all who is on it. 

Ok, here in Enoch we are told that The Most High is about to destroy the earth.

☠️Enoch 10:8
8 And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azâzêl: to ascribe him all sin. 

Here we are told that Azâzêl is responsible for all sin. But this is not what scripture teaches. Genesis 3 tells us Adam was responsible for all sin. And the Book of Romans confirms this as well.

📖Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned.

The contradictions don’t stop there.

Contradiction #3

📖Genesis 6:13-16
13 And God said to Noah, “I have determined to make an end of all flesh, for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14 Make yourself an ark of gopher wood. Make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and out with pitch. 15 This is how you are to make it: the length of the ark 300 cubits, its breadth 50 cubits, and its height 30 cubits. 16 Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above, and set the door of the ark in its side. Make it with lower, second, and third decks.

Here we are told that God commanded Noah to build the ark. But what does Enoch say?

☠️Enoch 67:1-2
1 And in those days the word of God came unto me, and he said unto me: "Noah, thy lot has come up before me, a lot without blame, a lot of love and uprightness. 2 And now the Angels are making a wooden building, and when they have completed that task

There is a false teaching going around that originates from the Book of Enoch which postulates that reading and writing are part of the dark arts.
☠️Enoch 68:9-16The name of the fourth is Penemue: he discovered to the children of men bitterness and sweetness; And pointed out to them every secret of their wisdom. He taught men to understand writing, and [the use of] ink and paper. Therefore numerous have been those who have gone astray from every period of the world, even to this day. For men were not born for this, thus with pen and with ink to confirm their faith; Since they were not created, except that, like the angels, they might remain righteous and pure. Nor would death, which destroys everything, have effected them; But by this their knowledge they perish, and by this also [its] power consumes [them].

Here we are told that the Angel Penemue taught men how to understand writing. And that because of reading and writing, many have gone astray because writing was never meant to be for men and that writing makes men unrighteous and impure. It even appears to have stated that death itself would have never affected us if we never learned how to read and write. Let me make something crystal clear. Writing and reading does not make anyone unrighteous or impure in even the slightest sense. Writing is not part of the Dark Arts that fallen Angels taught men like this absurd passage teaches. We do not die because we know how to read and write either, we die because of our fallen sin nature which still curses and consumes us. Nowhere in Gods Law was writing ever forbidden, declared sin, nor are we told it could even make somebody ceremonially unclean. That is not a teaching from the Bible, that is a teaching from men. None of the patriarchs or prophets ever warned about the dangers of reading or writing. And as a matter of fact, The Most High God Himself wrote the 10 commandments on stone before he handed them to Moses. God would never do anything unrighteous or impure. This is one of the most blasphemous teachings that I have ever heard. To say that the men who gave us the written word of God, which was written by the Prophets, Apostles, Holy men of God and even God Himself by the power and inspiration of the Holy Spirit, were unrighteous, impure and were engaging in one of the Dark Arts given to us via fallen angels is blasphemous and heretical in every sense. This is one of the many false teachings of the Book of Enoch that adds to Scripture. Let’s look and see what the Bible has to say about adding words to Scripture.

📖Deuteronomy 4:2
You shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall you diminish from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

📖Deuteronomy 12:32
What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: you shall not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

📖Revelation 22:18-19
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

Will a Holy and Elect race from Heaven mix their seed with the children of men after the judgment?

I guess according to the Book of Enoch, a Holy and Elect race from the upper heavens will one day mix their seed with the children of men.

☠️Enoch 39:1
In those days shall the elect and holy race descend from the upper heavens, and their seed shall then be with the children of men. Enoch received books of indignation and wrath, and books of hurry and agitation.

Interesting considering the fact that proponents of the Book of Enoch claim that the entire book was written because Angels had sex with women and that act was a great sin and act of rebellion against God. Then, in Enoch 39:1 we are told that a Holy and Elect race will descend from Heaven (even though HUMANS are in SHEOL and Matthew 22 says the ANGELS IN HEAVEN DONT MARRY WOMEN) and mix their seed (a rebellious sin) in women. The contradictions in the Book of Enoch are as endless as they are silly.

And in case you are wondering, to make matters much much much much worse for defenders of the Book of Enoch, the context of this passage is AFTER THE JUDGEMENT. Meaning, after we are all judged and either given eternal life or eternal death, a Holy and elect race of heavenly beings is going to mix their seed with women. . Read for yourself.

☠️Enoch 38:2-39:2
And when the Righteous One shall appear before the eyes of the righteous, Whose elect works hang upon the Lord of Spirits, And light shall appear to the righteous and the elect who dwell on the earth, Where then will be the dwelling of the sinners, And where the resting-place of those who have denied the Lord of Spirits? It had been good for them if they had not been born. When, too, the secrets of the righteous shall be revealed, THEN SHALL SINNERS BE JUDGED; and impious men shall be afflicted in the presence of the righteous and the elect. From that period those who possess the earth shall cease to be powerful and exalted. Neither shall they be capable of beholding the countenances of the holy; for the light of the countenances of the holy, the righteous, and the elect, has been seen by the Lord of spirits. Yet shall not the mighty kings of that period be destroyed; but be delivered into the hands of the righteous and the holy. Nor thenceforwards shall any obtain commiseration from the Lord of spirits, because their lives in this world will have been completed. IN THOSE DAYS SHALL THE ELECT AND HOLY RACE DESCEND FROM THE UPPER HEAVENS, AND THEIR SEED SHALL THEN BE WITH THE CHILDREN OF MEN. Enoch received books of indignation and wrath, and books of hurry and agitation. 2. Never shall they obtain mercy, saith the Lord of spirits.

Those who are defenders of Enoch are in a tough spot here. They can’t say that this Holy and Elect race of people are fallen angels because the Book of Enoch here calls them HOLY AND ELECT. Plus, the context is after the judgement so if they were fallen angels, that would mean God judged everyone and everything and yet after the entire Revelation is revealed, angels who somehow escaped judgement (which remember, are called Holy and Elect) mix their seed with women.

They can’t call this Holy and Elect race of people good angels either. Because good angels in their view (and mine too) don’t have sex and mingle their seed with women. Matthew 22 confirms this.

And they can’t call them men either because men are in Sheol and even if men were in Heaven, well, Matthew 22 explicitly tells us that at the judgement and resurrection, men neither marry or are given in marriage but are like the angels in heaven.

This is an inescapable contradiction regardless of any view you can possibly take on identifying this race of beings from the upper heavens. The Book of Enoch is a false and contradictory polytheistic book of paganism and fairytales which teaches unorthodox and anti-Apostolic doctrines in direct conflict with Scripture. Have nothing to do with Jewish myths or fables.

📖Titus 1:13-16
13 This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sternly, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of men who have rejected the truth. 15 To the pure, all things are pure; but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure. Indeed, both their minds and their consciences are defiled. 16 They profess to know God, but they deny Him by their actions. They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit for any good deed.


Here are some more inescapable contradictions in the Book of Jasher that those who believe it have no rebuttal to for those interested in sound biblical truth and exposing error.

☠️Jasher 81:39-41
"And the Lord manifested to the children of Israel his wonders in Egypt and in the sea by the hand of Moses and Aaron. And when the children of Israel had entered the sea, the Egyptians came after them, and the waters of the sea resumed upon them, and they all sank in the water, and not one man was left excepting Pharaoh, who gave thanks to the Lord and believed in him, therefore the Lord did not cause him to perish at that time with the Egyptians. And the Lord ordered an angel to take him from amongst the Egyptians, who cast him upon the land of Ninevah and he reigned over it for a long time."

The Psalms quote says otherwise.

📖Psalms 136:15
"But overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red sea: for his mercy endureth for ever."

The contradictions in the Book of Jasher are so opposed to Scripture, it becomes clear that proponents of the Book of Jasher probably have never even read the Book of Jasher in its entirety, or the Bible for that matter. Because it should only take one read of it to see how false it is.

The Book of Jasher lists 15 plagues on the Egyptians (Book of Jasher 80:2-51). The Bible says there were 10 plagues (Exodus 7-12).

The Book of Jasher has Isaac dying after Joseph went into slavery (Book of Jasher 43:35; 47:3, 9). The Bible mentions that Isaac died before Joseph went into slavery (Genesis 35:29; 37:2).

Here are some more that I’ve spoken of in the past.

The Book of Jasher claims that Methuselah was 960 years old when he died. Have a look.

☠️Jasher 5:36
And it was at the time Methuselah the son of Enoch died, NINE HUNDRED AND SIXTY (960) YEARS OLD WAS HE AT HIS DEATH. 

This is another direct contradiction of Scripture which states that he was 969 years old when he died.

📖Genesis 5:27
27 Altogether, Methuselah lived a total of 969 years, and then he died.

The question now that we see this obvious contradiction is who do we trust? One of these Book are lying and divine books from God do not lie and they certainly don’t contradict themselves. Which book do we throw in the trash here? Genesis? Or Jasher?

☠️Jasher 5:19-20
And Lamech the father of Noah, died in those days; yet verily he did not go with all his heart in the ways of his father, and he died in the hundred and ninety-fifth year of the life of Noah. AND ALL THE DAYS OF LAMECH WERE SEVEN HUNDRED AND SEVENTY (770) YEARS, AND HE DIED. 

What does the Bible say about this though? Let’s have a look.

📖Genesis 5:30
30 After Noah was born, Lamech lived 595 years and had other sons and daughters. 31 Altogether, LAMECH LIVED A TOTAL OF 777 YEARS, and then he died.

As a matter of fact, there are two contradictions in this small passage here. Lol. In Jasher 5:19, it tells us that Lamech the father of Noah died in the 195 year of the life of Noah. But, Genesis 5:30 states that after Noah was born, he lived for 595 years. Jasher is off by about 400 years here. I may as well post the passages again for those who missed it.

Jashers 195 year account.

☠️Jasher 5:19-20
And LAMECH THE FATHER IF NOAH, DIED IN THISE DAYS; yet verily he did not go with all his heart in the ways of his father, AND HE DIED IN THE HUNDRED AND NINETY-FIFTH YEAR OF THE LIFE OF NOAH. And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred and seventy years, and he died.
Here is another contradiction in the false book of Jasher. The false book of Jasher makes the claim that Lamech, the father of Noah, died at 770 years of age. This is a direct contradiction to what Genesis states about Lamech which says that Lamech died and 777 years of age. 

Genesis 595 year account.

📖Genesis 5:30
30 AFTER NOAH WAS BORN, LAMECH LIVED 595 YEARS AND HAD OTHER SONS AND DAUGHTERS. 31 Altogether, LAMECH LIVED A TOTAL OF 777 YEARS, and then he died.

Just because a book is quoted in Scripture, doesn’t mean it is inspired. The Apostle Paul quoted an erotic greek poet once (Titus 11:12) and even agreed with him. The prophets did stuff like that too. Just because a book is quoted, does make it Scripture. Especially if it contradicts Torah.

📖Titus 1:13-16
13 This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sternly, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of men who have rejected the truth. 15 To the pure,

There’s a growing belief out here that says that the Bible teaches us that sirens are real. And since many confused Christians twist Isaiah 13:21 to be a prooftext for their paganism, I thought it be wise to take a good look at this passage and see if it adds up.

📖Isaiah 13:21
21 But desert creatures will lie there, jackals will fill her houses; there the ostrich (יענה) will dwell, and there the wild goats will leap about.

The Hebrew word for ostrich in Isaiah 13:21 is yaanah or יענה and it means “unclean bird.” The Law of First Mention is a hermeneutical principle that may be said to be the principle that requires one to go to that portion of the Scriptures where a doctrine or word is mentioned for the first time and to study the first occurrence of the same in order to get the fundamental inherent meaning of that doctrine or word. In the case of Isaiah 13:21, we encounter the word “yaanah” but it is not the first time that we see this word in the Scriptures.
The first time that we see this word is in Torah laws (Leviticus 11, Deuteronomy 14). The meaning behind the hebrew word yaanah is “unclean bird.” It makes no sense to say that it means “siren” like many people are starting to believe. In Greek/Pagan mythology, sirens were 1/2 bird, 1/2 women creatures who would lure sailors with their seductive singing into shipwreck. We are also told in 2 Timothy 4:3-4 that we are not to entertain silly myths and fables. The Most High didn’t command people not to eat “sirens” in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14 where the hebrew word yaanah appears. He commanded them not to eat unclean birds. That is what the entire chapters of Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14 are about.
The Greek Septuagint (LXX) uses the word “Seirenes” or σειρῆνες to describe these creatures. And although the word does mean siren in Greek, you can NOT use Greek words to change the Hebrew meaning of a word. For example, the Hebrew word Sheol is used over 60 times to describe what happens to somebody and where they go when they die. Now, in the Greek Septuagint (LXX), the Greek word used for the Hebrew word Sheol (שאול) is “Hades” (ᾅδου). Hades was a Greek mythological name of the place where the Greeks thought that they go after death. Now, the reason why the Septuagint uses this term isn’t because the Bible is in support of greek myths. Nor was there a conspiracy to change the Hebrew Scriptures into a watered down Greek myth. It was used because that is the best Greek word that the Hebrew writers had to describe the place which was written about. In the case of sirens or σειρῆνες, the reason why the Hebrew writers probably choose this word is because it captures the sounds and danger and luring aspect along with probably the spookiness or a haunting factor of Babylon after its destruction. Given the fact that the Septuagint could be so loosely translated at times, there are many reasons why that word could have been translated that way from Hebrew to Greek. Greek myths being real isn’t one of those reasons. That passage doesn’t make sense if that was really what the author intended to convey here.

Just for kicks, let’s have a look at the passage and see if it makes any sense with the word siren in place of ostrich there.

📖Isaiah 13:21
21 But desert creatures will lie there, jackals will fill her houses; there the siren (יענה) will dwell, and there the wild goats will leap about.

Why would Isaiah talk about all of these animals and then all of a sudden, quickly bring up a Greek mythological monster and then casually move on with his passage? Don’t you think that if Isaiah is going to tell us about supernatural monsters infesting the area of ancient Babylon, he would have expounded more on that passage? Why would literal sirens (evil mermaid like creatures that lived in the sea) now be in the desert and ruins of the deserted city of Babylon? That makes absolutely no sense. Plus, the fulfillment of this prophecy also complicates the issue of sirens here whether this prophecy be fulfilled or unfulfilled. If this prophecy is fulfilled, where are the sirens in the middle of the desert of ancient Babylon? They’re nowhere to be found. And if this is an unfulfilled prophecy like many Black Hebrew Israelites believe and it takes place right before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, well, why is Jesus coming back to destroy sinners and usher in a millennial age of peace on earth but allow sirens to live in that area? That makes absolutely no sense. This is sensationalism defiling people at its finest. To say that the word “Seirene” or “σειρῆνες” is talking about literal sirens here is absolutely absurd in every sense and fails logic on many accounts. The word was clearly used to express other meanings, just like Hades was used to talk about Sheol. My recommendation from this point forward is that you really begin to learn what the Hebrew is teaching you before you dig into the Greek. Because many times, people read into the Greek and pick up on the Greek and pagan doctrines and philosophies because that’s what pagans are wired to pick up on and believe. Keep your calm and study the Hebrew first though so you aren’t carried away by these strange pagan and gnostic Greek doctrines. You’re going to want to play it safe because if you don’t, you’ll end up defiling yourself with paganism and once that happens you’ll start attacking people who don’t hold to your pagan beliefs that you’ve injected into the text.

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Regarding the Canon.
First, the Jews themselves never accepted the Deuterocanonical books that Orthodox and Catholic Christians accept.
-We actually see the concept of a closed canon of the OT within the Intertestamental period between Malachi and Matthew.
-The introduction to Sirach/Ecclesiasticus by the author introduces the Law, Prophets, Minor prophets as the Canon.
-And we see in 2 Macc. 2:13-14 where the Scriptures themselves are inside of the temple.
-And Josephus in his work to Apion lists the 22 Books (Jews counted differently their books, they never separated it into 1 & 2, 3, 4 etc.).
-Philo of Alexandria does the same as well. The council of Jamnia in 90 AD which was on the canon never did as well.
-Now going on to the Christians. Both the earliest list of canons by Melito of Sardis and Origen are recorded in Eusebius "Ecclesiastical History" and mentions the same canon as the Jews.
-Eusebius himself gives list of the books which are canonical, spurious, not listed, etc. And mentions the same amount of both OT and NT books.
-Cyril of Jerusalem in his catechetical lectures in 350 AD list the same as well.
-Hilary of Poitiers list OT books. Never mentions them. Circa 360 AD.
-The Synod of Laodicea in 363 AD had to do with the Canon of Scripture, never mentions them.
-Athanasius in his 39th Festal epistle mentions the entire canon, not a single one of them.
-In the 380's, you had Gregory of Nazianzus, Basil the Great, Amphilocius of Iconium, and Epiphanius of Salamis give their canons and not one of those books are mentioned.
-Jerome, the editor and creator of the Latin Vulgate, was very learnt into Hebrew and never accepted those books as canonical.
-Augustine, at first did believe those books to be Scriptural/canonical, and as a result both the councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397) were influenced by him to accept them.
-But later on, came to view them as historical rather than prophetical. See "City of God: Book 18, Chapter 36"
-Rufinus never accepted them. Neither did Leontius of Byzantium, Catalogue of the Sixty Books, Stichometery of Nicephorus, John of Damascus etc.
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Raymond Richard’

I'm curious how proponents of “Enoch” balance their view in light of these verses from the Canon when compared with “Enoch:”

📖John 3:13, “No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.”

📖Hebrews 11:5 and 13, “5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.” For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.
13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; •they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance•, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth.

Here is where Jubilees contradicts John and Hebrews:

☠️Jub 4:16-25, “And in the eleventh jubilee [512-18 A.M.] Jared took to himself a wife, and her name was Baraka, the daughter of Râsûjâl, a daughter of his father's brother, in the fourth week of this jubilee, [522 A.M.] and she bare him a son in the fifth week, in the fourth year of the jubilee, and he called his name Enoch.
And he was the first among men that are born on earth who learnt writing and knowledge and wisdom and who wrote down the signs of heaven according to the order of their months in a book, that men might know the seasons of the years according to the order of their separate months.
And he was the first to write a testimony and he testified to the sons of men among the generations of the earth, and recounted the weeks of the jubilees, and made known to them the days of the years, and set in order the months and recounted the Sabbaths of the years as we made (them), known to him.
And what was and what will be he saw in a vision of his sleep, as it will happen to the children of men throughout their generations until the day of judgment; he saw and understood everything, and wrote his testimony, and placed the testimony on earth for all the children of men and for their generations.
And in the twelfth jubilee, [582-88] in the seventh week thereof, he took to himself a wife, and her name was Edna, the daughter of Danel, the daughter of his father's brother, and in the sixth year in this week [587 A.M.] she bare him a son and he called his name Methuselah.
And he was moreover with the angels of God these six jubilees of years, and they showed him everything which is on earth and in the heavens, the rule of the sun, and he wrote down everything.
And he testified to the Watchers, who had sinned with the daughters of men; for these had begun to unite themselves, so as to be defiled, with the daughters of men, and Enoch testified against (them) all.
And he was taken from amongst the children of men, and we conducted him into the Garden of Eden in majesty and honour, and behold there he writes down the condemnation and judgment of the world, and all the wickedness of the children of men.
And on account of it (God) brought the waters of the flood upon all the land of Eden; for there he was set as a sign and that he should testify against all the children of men, that he should recount all the deeds of the generations until the day of condemnation.
And he burnt the incense of the sanctuary, (even) sweet spices acceptable before the Lord on the Mount.

Now, I will lay out what “Enoch” states. Here where and how the Book of “Enoch” contradicts Scripture:👇🏻

☠️1 Enoch 17-33 establishes that Angels literally the Angels chaperoning “Enoch” literally took him places around earth. Notice the language. It is the same language use in chapter 39-52, and 82 which revealed that “Enoch” is given a bodily tour of heaven and then bodily returned to his home. This language during this visial tour is •strongly contrasted• with that of Chapters 83-85 which show that Enoch received a “dream vision” while lying down in his house. During these chapters, Enoch does not go anywhere and only is shown things. Notice the how The language is very different:
☠️1 Enoch 17:1-2a, “•And they took and brought me to a place• in which those who were there were like flaming fire, 2 and, when they wished, they appeared as men. And they brought me to the place of darkness, and to a mountain the point of whose summit reached to heaven.”
☠️1 Enoch 21:1-4, “•And I proceeded• to where things were chaotic. And I saw there something horrible: I saw neither 3 a heaven above nor a firmly founded earth, but a place chaotic and horrible. And there I saw 4 seven stars of the heaven bound together in it, like great mountains and burning with fire.”
☠️1 Enoch 22:1-2 he’s taken to see Sheol: “•And thence I went to another place,• and he mountain [and] of hard rock. 2 And there was in it four hollow places, deep and wide and very smooth. How smooth are the hollow places and deep and dark to look at.”
☠️In 1 Enoch 23:1-4, we see Enoch back in proximity of heaven, “From thence I went to another place to the west of the ends of the earth•. And I saw a burning 3 fire which ran without resting, and paused not from its course day or night but (ran) regularly. And 4 I asked saying: 'What is this which rests not?' Then Raguel, one of the holy angels who was with me, answered me and said unto me: 'This course of fire which thou hast seen is the fire in the west which persecutes all the luminaries of heaven.'
☠️1 Enoch 33:9-14 we see Enoch see things in heaven with his own eyes, “In those days I praised and extolled the name of the Lord of Spirits with blessings and praises, because He hath destined me for blessing and glory according to the good pleasure of the Lord of 10 Spirits. For a long time my eyes regarded that place, and I blessed Him and praised Him, saying: 'Blessed is He, and may He be blessed from the beginning and for evermore. And before Him there is no ceasing. He knows before the world was created what is for ever and what will be from 12 generation unto generation. Those who sleep not bless Thee: they stand before Thy glory and bless, praise, and extol, saying: "Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of Spirits: He filleth the earth with 13 spirits."' And here my eyes saw all those who sleep not: they stand before Him and bless and say: 'Blessed be Thou, and blessed be the name of the Lord for ever and ever.' And my face was changed; for I could no longer behold.”

 And here in Chapters 41, 52, and 82 we have the Death Knell for 1st Enoch:

☠️41:1-2, “And after that I saw all the secrets of the heavens, and how the kingdom is divided, and how the 2 actions of men are weighed in the balance. And there I saw the mansions of the elect and the mansions of the holy, and mine eyes saw there all the sinners being driven from thence which deny the name of the Lord of Spirits, and being dragged off: and they could not abide because of the punishment which proceeds from the Lord of Spirits.”
☠️1 Enoch 52:1-5, “And after those days in that place where I had seen all the visions of that which is hidden -for 2 •I had been carried off in a whirlwind and they had borne me towards the west-There mine eyes saw all the secret things of heaven that shall be•, a mountain of iron, and a mountain of copper, and a mountain of silver, and a mountain of gold, and a mountain of soft metal, and a mountain of lead. 3 And I asked the angel who went with me, saying, 'What things are these which I have seen in 4 secret?' And he said unto me: 'All these things which thou hast seen shall serve the dominion of His Anointed that he may be potent and mighty on the earth.' 5 And that angel of peace answered, saying unto me: 'Wait a little, and there shall be revealed unto thee all the secret things which surround the Lord of Spirits.”
☠️1 Enoch 81:2-5, “And I observed the heavenly tablets, and read everything which was written (thereon) and understood everything, and read the book of all the deeds of mankind, and of all the children of flesh 3 that shall be upon the earth to the remotest generations. And forthwith I blessed the great Lord the King of glory for ever, in that He has made all the works of the world,And I extolled the Lord because of His patience, And blessed Him because of the children of men. 4 And after that I said 
' Blessed is the man who dies in righteousness and goodness,
Concerning whom there is no book of unrighteousness written,
And against whom no day of judgement shall be found.'5 And those seven holy ones brought me and placed me on the earth before the door of my house...”

As I mentioned, here is where we see The author of “Enoch” differentiate between
when he has a dream vision versus actually seeing:

☠️1 Enoch 83:1-4a, “1And now, my son Methuselah, I will show thee all my visions which I have seen, recounting 2 them before thee. Two visions I saw before I took a wife, and the one was quite unlike the other: the first when I was learning to write: the second before I took thy mother, (when) I saw a terrible 3 vision. And regarding them I prayed to the Lord. I had laid me down in the house of my grandfather Mahalalel, (when) I saw in a vision how the heaven collapsed and was borne off and fell to 4 the earth. 
☠️1 Enoch 85:1-2, “And after this I saw another dream, and I will show the whole dream to thee, my son. And Enoch lifted up (his voice) and spake to his son Methuselah...”
Bible teachers that promote conspiracies regarding the “destruction of God’s Scriptures” or that “these books were hidden for the last day” not only deny God’s Providence and Sovereignty but are also contradicted by Paul:

Romans 8:38-39 takes on a whole new meaning when we Scripturally contextualize Agapē as meaning, “The love that comes from selflessly obeying and being the recipient of selfless obedience to God’s righteous Law:

📖Romans 8:38-39
38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[a] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the •love of God• that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Strongs 26, Agapēs, noun)

📖1 John 5:3,
For this is the •love of God,• that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.(Strongs 26, Agapēs, Love: Noun)

It’s the #FruitOfWolves to tell you that mere mortal or angels or men can separate God’s people from His Love or His commandments that tell us how to Love. God’s Providence and Sovereignty is greater than the schemes men or demons.
If books were hidden that keep the “true” instructions of God from us, then that makes them too burdensome to accomplish.

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