Sunday, April 18, 2021

Sons of God are Humans.

...and a pretty awesome name of a Hebrew Biker gang. 

This post will spend a little bit on Genesis 6 and the context of the sons of God relation to the Daughters of Men and the Nephilim, but it is primarily a study on who the sons of God are. After reading the Genesis 6 account and seeing that I believe the term "Sons of God" a reference to humans of obedience, I went and I listed every occurrence that I could find the term in scripture. I have found that every instance as listed below can and likely should, refer to humans. Especially due to the law of first mention.  This started in Genesis 6, where the previous chapter lists a specific class of the lineage of Adam and how God is marked as the foremost of the lineage of Adam. One way to say that would be that Adam, was a son of God. I see that the start of Genesis 5 parallels what we see in the lineage of Yeshua  the Messiah

This is the book of the generations of Adam. On the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them “mankind” on the day when they were created. - Gen 5

 

  the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God- Luke 3:38

The scripture that is controversial is the passage of Gen 6 which states as follows:

That the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.- Gen 6
There are some that render sons of God in the text to mean angels, instead of what I believe would be more accurately appropriate as a classification of righteous decedents that were beginning to stray from the righteous walk.  I believe that we can see in Genesis 4 the fallen men starting with Cain, and his sons. Genesis 5 being a classification of sons that were walking upright. Genesis 6 shows that those walking upright began to marry those that were from the camp of fallen men on the basis of their beauty.  We know that there was a sacrifice or offering in place from Genesis 4 where God warned Cain of his anger and that his face was Fallen 


So I'm looking at a thing in Genesis right, and I note that the primitive root for Nephilim:
From נָפַל (H5307) Variant spellings for this word: נפיל (Strongs and Gesenius) נפל (Strongs)

is 

H5307 - nāp̄al naw-fal' נָפַל nâphal, naw-fal'; a primitive root; to fall, in a great variety of applications (intransitive or causative, literal or figurative):—be accepted, cast (down, self, (lots), out), cease, die, divide (by lot), (let) fail, (cause to, let, make, ready to) fall (away, down, -en, -ing), fell(-ing), fugitive, have (inheritance), inferior, be judged (by mistake for 6419), lay (along), (cause to) lie down, light (down), be ( hast) lost, lying, overthrow, overwhelm, perish, present(-ed, -ing), (make to) rot, slay, smite out,  surely, throw down.


And this second one, is where God says
Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why is your face Naphal?

 Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and I will be hidden from Your face, and I will be a wanderer and a drifter on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.” 15 So the Lord said to him, “Therefore whoever kills Cain, vengeance will be taken on him seven times as much.” And the Lord placed a mark on Cain, so that no one finding him would kill him.
16 Then Cain left the presence of the Lord, and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.


The connection of Nephilim and God pointing to Cains face as fallen may seem coincidental at first, unless we factor in that Cain and his sons were men of violence, and the Nephilim caused violence. 
Cain had left the presence of the Lord.  From Adam you have sons of God and Cain who left the presence of the Lord.  If there is a tribe headed by the original murderer, who is renowned in history for being one that takes life, the text shows that his child(ren)  follow suit it stands to reason that violence is a defining feature for that group.  
When we see these sons of God( from righteous classification of men)- taking actual wives the daughters of men (pagan/ polygamist group) we can safely conclude that it resulted in violence, if it were a matter of angels entering into a covenant of marriage that would violate that Yeshua says it doesn't happen. We see Men, taking women, in a time where there were men of violence and murder, who were before and after the flood.  If the flood was to eradicate a race of angel half breed human experiments, then why would Noah be allowed to preach for them to join on the Ark? 

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, held for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly- 2 Peter 2 
What we find in Gen 6 is that God is grieved with Man, and then God limits the life of Man, and then God destroys the world because of the violence of Men. There is nothing in the text to suggest that angels fit better.  Furthermore if we look at that passage in 2 Peter chapter 2, it states that fallen angels were cast into hell, pits of darkness held for judgement, not cast to earth and allowed to willfully enter into covenant of marriage with women after developing the physical anatomy to be able to do so. 
A camp of men who kill and take what they want fits context better to explain why Abraham journeyed to what would be his distant cousins and told his wife to pretend that she's his sister for fear that he'd be murdered and they take her. 

moving on. 

 “You are sons of the Lord your God; you shall not cut yourselves nor shave a bald spot above your forehead for the dead. For you are a holy people to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for His personal possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.- Deut 14:1-2


I think this is pretty clear that its not referencing Angels. Some might argue that this is not using a very specific "B'nei Elohim"  but it is saying Ben Yehova Elohim which renders that argument even useless seeing as this is a greater context. 

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.- Job 1:6 
Again, there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the Lord.- Job 2:1

I have linked these two together because the same point stands for both of them. The word angel is not used here. There is no reason for us to insert it here. We see that that these sons of God came to present themselves before God, and Satan also came.  We read in 2 Peter 2 that the fallen angels were held in a pit in darkness awaiting judgement so why would they be called sons of God any way? Cain in his rebellion did not retain such a title. There is no reason to believe that this passage is referring to angels. So what is it referring to? I say its referring to obedient faithful humans. 
“Three times a year all your males shall appear before the LORD your God at the place which He chooses: at the Feast of Unleavened Bread, at the Feast of Weeks, and at the Feast of Booths; and they are not to appear before the LORD empty-handed. - Deut 16:16

The call of righteous men coming at an appointed time and the specific significance of Satan coming at the appointed time to afflict someone does not make humans become Angels. 


When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy?- Job 38:7

This is one that gets leaned on fairly heavily by those that support that Gen 6 is talking about angels being the sons of God. They state that sons of God means angels , because stars could mean angels, and this has the stars and sons side by side.  One of several problems with this is that angels isn't in the text, and that is making several leaps and assumptions in order to make a case that is logically inconsistent with the rest of the chapter and other passages. Lets break this down with two points. 1 this is from a chapter of imagery and great sarcasm on behalf of God to really drive His point home with Job and put Job in check.  If we are to take this passage as literal then here are other passages that we have to do the same thing with from the same passage:

We have to figure out when exactly it was that Job walked along the bottom of the ocean and was hanging out under the sea:
“Have you entered the springs of the sea,
And walked in the depth of the ocean?
We have to determine that there is a literal actual storehouse where God keeps all His snow and ice 
Have you entered the storehouses of the snow,
And have you seen the storehouses of the hail

 And this:

 “Where is the way to the dwelling of light?
And darkness, where is its place,
20 That you would take it to its territory,
And discern the paths to its home?
21 You know, for you were born then,
And the number of your days is great!
If we are to take this passage as literal, then we must deduce that God is actually mad at Job not for being self righteous and taking issue with the sovereignty of God as the rest of the book shows, but instead craft a doctrine where God is mad at this immortal Job who has lived forever and just forgotten how creation actually unfolded. This is not how we should study these things. This is a common mistake. I mentioned that there were 2 points, one was showing from the same chapter the errors of saying that stars and sons of God singing means angels. Lets look at the entirety of Psalms 148 as it pertains to rendering Job 38: 7 



Praise the Lord!
Praise the Lord from the heavens;
Praise Him in the heights!
2 Praise Him, all His angels;
Praise Him, all His heavenly armies!
3 Praise Him, sun and moon;
Praise Him, all stars of light!
4 Praise Him, highest heavens,
And the waters that are above the heavens!
5 They are to praise the name of the Lord,
For He commanded and they were created.
6 He has also established them forever and ever;
He has made a decree, and it will not pass away.

7 Praise the Lord from the earth,
Sea monsters, and all the ocean depths;
8 Fire and hail, snow and clouds;
Stormy wind, fulfilling His word;
9 Mountains and all hills;
Fruit trees and all cedars;
10 Animals and all cattle;
Crawling things and winged fowl;
11 Kings of the earth and all peoples;
Rulers and all judges of the earth;
12 Both young men and virgins;
Old men and children.

13 They are to praise the name of the Lord,
For His name alone is exalted;
His majesty is above earth and heaven.
14 And He has lifted up a horn for His people,
Praise for all His godly ones,
For the sons of Israel, a people near to Him.
Praise the Lord!

So to render Job 38:7 to mean angels even though it doesn't say angels- but other passages mention things that could be theorized as similar  things, if we were to go forward that way we must deduce that:

  Angels are :Sea monsters, ocean depths; Fire and hail, snow and clouds; Stormy wind, fulfilling His word; Mountains and all hills; Fruit trees and all cedars; armies; sun and moon; all stars of light; highest heavens, the waters that are above the heavens  Animals and all cattle; Crawling things and winged fowl; Kings of the earth and all peoples; Rulers and all judges of the earth;  Both young men and virgins; Old men and children.
....is there anything that angels aren't in this doctrine? Lets move on


“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.- Matthew 5:9

Faithful righteous people who are seekers of peace and not seekers of war or perpetuators of conflict, will be called sons of God. 


 Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and the women are given in marriage, 35 but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 for they cannot even die anymore, for they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. 37 But as for the fact that the dead are raised, even Moses revealed this in the passage about the burning bush, where he calls the Lord the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. - Luke 20
1.  The sons of this age- humans
2. Will be worthy to attain that age/ be Resurrected from the dead
3. Will not being given into marriage  like the angels, contrast with gen 6 sons of God took wives from the daughters of men. 
4. This is all in a response to marriage that we will be sons of God 


For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons and daughters of God.- Romans 8:14
Those being led by the Spirit of God will be sons and daughters (both) of God. Angels are spirit. Angels haven't a gender. 

For the eagerly awaiting creation waits for the revealing of the sons and daughters of God.- Romans 8:19

The time of Salvation where God will say to His people well done good and faithful servant. 

 as He also says in Hosea: “I will call those who were not My people, ‘My people,
And her who was not beloved, ‘beloved.’”26 “And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘you are not My people,’ There they shall be called sons of the living God.”27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Though the number of the sons of Israel may be like the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved; - Romans 9:25-27
Romans 9 is stating that the sons of God (and Daughters) are the Remnant. There has always been a remnant of God and that they are People, not angels 

For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus.- Galatians 3:26
Short, Simple Concise. 

Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!” - Galatians 4:6

The conclusion is clear. Nowhere does Sons of God say angels and in several places over and over again sons of God (and Daughters of God) are humans. 



Monday, April 5, 2021

Stars and sons singing



Job 38

5Who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the measuring line over it?
6 On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 “Or who enclosed the sea with doors When it went out from the womb, bursting forth;




Psalm 148 
 Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens;  Praise Him in the heights!
2 Praise Him, all His angels; Praise Him, all His heavenly armies!
3 Praise Him, sun and moon; Praise Him, all stars of light!
4 Praise Him, highest heavens, And the waters that are above the heavens!
5 They are to praise the name of the Lord, For He commanded and they were created.
6 He has also established them forever and ever; He has made a decree, and it will not pass away.
7 Praise the Lord from the earth, Sea monsters, and all the ocean depths;
8 Fire and hail, snow and clouds; Stormy wind, fulfilling His word;
9 Mountains and all hills; Fruit trees and all cedars;
10 Animals and all cattle; Crawling things and winged fowl;
11 Kings of the earth and all peoples; Rulers and all judges of the earth;
12 Both young men and virgins; Old men and children.
13They are to praise the name of the Lord, For His name alone is exalted;
His majesty is above earth and heaven. 
14 And He has lifted up a horn for His people, Praise for all His godly ones,

For the sons of Israel, a people near to Him.

Praise the Lord!


Saturday, April 3, 2021

Nephilim and Gen 6

I know that I have done this topic before, but it came up again so I'm writing it again.



Gen 6
Now it came about, when mankind began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.



This text spawns (heh) all kinds of theory. One things that people like to say is that the Nephilim are fallen angels that boned down some earth chicks and boom- giants. That is not how i see it and allow me to present why I don't see it that way. 

Ok, lets break this apart. 
  • 1. Now it came about, when mankind began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them

Mankind began to multiply daughters- this is important context. 

  • 2  that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.

The sons of God are supposed to be angels. as it were, I don't see how they took wives when Yeshua shows us that in Matthew 20:30 Angels don't get married. I don't think that is something that demons get to do either... especially since a demon would despise a holy covenant, the concept of monogamy , would likely be more into fornication- its just doesn't track for a lot of reasons. 

 Matt 20:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.



I'm trying to follow where demons getting kicked out of heaven get to be called sons of God where the scriptures say the contrary Hebrews 1

5 For to which of the angels did He ever say,
You are My Son, Today I have fathered You”?
And again,
I will be a Father to Him And He will be a Son to Me”?

That answer, is none.  There is no like, Angel named like, Craig or something up there that God calls a son... because if there were, this passage in Hebrews would be about Craig the adopted Angel of God, instead of being about Yeshua and the work He has done. 
So, to start with the supposition that Sons of God meant Angels, it to read into the text.
I know, some people will be like BUT JAY WHAT ABOUT THE TIMES WHERE- and I will answer that now. 


 Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.

You might think "Ha there, see, that says that angels presented themselves before the LORD" and then I would have to point out that doesn't say that angels presented themselves before the LORD, it says that the sons of God presented themselves- this verse in Job does NOT tell us who these sons are. I don't believe that they're Craig the adopted Angel of God.  I'll tell you who I do think they are in a minute but I want to at least break down the passage in full. 

  • 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.”
So, God gets upset at Men and limits the age of Men. 

  • 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
There you have it, these Nephilim were on the earth when the sons of God came into the daughters of mankind.  It doesn't say that the Nephilim were the sons of God, it says that they were on the earth at the time that the sons of God went for the hot chicks of the daughters of men.  Mighty men who were of old- as in early men- men of renown, as in- known reputation. 

So lets run together what it isn't before I get to what I believe it is


Gen 6 does NOT say 


Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that  the sons of God "the giant outcast fallen angels which would be demons that managed to retain the title of sons of God after rebelling against the Most High and being kicked out of heaven"- saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they "decided to invent marriage and monogamy and grow genitals and developed seeds and genetic code". 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years - "And I'm punishing man because angels are trying to bone down those daughters.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons  "and those Angels were the sons of God" came in to the daughters of mankind "humans", and they bore children to them  "A race of half man- half demon demi-god super powered mutant people". Those were the mighty men "demi-god giants super mutants" who were of old, men  "demi-god giants super mutants" of renown.



None of that makes any sense, Its sensational for sure, but its not theologically consistent So, what would be? Lets go back to that Job verse, what ARE the sons of God? 

 Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.



We established from Hebrews and from the Messiah in Matthew that its not speaking of Craig the adopted Angel of God or Angels, so what DOES this mean that sons of God came to present themselves. 

Deuteronomy 16:16
Three times a year all your males shall appear before the LORD your God at the place which He chooses: at the Feast of Unleavened Bread, at the Feast of Weeks, and at the Feast of Booths; and they are not to appear before the LORD empty-handed.

This puts that Job verse in context of men having to appear before God, it doesn't say anything about Angels. We have no verses calling Angels sons of God- but we do have verse calling MEN God's sons

Romans 8:14
For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons and daughters of God.


How can a demon/ fallen angel of God that was kicked out heaven be listed as "following the Spirit of God"

Luke 6:35
But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.

John 1:12-13
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 11:52
and not for the nation only, but in order that He might also gather together into one the children of God who are scattered abroad.

The righteous are the ones that are followers of God- they are called sons. 

 Gen 4 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is too great to endure! 14 Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and I will be hidden from Your face, and I will be a wanderer and a drifter on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.

Cain, after being one who fell his brother, an attacker had a bunch of daughters.  Note that Cain can't be called a son of God anymore, He's murdered his bro. And Cain's sons aren't called sons of God because they're murderers too 

Gen 4
 Lamech said to his wives,
Adah and Zillah,
Listen to my voice,
You wives of Lamech,
Pay attention to my words,
For I have killed a man for wounding me
;
And a boy for striking me!



So in the chapters you see two differing groups of people. Cains group - who are not sons of God - not obediant- murderers who HAVE A BUNCH OF DAUGHTERS.
- A NEPHLEM :
נְפִיל nᵉphîyl, nef-eel'; or נְפִל nᵉphil; from H5307; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:—giant.

Not a fallen Angel, but a Bully or Tyrant 

If you look at Gen 5 it starts out from God- with no mention of Cain in the genealogy

1¶This is the book of the generations of Adam. On the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.

Contrary to 4 being about Cain being hidden from God's face

Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and I will be hidden from Your face, and I will be a wanderer and a drifter on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

Righteous lineage- sons of God from Adam
Unrighteous lineage- many daughters and worldliness and murder and not righteous- hidden from Gods face


Now, lets read it again in context 

  • Now it came about, when mankind began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,

Mankind is multiplying and daughters are born from the men 

  •  2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
The genealogy of the righteous lineage that is obedient, saw that the worldly and sinful decedents of  mankind were attractive- some of those guys even taking two wives, multiple wives have been an issue for many Israelites- look at Solomon and David 

  • 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.”

God gets upset about these righteous men being corrupted away by the worldly women which has been an issue with Israel - quite literally since the beginning of time here

  • 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
The Nephilim were also on the earth in those days and after those days - Nephilim being a feller/bully/tyrant- AS IN ONE WHO CUTS DOWN HIS BRETHERINE IN HIS LIFE. The reference to Orion is that it is the constellation of the HUNTER- As in, HUNTER OF MEN like Cain and like Lamech, FELLERS/REBELS/APOSTATES - branching away from the ways of righteous




This is explained in Gen 6:5 
  Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually.

God wasn't grieved that fallen demons created a half race of celestial people... God was grieved that even the righteous hearts could be corrupted to wickedness. All the people were choosing wicked living except Noah. 

 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

Not because he was the only one without a demonic genetic code or some sort of demon man hybrid, but something less sensational and far less scandalous... he loved God and God loved him back. 


Look at the issue at hand with these Nephilim 
11 Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 And God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for humanity had corrupted its way upon the earth.

HUMANITY HAD CORRUPTED ITS WAY, NOT DEMONS, NOT FALLEN ANGELS FROM A TEXT TAHT DOESN'T EVEN MENTION ANGELS

Mankind was choosing sin instead of God- it was choosing the way of the tyrant, the bully, the murderer.. It was full of murderers. 
 Then God said to Noah, “The end of humanity has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of people; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.

HE says nothing about a race of hybrid demon people. Do we believe that these Half angels survived the flood? Does that make any sense that God saw a race of demon people so He flooded the earth in order to allow MORE demon people hybrids to be made right away? 

Or... is it more to the point that there was a culture of dominance and killing the weaker and smaller, felling those that displeased you. Being a bully, A tyrant., and when the earth began to repopulate this sort of tribal savagry took place again. 

Dear Messianics

 Scripture has this to say to those who are hostile to our Christian brothers and sisters.   What then? Are we better than they? Not at all...