Expanded S.O.G.

 The theories of Genesis 6 are as follow 

1. Angels mated with human women & Nephilim are offspring of Angels and human women creating giants 
2. Sons of God refers to obedient men in contrast to Daughters of men which would be secular women and Nephilim are men


Job:

Some say that Job is reference to Angels where it says in Job 1

6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

and chapter 2

Again, there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the Lord.

The fact that "sons of God" appeared before the Lord does not automatically mean that the sons of God are angels and there is nothing in the text to support that. What is more harmonious to the totality of scripture, in my opinion, is that the sons of God are the righteous and obedient men.

If we look at Exodus 23 we see the command for the Righteous men of God to appear before God

14 “Three times a year you shall celebrate a feast to Me. 15 You shall keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread; for seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in that month you came out of Egypt. And no one is to appear before Me empty-handed. 16 Also you shall keep the Feast of the Harvest of the first fruits of your labors from what you sow in the field; also the Feast of the Ingathering at the end of the year when you gather in the fruit of your labors from the field. 17 Three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord God.

Echoed in Ex 34

“The firstborn from every womb belongs to Me, and all your male livestock, the firstborn from cattle and sheep. 20 You shall redeem with a lamb the firstborn from a donkey; and if you do not redeem it, then you shall break its neck. You shall redeem all the firstborn of your sons. None are to appear before Me empty-handed.

21 “You shall work six days, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during plowing time and harvest you shall rest. 22 And you shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year. 23 Three times a year all your males are to appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel. 24 For I will drive out nations from you and enlarge your borders, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times a year to appear before the Lord your God.

Look at what verse 24 says about that hedge of protection for these men that appear before God - Is this not the very thing that Satan says is applying to Job in Job 1 

 Have You not made a fence around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 


What does Job 1:1 say about Job?

There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job; and that man was blameless, upright, fearing God and turning away from evil

What did that man do? 
 

Job 2:1Again, there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the Lord.

 Job 2:3The Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man fearing God and turning away from evil. And he still holds firm to his integrity, although you incited Me against him to ruin him without cause

That Sons of God are a classification of people that do righteousness, and those that don't are not sons of God, is affirmed in scripture time and again. 

1 John 3:10
No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother and sister.

Ergo, the men of righteousness appearing before the Lord at the appointed times would be in line with Men, and not angels , being the sons of God.

The comparison to Job 38 can be made in several points but Job 38:7 being used to say that sons of God means angels is still an injection of that interpretation to the text when the text doesn't suppose it. .

7 When the morning stars sang together 
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 “Or who enclosed the sea with doors
When it went out from the womb, bursting forth;
9 When I made a cloud its garment,
And thick darkness its swaddling bands,
10 And I placed boundaries on it
And set a bolt and doors,

In this passage we see creative imagery and not literal things. The sea is not enclosed with doors, and it didn't come from the womb, clouds aren't clothes- morning stars and sons of God shouting for joy doesn't mean that sons of God are angels.

 Lets also take a look at the contrast found in Psalms 148 where it appears that Angels are a separate classification from both the sun and moon that give praise, as well as these  Humans that praise Him 

Psalm 148 

 Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens;  Praise Him in the heights!
2 Praise Him, all His angels; Praise Him, all His heavenly armies!
3 Praise Him, sun and moon; Praise Him, all stars of light!
4 Praise Him, highest heavens, And the waters that are above the heavens!
5 They are to praise the name of the Lord, For He commanded and they were created.
6 He has also established them forever and ever; He has made a decree, and it will not pass away.
7 Praise the Lord from the earth, Sea monsters, and all the ocean depths;
8 Fire and hail, snow and clouds; Stormy wind, fulfilling His word;
9 Mountains and all hills; Fruit trees and all cedars;
10 Animals and all cattle; Crawling things and winged fowl;
11 Kings of the earth and all peoples; Rulers and all judges of the earth;
12 Both young men and virgins; Old men and children.
13They are to praise the name of the Lord, For His name alone is exalted;
His majesty is above earth and heaven.
14 And He has lifted up a horn for His people, Praise for all His godly ones,
For the sons of Israel, a people near to Him. Praise the Lord!

When Job 38:7 is read and stars singing next to sons of God shouting as some choose to say that because these are side by side and in the same event they MUST both be the same, we are obligated to reason the same manner to Psalm 148 and disregard all context and say that everything is angels.  Sun, moon, angels, Israel, the sea, fire, hail, clouds, all of it is now angels. 

A critique of this explanation is that it must be grounded as a metaphor. Morning stars and sons of God at creation are speaking to a "thing" and are not metaphoric in of themselves. 
This is a fair criticism. 

If it is not metaphor, is there text that places sons of God as men there rather than the injection of angels?  For this let us look back  at Genesis. 

 Gen 1 Then God said, “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.

During creation, Mankind was made.
Look at it in Chapter 5 

This is the book of the generations of Adam. On the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them “mankind” on the day when they were created. 

Chapter 5 is stating on that day of Creation, When God created man, He created THEM, Male and Female, Mankind- made in the image of God.
Mankind- plural
Them- plural
During creation to some degree- Adam, the son of God (contained within him a plurality)  and he likely shouted for joy as was a reason man was created. 

When Adam has a son, it says he made his son in the likeness of Adam, this is the same language that is used for God making Adam for Adam making his son. Does Scripture say anywhere that angels were created in the image of God, that they may be called sons?

Scripture doesn't even mention Angels in Genesis chapter 1 or 2 creation accounts. Adam is mentioned. Eve is mentioned. Mankind is mentioned. Angels are not. So, to take Job and put angels there doesn't fit. Luke 3:38 states that Adam was a son of God the same way Genesis 5 does through genealogy 

38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

Adam in a pre-sin perfect state would be in perfect obedience to God and fit BOTH qualifications of definition of sons of God 

Furthermore, Since Job 38 must have a grounding for its spring boarding, then lets take a look at the importance of Hebrews 1 

5For to which of the angels did He ever say,
“You are My Son,
Today I have fathered You”?
And again,
“I will be a Father to Him
And He will be a Son to Me”?

Granted this about the Messiahship of the Savior, but if this implicates that God never said to angels you are My Son or Sons, they are not sons of God... but People are.  If such could be said about angels, then the answer to the question posed here would be "Steve the angel son of God" or "Todd the angel, God's son" But since it is not the case, we have to ask "Can we find a single example in scripture where an angel is called a son? We do have examples of God calling men sons of God.  

“You are sons of the Lord your God; you shall not cut yourselves nor shave a bald spot above your forehead for the dead. For you are a holy people to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for His personal possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.- Deut 14:1-2

“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.- Matthew 5:9

For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons and daughters of God.- Romans 8:14

For the eagerly awaiting creation waits for the revealing of the sons and daughters of God.- Romans 8:19

 “I will call those who were not My people, ‘My people,’

And her who was not beloved, ‘beloved.’”26 “And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘you are not My people,’ There they shall be called sons of the living God.”27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Though the number of the sons of Israel may be like the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved; - Romans 9:25-27

For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus.- Galatians 3:26

Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!” - Galatians 4:6

 

Nephilim:

It is said that the Nephilim were the offspring of the Sons of God and the daughters of men, but verse 4 seems to show that in the days prior and after the Sons of God married the daughters of mankind - these Nephilim already existed:

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown

- and it states that these Nephilim were men.

We see in Genesis 4 that Cain is now disowned and hidden from God's face on account of the violence that he enacted on his brother. 

Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and I will be hidden from Your face, and I will be a wanderer and a drifter on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

Cain has no claim to be a son of God and should now go by a different designation, this is one group. It continues on in Chapter 4 

To Seth also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then people began to call upon the name of the Lord.

This is now another designation separate from that of Cain and his murderous son who have been marked so that the world would know that they're murderers. This group of believers would be another designation, leaving another designation of secular people that are neither murderers/ people of violence nor are they believers 

Side note, Genesis 5 mirrors the genealogy of the Messiah in Luke 3:37-38 which states that Adam was son of God

37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, 38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God

If we were to go from Gen 4, to Gen 5, to Gen 6 with these groups  it might look like this:

Gen 4- Cain and his sons are murderers/ Nephilim ( fellers of men, Men of renown seeing as God put a mark on Cain) 
Gen 5 - sons of God genealogy of the Messiah containing generations of believers who began to call on God as stated in chapter 4 (along with others) 
Gen 6 -  Daughters of mankind- secular women , perhaps offspring of Cain and his camps 

Lets look at gen 6 in this context 

Now it came about, when mankind  began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God  [Men who had been calling on God ] saw that the daughters of mankind  [secular women, off spring of the murderers camps] were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.” 4 The Nephilim [ First murderers, fellers of men, killers] were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God [Believing group that to this point had been righteous] came in to the daughters of mankind, [Secular unbelieving women] and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. 6 So the Lord was sorry that He had made mankind on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 Then the Lord said, “I will wipe out mankind whom I have created from the face of the land; mankind, and animals as well, and crawling things, and the birds of the sky. For I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

Now we have to ask critically, if the flood was to destroy this race of half angels half men that spawned giants as some theorize , Then why do we see a re-emergence of giants after the flood that was to wipe them out? There is no record of these "fallen angels" coming back to take human wives a second time after the flood and thus create again a race of giants. We must account for that absence. 

Though I do NOT hold the Septuagint to be reliable, take a look at this from Genesis 10: 

Now Cush fathered Nimrod; he became a mighty one on the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod a mighty hunter before the Lord.” 

8 And Chus begot Nebrod: he began to be a giant upon the earth. He was a giant hunter before the Lord God; therefore they say, As Nebrod the giant hunter before the Lord. 

This is explained in Gen 6:5 

  Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually.

The case presented from Jude and Peter 

What does 2 Peter 2 say that the subject is :

But false prophets also appeared among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves

The topic is a group among the faith group, presenting ideas and heresy that leads to destruction. 

And angels who did not keep their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling place, these He has kept in eternal restraints under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in sexual perversion and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.- 2 Peter

The way that proponents of  "angels are sons" of God read verse 7 is to tie it to Genesis 6, suggesting that angels entered into sexual perversion like Sodom and Gomorrah. It understandable how one might take that view but I believe that its a mistake. A counter perspective is that Jude is talking about groups that were once thought secure and then became destroyed.  

1:5 Now I want to remind you, though you know everything once and for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.

Believers, saved from Egypt -destroyed
Angels , removed from heaven- to place of destruction
Sodom and Gomorrah - place of destruction. like surrounding cities, going to place of destruction. 

The emphasis being not to compromise from obedience to following after lusts- not just sexual lusts, sin. There is no reason to be hyperfocal on sexual sin when the passage is about not succumbing to any of the fleshly lusts. That can include eating things that are not food according to God. That can include harboring malice. The word for desire or "lusts of the flesh" are Strong's G1939, The same word used here:

Luke 22:15 And He said to them, “I have eagerly G1939 desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer

This isn't some sexual perversion in wanting to keep the Passover. That is not a freaky sex thing that Paul is suggesting. It would be wrong to promote such a view. 

Lets look at the Jude passage as it reads from 2 Peter 2 

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, held for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example of what is coming for the ungodly; 7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the perverted conduct of unscrupulous people 8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds), 9 then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from a trial, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, 

Note that Jude and Peter are practically the same, the emphasis is about not losing a place of security for a place of destruction. Also again, important to highlight is verse 4

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, held for judgment 

Hell, Darkness, Held for Judgement... none of that is taking human wives. 


Looking further, certain places God refers to humans as judges, and the word is "Elohim" but instead of being rendered as judge, its rendered as god. 

 "The Lord answered Moses: See! I have made you a god to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother will be your prophet." Ex  7

Deuteronomy 32:8-9 is a questionable text and subject of criticism as some render it this way:

 When the Most High allotted each nation its heritage,

    when he separated out human beings,

He set up the boundaries of the peoples

    after the number of the divine beings;

9 But the Lord’s portion was his people;

    his allotted share was Jacob.

"AHa "they say, "this is clearly about angels". But the text in other translations say:

When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance,

When He separated the sons of mankind,

He set the boundaries of the peoples

According to the number of the sons of Israel.

9 For the Lord’s portion is His people;

Jacob is the allotment of His inheritance.

An argument I have heard is that this has to refer to angels because Israel didn't exist when God separated the borders. This is a strange objection because we know that He set the boundaries for Israel with Israel in mind, telling Abraham all the land that He would give to Israel his descendants. An entire covenant was made over it. 
Some say that this text originally read "sons of God" but was altered because it may cause confusion and people might believe it to be angels.  



For the next part I respond to objections that were left on Facebook. 

"First, Son of God being a term for righteous human men is said to be the mystery unveiled to Paul in Ephesians 1, in which Paul states that mankind being adopted as sons of God is part of “the mystery of God’s will having been made known to us” “at the fullness of the dispensation of time.” A mystery is something that was once hidden or not easily or plainly seen. The context in the B’rit is very different than the context in the Tanakh. One is a mystery. The other is not."

Second, every Tanakh passage involving SOG refers to something other other than humans:

This is demonstratably false unless you were to suggest that God is commanding Angels to maintain their beards as set apart from among the nations:

“You are sons of the Lord your God; you shall not cut yourselves nor shave a bald spot above your forehead for the dead. For you are a holy people to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for His personal possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.- Deut 14:1-2

I said, “You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High. -Psalm 82 :6

Yet the number of the sons of Israel
Will be like the sand of the sea,
Which cannot be measured or counted;
And in the place
Where it is said to them,
“You are not My people,”
It will be said to them,

“You are the sons of the living God.”- Hosea 1:10

1) The being in the fire with Hannaniah, Azariah, and Mishael.

25 He responded, “Look! I see four men untied and walking about in the middle of the fire unharmed, and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods!

2) Job 1, for there were no pilgrimage and feastly gatherings of the entire Body of Yah before the sinai covenant and,

The Torah has been from the beginning, it was only ratified at Sinai. I believe that a form of Torah told Cain and Able to sacrifice even though Cain offered the wrong sacrifice. I believe that Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean animals because of this Torah that existed, and was likely taught to Adam as he walked with God in the cool of the day. As one other commented, Job is already aware of offering sacrifices on behalf of his children because he didn't know if they had sinned in their hearts- this speaks to a system already in place. 



Job 38, for these SOG sang God’s praises during the creation event before man was created. Even if we believe the sethite theorists, adam and eve were not redeemed or saved or made incorruptibly righteous by Yeshua’s blood (the B’rit’s definition for SOG), therefore the “righteous SOG” definition for men cannot apply to adam and eve.

Adam and Eve need only be in a righteous state to be SOG. This indisputably applies to the pre-fall state of being , especially in a metaphoric passage where sarcasm and grandiose illustration are being used on behalf of God to convey significance to Job. 

3) Specifically, genesis 6 uses Sons of God in contrast to _mankind_ multiplying over the face of the earth. Then there is second more specific distinction made between sons of God and daughters of men. The specific context of genesis 6 strongly points toward SOG being something other than “mankind.” The Mesopotamian context of Genesis is filled with examples of heavenly beings coming down to interact in various ways with humans. Genesis unveils the truth of that interaction and that it wasn’t a blessing from above but a cursed interaction.

Unless you're interpreting it incorrectly and Sons of God isn't to contrast mankind, but contrasts Daughters of Men and contrast Nephilim.  The context of Genesis 6 points to an only human affair that involves 3 parties of humans. Believers, Secular, and Violent murderers. I do my best to use scripture to define scripture, not mix it with Mesopotamian theology or theology of surrounding cultures.  

Gen 4- Cain and sons murder take multiple wives 
Gen 5 starting in the end of chapter 4, Men and women began calling on God at this time- List of men and women that began calling on God, as listed in Luke in the genealogy of the Messiah 
Gen 6 - intermixing of Believers being swayed by hot secular women which has been an issue for the church forever.  If you wanted to discuss the un-natural sexual component of Jude/ Lusts, maybe start with believers being swayed by multiple wives like Cain's sons. This still fits in the human context. 

Further, regarding “daughters of men” it is assumed that these are of the line of cain, but the text doesn’t say that in the slightest. One cannot just assume the conclusion. It must be demonstrated that sons of God equal descendants of seth and daughters of men equal women of the line of cain.

Its possible that they were the daughters of Cain's camp, or could be non-believing women that left the group of believing men. Regardless they're secular. 

Additionally, the sethite theory can not be shown to exist prior to the greco-roman philosophizing so called “church fathers.” It first appears in the writings of Julius Africanus (180CE-250CE). Not only does the angelic theory best harmonize with the mesopotamian context of Genesis, it clearly pre-exists the sethite theory by centuries and is the universal view of the 2nd temple period as evidenced by the B’rit’s epistles of Jude, 2 Peter, and non-cannonical “1 Enoch.”

Should we view scripture in light of Egyptian theology? Shall we say that sons of God are dog headed people that run the ferry to the underworld? How many lies should we carry because others have carried them first?  People like to slap label's on things in order to make them easier to pigeonhole rather than do the work in the scriptures independently to seek a matter out. Those who object to humans being Sons of God as the scriptures show, often try to box my position as Sethite, a banner of which I had not studied nor rallied under. Let the fullness of scripture bear witness and the word of God define itself. Should we adopt the Pharisees view of the Messiah and therefore disqualify the Truth of the Savior simply because its what the culture understood at the time? 

I’ll go on to rebut a few of your main points:

First, your point from Hebrews 1. Which of the angels has God said “you are my son?” (In which, the author is quoting Psalm 2 and the Baptism accounts). This is not proof that angels are not “SOG.” This is proof that the only begotten Son of God is not an angel which inherits the kingdoms of the earth. He in whom we have our inheritance is not a mere angel, but is greater than the angels. The only begotten Son and “sons of God” are distinct terms even in the tanak. For, sons of god and angels are ministering spirits sent to aid humans. The Son is to sit at the right hand of the power and be Lord (mark 12 and psalm 110). The main point of Hebrews 1 is to define the person and origin of Christ and distinguish the Son from angels. It’s purpose is not to say sons of God aren’t angels. This passage is being taken out of context.

I agree that the entire point is to show Christ and His Messiahship ...yet, if Angels are called sons of God then then entire point is lost.  Can a single verse that says the word angel and sons of God be found together where angels are the ones being called sons of God? Several can be found for humans. 

Second, your point about angels not marrying. Jude says the angels left their heavenly estate.
 ... and as cast down in fallen state, why should they be called sons of God? They left heaven and were cast into hell into darkness awaiting judgment. 

... Matthew and Luke say “angels do not marry in heaven.”

Genesis 6 says that they took women on the earth and took wives.

Genesis 6 says that sons of God, of which no scripture says are angels but several say refers to humans, took wives.  I have cited numerous verses that state that HUMANS are sons of God in the same verse. There has been zero verses provided that state Angels are sons of God- only innuendo and potential shoehorning angels into an ambiguous text. The word Angel appears nowhere in Genesis 6. Circular reasoning is being applied to this text to say Angels is what is here, therefore Angels is elsewhere. 


 Angels/SOG taking wives on earth does not contradict what Yeshua says in Matthew 22 about angels not being given to marry in heaven. ( I separated a portion because I wanted to address them separately below)

In the context of Peter and Jude that state over and over and over again that those that choose rebellion against God do not stay in the state of right standing and are therefore cast down, cast out, and destroyed, placed in chains waiting judgement, in the pit...  there is ZERO reason to believe that these would be referred to as sons of God. 

Lastly, in regard to “angels do not have genitals.” Angels do not naturally have carnal forms. They’re spiritual beings. When they manifest in creation, they manifest in the appearance of men. In the narrative with Sodom and Gomorrah: They ate with Abram. They grab Lot with hands. It’s not a stretch to say that when they take physical form in the appearance of men that they appear as biological men in every way, including their genitals.)

There is a growing list of things we have to make allowances for in order for that to work
1. Angels cannot give into marriage in HEAVEN so in order to give into marriage, they have to leave heaven. 
2. Scripture state that once they left heaven they were cast into the pit awaiting judgement- not taking wives, but if we set that aside for the time we still have to make allow for a second that God let this happen - cast them out of heaven but let them take wives
3. after being cast out of heaven and they chose to take wives, by what claim would they be called sons of God? IF we see that Yeshua has distinction that those that do the will of God will be called sons of God but OTHERS of disobedience are of the devil- how then do we get the designation that these devils are called sons of God? 
4. Ignoring that and say that these fallen angels were allowed to take wives, and that before this happened Nephilim existed- and also after this happened Nephilim existed per the scripture- These "angels" had to develop genital's in order to procreate
5. Those fallen angels after the judgement of the flood that cleansed all the earth and creation washing away that race of giants spawned by angels and earth women- would have to have done this a second time in order to produce giants after the flood. 

If they weren't cast into the pit as scripture states, and IF they could take wives as long as they were outside of heaven , and IF they could develop genitals, and IF they could sire a race of Giants and IF  the flood was to wash away those Giants because God was mad at angels taking hot wives-
why is there no account of this happening again after the flood where giants re-appeared 

Its MOST reasonable that instead of this mosaic of hypotheticals that if you look at in the specific way COULD maybe fit, Sons of God are humans which fits perfectly. 

Jude ties these passages together and makes it clear that the angels who left their first estate went after strange flesh. The Holy Spirit inspired Jude to connect angelic sin with sexual sin. Only Genesis 6 matches those details.

Jude only says that if you read that in the text. Have you ever read that sentence that can have 7 different meaning depending on where you put the emphasis

" “I never said she stole my money""

 “I NEVER said she stole my money"
 “I never SAID she stole my money"
 “I never said, SHE stole my money"
 “I never said she STOLE my money"
 “I never said she stole MY money"
 “I never said she stole my MONEY"

This is a way people look at Jude. This commentator tries to say that Jude makes it clear that the subject is a fleshly sex scandal with the Angels, and not the issue that even Angels were in heaven - a place most any of us would think would be safe from falling and we would be able to dwell securely- and were cast out. Just as Sodom and Gomorrah were places that were destroyed and the surrounding places were destroyed- not dwelling securely because they went after strange flesh. The focal point is not a celestial sex scandal, its trusting that you're dwelling securely when you can be removed and destroyed. 

2 Peter is entirely about "groups" that think that they're secure, and then they are not. Angels thinking they're secure in heaven and then falling, JUST LIKE SODOM AND GOMORRAH acting bold thinking they were secure before they were destroyed, JUST like those who are in the church teaching heresies and destructive and perverse doctrines think that they are secure before they are destroyed.


Another point to ponder.  IF the Nephilim were men like Cain that were taking multiple wives and murdering men- would that fit God saying that he destroyed the world because of violence? 
What if that same sort of practice began again after the flood and those murderers- fellers of men were up to the same customs as Cain and his sons? Could that explain why Abraham was so afraid 

 Now there was a famine in the land; so Abram went down to Egypt to live there for a time, because the famine was severe in the land. 11 It came about, when he was approaching Egypt, that he said to his wife Sarai, “See now, I know that you are a beautiful woman; 12 and when the Egyptians see you, they will say, ‘This is his wife’; and they will kill me, but they will let you live. 13 Please say that you are my sister so that it may go well for me because of you, and that I may live on account of you.” 14 Now it came about, when Abram entered Egypt, that the Egyptians saw that the woman was very beautiful. 15 Pharaoh’s officials saw her and praised her to Pharaoh; and the woman was taken into Pharaoh’s house. - Gen 12 

And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
 Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 And God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for humanity had corrupted its way upon the earth.- Gen 6 

Lamech took two wives for himself: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other, Zillah Lamech said to his wives,

“Adah and Zillah,

Listen to my voice,

You wives of Lamech,

Pay attention to my words,

For I have killed a man for wounding me;

And a boy for striking me!

24 If Cain is avenged seven times,

Then Lamech seventy-seven times!”- Gen 4

In conclusion everywhere it says sons of God, rather than doing 6 or 7 "what if, could be, maybe if" steps, just put humans there because its 1 step and it fits. 

There are NO scriptures that say Angels are the sons of God in the same sentence the way that numerous verses that say humans ARE. 

 Exodus 4:22-23
 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord says: “Israel is My son, My firstborn. 23 So I said to you, ‘Let My son go so that he may serve Me’; but you have refused to let him go. Behold, I am going to kill your son, your firstborn.”’”

Moral

In the beginning God created heaven and earth 

He didn't have to do that. He was under no obligation or duress to cause existence to be. He did it anyway. 

He didn't have to knit me together in my mothers womb, He didn't have to preserve my life the several times it could have been taken from me, But he did anyway.  He could have left me homeless, hopeless, broken, unloved, and forgotten. God could have abandoned me, but He didn't and hasn't, and I have reason to believe that He wont. Why? Because God IS good. 

God is good, but this fact if disputed among Atheists.  The Atheist looks around the world today that is rampant with chaos, war, famine, destruction. They see the death, the decay of decency, the suffering and the pain that is so loudly on display. To see this suffering is to acknowledge the truth of the world as it is, but, to attribute that suffering to God is where the Atheist falls prey to an old mistake. They attribute the blame to God like Adam in the garden when he accused God for giving him a faulty wife. 

Why then did God allow evil to be possible? When God made man, He said:

 ... “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule ... over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth.” 

Man was made in the image of God and God's likeness. That means that man was created Righteous and Virtuous, Moral. In order for man to be made like God he had to have the capability to reject that which God is not. If God is Righteous, and He is, What does it mean to be Righteous? 

acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin

So in order for man to be Righteous as God is Righteous, Man must act in accordance with Divine Moral Law. God made this test remarkably easy. In all of the garden God gave 1 prohibitive command, don't eat from 1 tree. The only sin is violating this directive. At this point there is no death, no suffering, no cancer or abortion or famine or genocide. Just a couple, and a garden, animals and God. What does it mean to be Moral?

a: of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ETHICAL
moral judgments

b: expressing or teaching a conception of right behavior
a moral poem

c: conforming to a standard of right behavior
took a moral position on the issue though it cost him the nomination

d: sanctioned by or operative on one's conscience or ethical judgment
a moral obligation

e: capable of right and wrong action
a moral agent

For man to be made perfect, he MUST have been able to be capable of rejecting God and choose not to. Without the choice or the free will then he would not be a moral being, he would not be a perfect man. He'd be a programmed group of nerves and neurons. 

Man did reject God and open the door to virus and corruption to the perfect system in which God created. When man failed to be moral, God decided that He would still be moral. He would still be faithful. He would still be good. Rather than destroy all life that chose to rebel against Him- which He absolutely would be justified in doing- He chose to instead bear patience and grace, and mercy, leading to redemption. (granted when the world was consumed with violence, He did pour out judgement- but He still saved a group of humans in His grace)

Now, lets look at the cross for a moment, seeing as how we don't look at it enough- it still bears an extra picture here in the context of Morality. God, who doesn't ask us to do anything that HE Himself is willing to do. He clothed Himself in flesh and proved that He is Moral on our behalf and died IN ORDER TO FIX THE MISTAKES OF MAN. 

Jesus- Yeshua- The Messiah, the Christ- An innocent Man lived out an entirely moral life choosing to not sin to show God is Good, and to revoke sin that Adams failures opened the door to. 
God is cleaning up after us, our messes, our sins. He clothes those He has told us to clothe, and feeds those He told us to feed. He shelters those He told us to shelter... because He is Moral. 

Loss

 Do you ever think about how lonely the Messiah was at the cross? 
All of his friends turned and left. Why did they abandon His teaching and turn to the crowds. 
Do you ever think about the Pharisees that accused Him?
The way they dammed and condemned Him- and what crime did He commit? He offended them  
He offended them, and He was silent when they demanded answers from Him. 

The high priest stood up and said to Him, “Do You offer no answer for what these men are testifying against You?” 63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, “I place You under oath by the living God, to tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God.”-Matt 26 

 I think about it every day. The loss. 


 Love is patient, love is kind, it is not jealous; love does not brag, it is not arrogant. 5 It does not act disgracefully, it does not seek its own benefit; it is not provoked, does not keep an account of a wrong suffered, 6 it does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 it keeps every confidence, it believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.


The world is full of people that will say that they love. people that say that they are family.  


They'll abandon you if you have bad days... they'll abandon you when others crucifiy you 

Enoch doesn't quote Scripture

Some say that Enoch the Rabbinic text originally written in Hebrew usually dated to the fifth century CE- is quoted in the actual scripture. 

They say that Enoch 48:1
 In that place I beheld a fountain of righteousness, which never failed, encircled by many springs of wisdom. Of these all the thirsty drank, and were filled with wisdom, having their habitation with the righteous, the elect, and the holy.

is quoted in 

 John 4:14
14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never be thirsty; but the water that I will give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up to eternal life.”

but John 4:14 is citing any number of passages already in the scripture 

• Is 12:3  Therefore you will joyously draw water From the springs of salvation.
  
  
• Is 55:1 “You there! Everyone who thirsts, come to the waters;  And you who have no money come, buy and eat. Come, buy wine and milk  Without money and without cost.

• Is 58:11 And the Lord will continually guide you,  And satisfy your desire in scorched places,  And give strength to your bones;  And you will be like a watered garden, And like a spring of water whose waters do not fail.

• Jer 2:13 “For My people have committed two evils: They have abandoned Me, The fountain of living waters, To carve out for themselves cisterns, Broken cisterns That do not hold water.

• Psalms 36:8-9 They drink their fill of the abundance of Your house; And You allow them to drink from the river of Your delights.  9 For the fountain of life is with You; In Your light we see light.

Daniel 7:13 I kept looking in the night visions,  And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a son of man was coming,  And He came up to the Ancient of Days  And was presented before Him.

The P Words

 If you've been in this Torah walk for any amount of time, you've been called a Pharisee. Coming out of traditions and doctrines that are contrary to the word of God usually gets you slapped with the label faster than my nephew can burp the alphabet. For keeping the Commands of God, and teaching others to do the same, you shouldn't be labeled as a Pharisee, its wrong. However, the subject has been on my mind recently, and just yesterday I was scrolling Facebook where there was a "Torah guy" chastising another guy over a kippa. Over a hat. According to the, we'll call him "Hyper Kodesh Guy", A Kippah is a sun disc and wearing one is as worshipping Babylonian sun worship. "HKG" who ive seen wear a cowboy hat, was literally saying that wearing the hat without a brim was on par with worshipping a false god. I'm not a fan of the Talmud or the rabbis, but even I had to step in an say "ITS A HAT, ITS JUST A HAT!!!". Could it be that maybe, THESE are the things that others look at and say "That guy is claiming that He has a true doctrine and he's losing it over a hat, that is not something that is normal, That guy AND WHAT HE BELIEVES, IS in fact being Pharisee" 

The subject of Phariseeism .. Pharisaism...Pharicsism ....  the subject of being Pharisaic doesn't come up too often in the Torah communities because either we've bristled so much over being called that by not Torah people, or as is the occasion- Some have rehabbed the image of the Pharisees as to being the righteous ones who "Judaism" says that "we should be. "

One of the things we need to remember as believers is that these were rebuked by the Messiah. The Pharisees were the ones constantly ripped by the Messiah for being the overly religious instead of the righteous examples.  So what does it mean, what are some examples of being Pharisaic? Well Lets go over it by the numbers 

Matt 9 
Then it happened that as Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and began dining with Jesus and His disciples. 11 And when the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, “Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?” 12 But when Jesus heard this, He said, “It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick.

1. If you're criticizing someone for building relationships with secular people, then you're criticizing the example of the Messiah. 

Matt 12
13 Then He *said to the man, “Stretch out your hand!” He stretched it out, and it was restored to normal, like the other. 14 But the Pharisees went out and conspired against Him, as to how they might destroy Him.

2. If you're talking with your special group about how someone isn't doing things the way your special group thinks they should be done based on your traditions or whatever "Special Wisdom" you may have on a matter not defined in scripture, then you're probably being a Pharisee. 

Matt 12
 Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and unable to speak was brought to Jesus, and He healed him so that the man who was unable to speak talked and could see. 23 And all the crowds were amazed and were saying, “This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?” 24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”

3. If you look at something that is good and righteous and it is a blessing and a service to others, and you attribute it to be evil, Then odds are you need a heart check 

Matt 15
 Then the disciples came and *said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement?” 13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant will be uprooted. 14 Leave them alone; they are blind guides of blind people. And if a person who is blind guides another who is blind, both will fall into a pit.”

4. If you are often offended and find everything offensive and are constantly policing speech against what COULD be offensive, Then you likely could be as the Pharisees. Leading  everyone around on each whim and wound until you get everyone burdened down with all your custom rules and regulations, its a burden. 

Matt 21
45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them. 46 And although they sought to arrest Him, they feared the crowds, since they considered Him to be a prophet.

5. If someone highlights that your made up rules you're trying to place on others aren't found in scripture,  is your reaction to try and "kill the messenger" so to speak? To try and get rid of whomever shows that even if you have in your mind "inspiring holiness above the biblical standard" that adding rules to another's walk is wrong if they didn't invite or ask you too. 

Matt 23
Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses. 3 Therefore, whatever they tell you, do and comply with it all, but do not do as they do; for they say things and do not do them. 4 And they tie up heavy burdens and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as their finger.

6. To continue off of that last point. Which is more important, looking holy to others or being Holy unto God? People are to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. People can ask questions in working out that salvation. Others insisting things are done their way on matters that scripture leaves to individual discretion is most often tying burdens on people and doing deeds to be noticed.  Paul notes and warns this style of people in Acts 20: 30 where he says 

 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things to draw away the disciples after them.

If anyone knew what it meant to be a Pharisee, it was Paul.  He cautioned against people making disciples unto themselves, with their own doctrines and customs. Messiah was constantly rebuking those that set aside the commands of God for their own traditions. Pushing your fence laws or traditions is as adding to the commands of God.  

Matt 24 continued 5 And they do all their deeds to be noticed by other people; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments. 6 And they love the place of honor at banquets, and the seats of honor in the synagogues, 

7. Modesty is important. God's word says that people are to be clothed and nakedness is an issue. Some people look at the Word of God and they see that people wore robes or tunics and they think that they should wear robes or tunics. THIS IS PERFECTLY FINE. That is, until it gets put into the context that someone is less righteous or spiritual for not wearing a specific garment. If you're going around asserting the opinion that jeans and t-shirt is some how less righteous guess what party you're emulating. 

Luke 18
9 Now He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and began praying this in regard to himself: ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, crooked, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to raise his eyes toward heaven, but was beating his chest, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, the sinner!’ 

Now one thing that I often notice about people that are dogmatically pushing their customs on others, is that they usually state is as being a "Greater standard of righteousness". What about that one person that is wearing jeans and t-shirt and maybe can't afford the suit or can't afford the extra long linin tunic so that they blend in with everyone else... Should they be hounded with opinions over what they are wearing not being sufficient?   There are doctrines that people disagree over in the Torah. There are things that aren't even doctrines that people disagree over. I never imagined that I would encounter people that were so bothered about a dozen hypothetical "what if "scenarios regarding matchmaking, something as basic as telling two adults in conversation that they might be a good fit. 

Luke 7 
 Now one of the Pharisees was requesting Him to eat with him, and He entered the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table. 37 And there was a woman in the city who was a sinner; and when she learned that He was reclining at the table in the Pharisee’s house, she brought an alabaster vial of perfume, 38 and standing behind Him at His feet, weeping, she began to wet His feet with her tears, and she wiped them with the hair of her head, and began kissing His feet and anointing them with the perfume. 39 Now when the Pharisee who had invited Him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet He would know who and what sort of person this woman is who is touching Him, that she is a sinner!”

8. Pharisees have a seeming terminal case of "plank eye"

Luke 7 (Continued)

And Jesus responded and said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” And he replied, “Say it, Teacher.” 41 “A moneylender had two debtors: the one owed five hundred denarii, and the other, fifty. 42 When they were unable to repay, he canceled the debts of both. So which of them will love him more?” 43 Simon answered and said, “I assume the one for whom he canceled the greater debt.” And He said to him, “You have judged correctly.” 44 And turning toward the woman, He said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave Me no water for My feet, but she has wet My feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You gave Me no kiss; but she has not stopped kissing My feet since the time I came in. 46 You did not anoint My head with oil, but she anointed My feet with perfume. 47 For this reason I say to you, her sins, which are many, have been forgiven, for she loved much; but the one who is forgiven little, loves little.” 48 And He said to her, “Your sins have been forgiven.”

9. Do you have a sense of Spiritual pride? A pride that masquerades as Holiness. Pharisees did. 

Acts 6
 And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people. 9 But some men from what was called the Synagogue of the Freedmen, including both Cyrenians and Alexandrians, and some from Cilicia and Asia, rose up and argued with Stephen. 10 But they were unable to cope with his wisdom and the Spirit by whom he was speaking

Acts 7
 Now when they heard this, they were infuriated, and they began gnashing their teeth at him. 55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, looked intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; 56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” 57 But they shouted with loud voices, and covered their ears and rushed at him with one mind. 58 When they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him; and the witnesses laid aside their cloaks at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”

 
You don't want to be a Pharisee. You don't want to be one of these guys that has themselves so deluded that they think that they are always righteous. They think that being overbearing is being righteous. They think that they're owed answers and that you're in the wrong for questioning them. They have little patience for people that do not do whatever they see their holy right to be. Do not be these people that are so deserving of condemnation. These people that demand control and often act as if there is no spiritual growth outside of what they cultivate. Ones that seek to be revered as authority but aren't. 

Luke 12
“Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. 2 But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. 3 Accordingly, whatever you have said in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed on the housetops.
 

 1 Corinthians 10:12
Therefore let the one who thinks he stands watch out that he does not fall.

Sons of God are Humans.

...and a pretty awesome name of a Hebrew Biker gang. 

This post will spend a little bit on Genesis 6 and the context of the sons of God relation to the Daughters of Men and the Nephilim, but it is primarily a study on who the sons of God are. After reading the Genesis 6 account and seeing that I believe the term "Sons of God" a reference to humans of obedience, I went and I listed every occurrence that I could find the term in scripture. I have found that every instance as listed below can and likely should, refer to humans. Especially due to the law of first mention.  This started in Genesis 6, where the previous chapter lists a specific class of the lineage of Adam and how God is marked as the foremost of the lineage of Adam. One way to say that would be that Adam, was a son of God. I see that the start of Genesis 5 parallels what we see in the lineage of Yeshua  the Messiah

This is the book of the generations of Adam. On the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them “mankind” on the day when they were created. - Gen 5

 

  the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God- Luke 3:38

The scripture that is controversial is the passage of Gen 6 which states as follows:

That the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.- Gen 6

There are some that render sons of God in the text to mean angels, instead of what I believe would be more accurately appropriate as a classification of righteous decedents that were beginning to stray from the righteous walk.  I believe that we can see in Genesis 4 the fallen men starting with Cain, and his sons. Genesis 5 being a classification of sons that were walking upright. Genesis 6 shows that those walking upright began to marry those that were from the camp of fallen men on the basis of their beauty.  We know that there was a sacrifice or offering in place from Genesis 4 where God warned Cain of his anger and that his face was Fallen 

So I'm looking at a thing in Genesis right, and I note that the primitive root for Nephilim:
From נָפַל (H5307) Variant spellings for this word: נפיל (Strongs and Gesenius) נפל (Strongs)

is 

H5307 - nāp̄al naw-fal' נָפַל nâphal, naw-fal'; a primitive root; to fall, in a great variety of applications (intransitive or causative, literal or figurative):—be accepted, cast (down, self, (lots), out), cease, die, divide (by lot), (let) fail, (cause to, let, make, ready to) fall (away, down, -en, -ing), fell(-ing), fugitive, have (inheritance), inferior, be judged (by mistake for 6419), lay (along), (cause to) lie down, light (down), be ( hast) lost, lying, overthrow, overwhelm, perish, present(-ed, -ing), (make to) rot, slay, smite out,  surely, throw down.

And this second one, is where God says
Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why is your face Naphal?

 Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and I will be hidden from Your face, and I will be a wanderer and a drifter on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.” 15 So the Lord said to him, “Therefore whoever kills Cain, vengeance will be taken on him seven times as much.” And the Lord placed a mark on Cain, so that no one finding him would kill him.

16 Then Cain left the presence of the Lord, and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

The connection of Nephilim and God pointing to Cains face as fallen may seem coincidental at first, unless we factor in that Cain and his sons were men of violence, and the Nephilim caused violence. 
Cain had left the presence of the Lord.  From Adam you have sons of God and Cain who left the presence of the Lord.  If there is a tribe headed by the original murderer, who is renowned in history for being one that takes life, the text shows that his child(ren)  follow suit it stands to reason that violence is a defining feature for that group.  
When we see these sons of God( from righteous classification of men)- taking actual wives the daughters of men (pagan/ polygamist group) we can safely conclude that it resulted in violence, if it were a matter of angels entering into a covenant of marriage that would violate that Yeshua says it doesn't happen. We see Men, taking women, in a time where there were men of violence and murder, who were before and after the flood.  If the flood was to eradicate a race of angel half breed human experiments, then why would Noah be allowed to preach for them to join on the Ark? 

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, held for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly- 2 Peter 2 

What we find in Gen 6 is that God is grieved with Man, and then God limits the life of Man, and then God destroys the world because of the violence of Men. There is nothing in the text to suggest that angels fit better.  Furthermore if we look at that passage in 2 Peter chapter 2, it states that fallen angels were cast into hell, pits of darkness held for judgement, not cast to earth and allowed to willfully enter into covenant of marriage with women after developing the physical anatomy to be able to do so. 
A camp of men who kill and take what they want fits context better to explain why Abraham journeyed to what would be his distant cousins and told his wife to pretend that she's his sister for fear that he'd be murdered and they take her. 

moving on. 

 “You are sons of the Lord your God; you shall not cut yourselves nor shave a bald spot above your forehead for the dead. For you are a holy people to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for His personal possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.- Deut 14:1-2

I think this is pretty clear that its not referencing Angels. Some might argue that this is not using a very specific "B'nei Elohim"  but it is saying Ben Yehova Elohim which renders that argument even useless seeing as this is a greater context. 

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.- Job 1:6 

Again, there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the Lord.- Job 2:1

I have linked these two together because the same point stands for both of them. The word angel is not used here. There is no reason for us to insert it here. We see that that these sons of God came to present themselves before God, and Satan also came.  We read in 2 Peter 2 that the fallen angels were held in a pit in darkness awaiting judgement so why would they be called sons of God any way? Cain in his rebellion did not retain such a title. There is no reason to believe that this passage is referring to angels. So what is it referring to? I say its referring to obedient faithful humans. 

“Three times a year all your males shall appear before the LORD your God at the place which He chooses: at the Feast of Unleavened Bread, at the Feast of Weeks, and at the Feast of Booths; and they are not to appear before the LORD empty-handed. - Deut 16:16

The call of righteous men coming at an appointed time and the specific significance of Satan coming at the appointed time to afflict someone does not make humans become Angels. 

When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy?- Job 38:7

This is one that gets leaned on fairly heavily by those that support that Gen 6 is talking about angels being the sons of God. They state that sons of God means angels , because stars could mean angels, and this has the stars and sons side by side.  One of several problems with this is that angels isn't in the text, and that is making several leaps and assumptions in order to make a case that is logically inconsistent with the rest of the chapter and other passages. Lets break this down with two points. 1 this is from a chapter of imagery and great sarcasm on behalf of God to really drive His point home with Job and put Job in check.  If we are to take this passage as literal then here are other passages that we have to do the same thing with from the same passage:

We have to figure out when exactly it was that Job walked along the bottom of the ocean and was hanging out under the sea:

“Have you entered the springs of the sea,

And walked in the depth of the ocean?

We have to determine that there is a literal actual storehouse where God keeps all His snow and ice 

Have you entered the storehouses of the snow,

And have you seen the storehouses of the hail

 And this:

 “Where is the way to the dwelling of light?

And darkness, where is its place,

20 That you would take it to its territory,

And discern the paths to its home?

21 You know, for you were born then,

And the number of your days is great!

If we are to take this passage as literal, then we must deduce that God is actually mad at Job not for being self righteous and taking issue with the sovereignty of God as the rest of the book shows, but instead craft a doctrine where God is mad at this immortal Job who has lived forever and just forgotten how creation actually unfolded. This is not how we should study these things. This is a common mistake. I mentioned that there were 2 points, one was showing from the same chapter the errors of saying that stars and sons of God singing means angels. Lets look at the entirety of Psalms 148 as it pertains to rendering Job 38: 7 

Praise the Lord!

Praise the Lord from the heavens;

Praise Him in the heights!

2 Praise Him, all His angels;

Praise Him, all His heavenly armies!

3 Praise Him, sun and moon;

Praise Him, all stars of light!

4 Praise Him, highest heavens,

And the waters that are above the heavens!

5 They are to praise the name of the Lord,

For He commanded and they were created.

6 He has also established them forever and ever;

He has made a decree, and it will not pass away.

7 Praise the Lord from the earth,

Sea monsters, and all the ocean depths;

8 Fire and hail, snow and clouds;

Stormy wind, fulfilling His word;

9 Mountains and all hills;

Fruit trees and all cedars;

10 Animals and all cattle;

Crawling things and winged fowl;

11 Kings of the earth and all peoples;

Rulers and all judges of the earth;

12 Both young men and virgins;

Old men and children.

13 They are to praise the name of the Lord,

For His name alone is exalted;

His majesty is above earth and heaven.

14 And He has lifted up a horn for His people,

Praise for all His godly ones,

For the sons of Israel, a people near to Him.

Praise the Lord!

So to render Job 38:7 to mean angels even though it doesn't say angels- but other passages mention things that could be theorized as similar  things, if we were to go forward that way we must deduce that:

  Angels are :Sea monsters, ocean depths; Fire and hail, snow and clouds; Stormy wind, fulfilling His word; Mountains and all hills; Fruit trees and all cedars; armies; sun and moon; all stars of light; highest heavens, the waters that are above the heavens  Animals and all cattle; Crawling things and winged fowl; Kings of the earth and all peoples; Rulers and all judges of the earth;  Both young men and virgins; Old men and children.
....is there anything that angels aren't in this doctrine? Lets move on

“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.- Matthew 5:9

Faithful righteous people who are seekers of peace and not seekers of war or perpetuators of conflict, will be called sons of God. 

 Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and the women are given in marriage, 35 but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 for they cannot even die anymore, for they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. 37 But as for the fact that the dead are raised, even Moses revealed this in the passage about the burning bush, where he calls the Lord the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. - Luke 20

1.  The sons of this age- humans
2. Will be worthy to attain that age/ be Resurrected from the dead
3. Will not being given into marriage  like the angels, contrast with gen 6 sons of God took wives from the daughters of men. 
4. This is all in a response to marriage that we will be sons of God 

For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons and daughters of God.- Romans 8:14

Those being led by the Spirit of God will be sons and daughters (both) of God. Angels are spirit. Angels haven't a gender. 

For the eagerly awaiting creation waits for the revealing of the sons and daughters of God.- Romans 8:19

The time of Salvation where God will say to His people well done good and faithful servant. 

 as He also says in Hosea: “I will call those who were not My people, ‘My people,’
And her who was not beloved, ‘beloved.’”26 “And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘you are not My people,’ There they shall be called sons of the living God.”27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Though the number of the sons of Israel may be like the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved; - Romans 9:25-27

Romans 9 is stating that the sons of God (and Daughters) are the Remnant. There has always been a remnant of God and that they are People, not angels 

For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus.- Galatians 3:26

Short, Simple Concise. 

Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!” - Galatians 4:6

The conclusion is clear. Nowhere does Sons of God say angels and in several places over and over again sons of God (and Daughters of God) are humans. 

Stars and sons singing

Job 38

5Who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the measuring line over it?
6 On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 “Or who enclosed the sea with doors When it went out from the womb, bursting forth;

Psalm 148 
 Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens;  Praise Him in the heights!
2 Praise Him, all His angels; Praise Him, all His heavenly armies!
3 Praise Him, sun and moon; Praise Him, all stars of light!
4 Praise Him, highest heavens, And the waters that are above the heavens!
5 They are to praise the name of the Lord, For He commanded and they were created.
6 He has also established them forever and ever; He has made a decree, and it will not pass away.
7 Praise the Lord from the earth, Sea monsters, and all the ocean depths;
8 Fire and hail, snow and clouds; Stormy wind, fulfilling His word;
9 Mountains and all hills; Fruit trees and all cedars;
10 Animals and all cattle; Crawling things and winged fowl;
11 Kings of the earth and all peoples; Rulers and all judges of the earth;
12 Both young men and virgins; Old men and children.
13They are to praise the name of the Lord, For His name alone is exalted;
His majesty is above earth and heaven. 
14 And He has lifted up a horn for His people, Praise for all His godly ones,

For the sons of Israel, a people near to Him.

Praise the Lord!

Nephilim and Gen 6

I know that I have done this topic before, but it came up again so I'm writing it again.

Gen 6
Now it came about, when mankind began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

This text spawns (heh) all kinds of theory. One things that people like to say is that the Nephilim are fallen angels that boned down some earth chicks and boom- giants. That is not how i see it and allow me to present why I don't see it that way. 

Ok, lets break this apart. 

• 1. Now it came about, when mankind began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them

Mankind began to multiply daughters- this is important context. 

• 2  that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.

The sons of God are supposed to be angels. as it were, I don't see how they took wives when Yeshua shows us that in Matthew 20:30 Angels don't get married. I don't think that is something that demons get to do either... especially since a demon would despise a holy covenant, the concept of monogamy , would likely be more into fornication- its just doesn't track for a lot of reasons. 

 Matt 20:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

I'm trying to follow where demons getting kicked out of heaven get to be called sons of God where the scriptures say the contrary Hebrews 1

5 For to which of the angels did He ever say,
“You are My Son, Today I have fathered You”?
And again,
“I will be a Father to Him And He will be a Son to Me”?

That answer, is none.  There is no like, Angel named like, Craig or something up there that God calls a son... because if there were, this passage in Hebrews would be about Craig the adopted Angel of God, instead of being about Yeshua and the work He has done. 
So, to start with the supposition that Sons of God meant Angels, it to read into the text.
I know, some people will be like BUT JAY WHAT ABOUT THE TIMES WHERE- and I will answer that now. 

 Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.

You might think "Ha there, see, that says that angels presented themselves before the LORD" and then I would have to point out that doesn't say that angels presented themselves before the LORD, it says that the sons of God presented themselves- this verse in Job does NOT tell us who these sons are. I don't believe that they're Craig the adopted Angel of God.  I'll tell you who I do think they are in a minute but I want to at least break down the passage in full. 

• 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.”

So, God gets upset at Men and limits the age of Men. 

• 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

There you have it, these Nephilim were on the earth when the sons of God came into the daughters of mankind.  It doesn't say that the Nephilim were the sons of God, it says that they were on the earth at the time that the sons of God went for the hot chicks of the daughters of men.  Mighty men who were of old- as in early men- men of renown, as in- known reputation. 

So lets run together what it isn't before I get to what I believe it is


Gen 6 does NOT say 


Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that  the sons of God "the giant outcast fallen angels which would be demons that managed to retain the title of sons of God after rebelling against the Most High and being kicked out of heaven"- saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they "decided to invent marriage and monogamy and grow genitals and developed seeds and genetic code". 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years - "And I'm punishing man because angels are trying to bone down those daughters.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons  "and those Angels were the sons of God" came in to the daughters of mankind "humans", and they bore children to them  "A race of half man- half demon demi-god super powered mutant people". Those were the mighty men "demi-god giants super mutants" who were of old, men  "demi-god giants super mutants" of renown.

None of that makes any sense, Its sensational for sure, but its not theologically consistent So, what would be? Lets go back to that Job verse, what ARE the sons of God? 

 Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.

We established from Hebrews and from the Messiah in Matthew that its not speaking of Craig the adopted Angel of God or Angels, so what DOES this mean that sons of God came to present themselves. 

Deuteronomy 16:16
“Three times a year all your males shall appear before the LORD your God at the place which He chooses: at the Feast of Unleavened Bread, at the Feast of Weeks, and at the Feast of Booths; and they are not to appear before the LORD empty-handed.

This puts that Job verse in context of men having to appear before God, it doesn't say anything about Angels. We have no verses calling Angels sons of God- but we do have verse calling MEN God's sons

Romans 8:14
For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons and daughters of God.

How can a demon/ fallen angel of God that was kicked out heaven be listed as "following the Spirit of God"

Luke 6:35
But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.

John 1:12-13
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 11:52
and not for the nation only, but in order that He might also gather together into one the children of God who are scattered abroad.

The righteous are the ones that are followers of God- they are called sons. 

 Gen 4 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is too great to endure! 14 Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and I will be hidden from Your face, and I will be a wanderer and a drifter on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.

Cain, after being one who fell his brother, an attacker had a bunch of daughters.  Note that Cain can't be called a son of God anymore, He's murdered his bro. And Cain's sons aren't called sons of God because they're murderers too 

Gen 4
 Lamech said to his wives,
“Adah and Zillah,
Listen to my voice,
You wives of Lamech,
Pay attention to my words,
For I have killed a man for wounding me;
And a boy for striking me!

So in the chapters you see two differing groups of people. Cains group - who are not sons of God - not obediant- murderers who HAVE A BUNCH OF DAUGHTERS.
- A NEPHLEM :
נְפִיל nᵉphîyl, nef-eel'; or נְפִל nᵉphil; from H5307; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:—giant.

Not a fallen Angel, but a Bully or Tyrant 

If you look at Gen 5 it starts out from God- with no mention of Cain in the genealogy

1¶This is the book of the generations of Adam. On the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.

Contrary to 4 being about Cain being hidden from God's face

Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and I will be hidden from Your face, and I will be a wanderer and a drifter on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

Righteous lineage- sons of God from Adam
Unrighteous lineage- many daughters and worldliness and murder and not righteous- hidden from Gods face

Now, lets read it again in context 

• Now it came about, when mankind began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,

Mankind is multiplying and daughters are born from the men 

•  2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.

The genealogy of the righteous lineage that is obedient, saw that the worldly and sinful decedents of  mankind were attractive- some of those guys even taking two wives, multiple wives have been an issue for many Israelites- look at Solomon and David 

• 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.”

God gets upset about these righteous men being corrupted away by the worldly women which has been an issue with Israel - quite literally since the beginning of time here

• 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

The Nephilim were also on the earth in those days and after those days - Nephilim being a feller/bully/tyrant- AS IN ONE WHO CUTS DOWN HIS BRETHERINE IN HIS LIFE. The reference to Orion is that it is the constellation of the HUNTER- As in, HUNTER OF MEN like Cain and like Lamech, FELLERS/REBELS/APOSTATES - branching away from the ways of righteous

This is explained in Gen 6:5 

  Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually.

God wasn't grieved that fallen demons created a half race of celestial people... God was grieved that even the righteous hearts could be corrupted to wickedness. All the people were choosing wicked living except Noah. 

 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

Not because he was the only one without a demonic genetic code or some sort of demon man hybrid, but something less sensational and far less scandalous... he loved God and God loved him back. 

Look at the issue at hand with these Nephilim 

11 Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 And God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for humanity had corrupted its way upon the earth.

HUMANITY HAD CORRUPTED ITS WAY, NOT DEMONS, NOT FALLEN ANGELS FROM A TEXT TAHT DOESN'T EVEN MENTION ANGELS

Mankind was choosing sin instead of God- it was choosing the way of the tyrant, the bully, the murderer.. It was full of murderers. 

 Then God said to Noah, “The end of humanity has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of people; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.

HE says nothing about a race of hybrid demon people. Do we believe that these Half angels survived the flood? Does that make any sense that God saw a race of demon people so He flooded the earth in order to allow MORE demon people hybrids to be made right away? 

Or... is it more to the point that there was a culture of dominance and killing the weaker and smaller, felling those that displeased you. Being a bully, A tyrant., and when the earth began to repopulate this sort of tribal savagry took place again.