Friday, August 24, 2018

Not Yet Mr. 70 A.D. Guy


The other day I was in a conversation with a Preterist that stated that the Torah is not to be followed due to his statement that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70ad. Citing Luke 21 he says “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it, 22 for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written.
his stance is that when the Savior states in Matthew 5:17-19 that the Law of God is to be followed until heaven and earth pass away, that heaven and earth don't really mean heaven and earth and that the text merely means until "all is fulfilled" which... citing the passage in Luke 21, he means is 70A.D. since Jerusalem was sacked in 70.A.d.

 Here are a few problems with that idea of "everything fulfilled" idea that they're shoehorning into theology.... Not everything HAS been fulfilled. When you read Revelation which was written shortly after the A.D sack of Jersualem you see a lot of stuff about the seals and what have you. It's easy to dismiss them as some weird mystical fever dream and not literal events and then you can ascribe whatever meaning to them you want... except for the fact that Zechariah seems to give the same accounting for the events (same or really really close similarities that are enough for me)


Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. - Zech 14
I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.- Rev 6


Hasn't happened yet.



On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. It will be a unique day—a day known only to the Lordwith no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light- Zech 14
I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood;- rev 6
 The fourth angel sounded, and a third of the sun and a third of the moon and a third of the stars were struck, so that a third of them would be darkened and the day would not shine for a third of it, and the night in the same way. rev 8




Hasn't happened yet.

This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. 13 On that day people will be stricken by the Lord with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another. 14 Judah too will fight at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected—great quantities of gold and silver and clothing. 15 A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps- Zech 14
When the Lamb broke the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come” I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth.- Rev 6




Hasn't happened in this specific context yet.



 I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. 14 The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; 16 and they *said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”- rev 6
On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.- Zech 14



Nope,  Not yet.


 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.- Zech 14
They will hunger no longer, nor thirst anymore; nor will the sun beat down on them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd, and will guide them to springs of the water of life; and God will wipe every tear from their eyes- rev 7 


No, that one hasn't reach its full fullness yet... so Preterist guy I think is wrong in his take that Luke 21:22 was in reference to the event in 70 A.D.  I think, and I fully admit I could be wrong on this, but I think the horses spoken of in this passage (which hasn't happened yet):



20 On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord Almighty.- Zech 14


....Are (maybe) the Horses mentioned in Revelation. (maybe not, but possibly)


 I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer. And another, a red horse, went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth, and that men would slay one another; and a great sword was given to him When He broke the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, “Come” I looked, and behold, a black horse; and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth.

....which... you know... hasn't happened yet.

Hebrews 4 = Ezekiel 20

 Ezekiel 20: 8-24Then I resolved to pour out My wrath on them, to accomplish My anger against them in the midst of the land of Egypt. 9 But ...